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Omaha Steve

(99,628 posts)
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 08:58 PM Sep 2015

Seattle considers letting Uber and Lyft drivers join union

Source: Fortune

by Claire Zillman

A first-of-its-kind bill could provide a workaround to a federal law that doesn’t protect Uber and Lyft drivers’ collective bargaining rights.

While ride-sharing platforms are facing litigation in California that challenges their drivers’ designation as independent contractors, lawmakers in Seattle are considering legislation that could upend Uber and Lyft’s business models in an entirely different way.

On Wednesday, the Seattle City Council will hold a hearing for a bill recently proposed by Councilman Michael O’Brien that would give individuals who drive with taxi and for-hire companies, along with ride-sharing apps like Uber and Lyft, a pathway to unionization. O’Brien formally introduced the measure on Tuesday.

The bill—which is considered first-of-its-kind—acknowledges Uber and Lyft drivers’ status as independent contractors and seeks to allow them to collectively bargain with the companies to which they provide services. The National Labor Relations Act doesn’t protect independent contractors’ right to bargain directly with the companies they’re contracted to; such workers can only try to influence how they are regulated.

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Read more: http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/seattle-uber-lyft-union/

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Seattle considers letting Uber and Lyft drivers join union (Original Post) Omaha Steve Sep 2015 OP
Great. If Uber is what it takes to get taxi companies unionized, all the better Recursion Sep 2015 #1
uber and lyft = the new day laborer racket nt msongs Sep 2015 #2
Better for the drivers than taxi companies though Recursion Sep 2015 #5
This is an attempt to keep these drivers from unionizing happyslug Sep 2015 #3
The taxi drivers are contractors too Recursion Sep 2015 #4

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Better for the drivers than taxi companies though
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:17 AM
Sep 2015

I still have no idea how medallion owners have managed to drum up so much astroturf for themselves.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
3. This is an attempt to keep these drivers from unionizing
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:03 PM
Sep 2015

Federal Law covers who can unionize in private companies (States have control over their own employees in regard to Unionization, but have almost no say in private companies unionization).

This bill says that under Seattle law, independent contractors can form a "Union" but it is NOT a union as that is understood under Federal or State law. In fact I can say it is a restraint on trade and thus a violation of the Federal Sherman Anti-Trust Act UNLESS it fits under the exception to that act.

People forget that when the Sherman Anti-Trust Act was passed in 1890, one of its targets were unions. Unions managed to get an exception to the Sherman Anti-Trust act in 1914 when the Clayton Anti-Trust Act was passed. It is codifed in 15 USC section 17

The labor of a human being is not a commodity or article of commerce. Nothing contained in the antitrust laws shall be construed to forbid the existence and operation of labor, agricultural, or horticultural organizations, instituted for the purposes of mutual help, and not having capital stock or conducted for profit, or to forbid or restrain individual members of such organizations from lawfully carrying out the legitimate objects thereof; nor shall such organizations, or the members thereof, be held or construed to be illegal combinations or conspiracies in restraint of trade, under the antitrust laws.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/17


The problem here is these businesses do NOT supply the vehicles, thus something more then labor is involved and thus illegal under the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. Independent Contractors can NOT combine to set prices, that is a clear violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. On the other hand employees, who are providing primarily their labor, fit under the Clayton's act exception. The key is that LABOR not a vehicle is the prime thing such employees are providing, anything else must be minor at best.

What is an independnet Contractor:

http://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/whd/flsa/docs/contractors.asp

Thus this sounds like an attempt to delay unionization by providing a way to unionized that is clearly illegal. People will opt for that road, and sooner or later some court will rule the whole effort violates the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and thus illegal, thus delaying efforts at unionization three to five years.

Remember this proposal keeps the drivers as Independent Contractors and as such they do NOT come under the Clayton's Act exception to the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. It is only with a finding that the Drivers are providing mostly labor and thus employees do they come under the Clayton's Act exception to the Sherman Anti-Trust laws. Such a finding requires an appeal to the National Labor Relations Board, and Federal Law only permits EMPLOYEES to use that route. Thus this sounds like an attempt to delay unionization by providing a false road for such efforts that can only end with failure to unionized.

The better route is the route being done in California when the drivers call themselves employees and had the National Labor Relations Board rule on that matter and see how the courts handle that issue (i.e. are they employees or not).
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