Tech Company: No Indication That Clinton’s E-Mail Server Was ‘Wiped’
Source: Washington Post
By Rosalind S. Helderman, Tom Hamburger and Carol D. Leonnig September 12 at 5:01 PM
The company that managed Hillary Rodham Clinton’s private e-mail server said it has “no knowledge of the server being wiped,” the strongest indication to date that tens of thousands of e-mails that Clinton has said were deleted could be recovered.
Clinton and her advisers have said for months that she deleted her personal correspondence from her time as secretary of state, creating the impression that 31,000 e-mails were gone forever.
There is a distinction between e-mails’ being deleted and a server being wiped. If e-mails are deleted or moved from a server, they appear to no longer exist on the device. But experts say, depending on the condition of the server, underlying data can remain on the device, and the e-mails can often be restored.
To make the information go away permanently, a server must be wiped — a process that includes overwriting the underlying data with gibberish, possibly several times.
Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/tech-company-no-indication-that-clintons-e-mail-server-was-wiped/2015/09/12/10c8ce52-58c6-11e5-abe9-27d53f250b11_story.html
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WDIM
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yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I am sure that is the type of email they will find in the deleted file. Oh don't worry those work for 7.000 dollars a month emails will be in there. I am sure some 10 percent off khol's store will be in there.....now her deleting the coupon without using it might catch an eye or two...haha.
Kingofalldems
(38,485 posts)
riversedge
(70,305 posts)get to know her yoga routines in more details. I want to laugh but I also want to cry.
.....“I chose not to keep my private personal e-mails — e-mails about planning Chelsea’s wedding or my mother’s funeral arrangements, condolence notes to friends as well as yoga routines, family vacations, the other things you typically find in inboxes,” she said. “No one wants their personal e-mails made public, and I think most people understand that and respect that privacy.”
In a letter that month, Clinton’s attorney David Kendall told a House investigative committee that no e-mails from Clinton’s time as secretary “reside on the server or any backup systems associated with the server.”
In her Sept. 4 interview with MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell, Clinton said that the personal e-mails had been deleted after the painstaking process of weeding out the work-related correspondence that was sent to the State Department.
“I was asked, ‘Do you need to keep your personal e-mails?’ ” Clinton said. “And I said, ‘No, I don’t. You can delete those.’ And they were.”
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I am sure they will find something new to latch onto.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)of that would be so obvious. Try again.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)If you don't ask you'll never know.
Sometimes you learn more by not asking.
How to proceed depends on many things, the first being your ability to sense if the person you're asking is willing to give up the info. If they are not then the wittier person has the advantage, do you know what I mean?
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)You drop a conspiracy theory with nothing to even remotely back it up. LMGTFY http://bfy.tw/1ltw
It's almost IT child's play to see when hardware or OS changes were made.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)install a new drive, do a clean install of an os and server software. There are no 1) CT's, 2) forensic findings, and 3) don't mention that possibility as being the simplest and most comprehensive way to find no evidence of what COULD have been there.
Glad you caught on.
Lychee2
(405 posts)Then I would use Gutmann's 39 passes over the blank disc just to make them do a lot of work for nothing. But I'm vindictive. Not like Hillary. 
edgineered
(2,101 posts)maybe rework an old game like this one and drop it in there
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_War
They might think they had the whole thing figured out!
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)and yet you left no tracks. Silly you.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)so your 0111001001100101011100000110110001111001001000000110110101100001011010110110010101110011001000000110111001101111001000000110011001110101011000110110101101101001011011100110011100100000011100110110010101101110011100110110010100101110
See what I am saying?
edgineered
(2,101 posts)a perfect illustration of what having a discussion forum reduces (or raises) us to or from. Preconceived notions are deeply rooted, second only to unwillingness to abandon them. (except for present company, naturally)
Anyone who thinks that the support teams of today's politicians function on a level no higher than that of Nixon tape notoriety are living in the past. Nothing will be found, the reason doesn't matter, and the official statements will always leave some room for us to nit-pick.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)And then, Jim McDougal bought the loan in 1986, and then....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Controversy
On April 14, 1997, James McDougal was convicted of eighteen felony counts of fraud and conspiracy charges. The counts had to do with bad loans made by Madison in the late 1980s. As his savings and loan was federally-insured, the $68 million was paid by taxpayers. During the McDougal case, special prosecutor Kenneth Starr requested a reduced sentence for McDougal because of McDougal's assistance in the investigation.
He joined with his wife, from whom he was later divorced, and the Clintons to borrow $203,000 to buy land in the Ozark Mountains for vacation homes. When the development failed, he attempted to cover the losses with S&L funds. McDougal was prosecuted for fraud in 1984 and hired the Rose Law Firm which Hillary Clinton was a partner of to defend him. McDougal held a fundraiser that paid off Clinton's then campaign debt of $50,000. Madison cashier's checks accounted for $12,000 of the funds raised.
Jim McDougal was also found by federal regulators to have made fraudulent loans with regards to his Castle Grande project that was a real estate development about 10 minutes south of Little Rock. The project was a 1,050-acre (4.2 km2) lot where he hoped to build microbrewery, shopping center, a trailer park and other future projects in 1985. The sales price was $1.75 million. State regulations prohibited McDougal from investing more than 6% of his S&L assets in the project, so he put in $600,000 of Madison Guaranty money and had Seth Ward put in the difference, $1.15 million.[citation needed] The money Ward borrowed from Madison Guaranty was in the form of a "non-recourse loan".[citation needed]
more...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_McDougal
winstars
(4,220 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)Since the Snowden ordeal, I have become a firm believer in NOTHING is confidential any longer.....nothing!
Finding an "independent group" is impossible. Someone is going to spill the beans, copy personal data, or even make shit up to keep this witch hunt alive.
I am not a Clinton supporter, but these sons-of-bitches are out to keep the fox-snooze feed going until the day after the 2016 elections are over....just as in the big Ebola scare.
It's all politics! There is no such thing as an unbiased observer. I have really lost count of what any of this even is supposed to mean. I can only put myself in her place, and if I had to use my work email account for EVERY email, personal and business...that's one thing. But if I was able to have my own account for sending emails to my family, friends, miscellaneous recipients; then I would do so and would in NO WAY want to share my personal emails with anyone, for no reason!
This is all just bull shit for political reasons, and political reasons alone!
would you list emails that discussed using the State Department to pressure the Haitian government to keep slave wages for the benefit of donors to the Clinton Foundation as "personal," or "business?"
For your edification:
The foundation is largely an American creation. No doubt the accumulation of vast wealth was one reason for its rise; another-at least in the days when Carnegie, Rockefeller, and others perpetuated their names through their now world famous bequests-was unquestionably a desire of wealthy and successful men to purge their consciences before God and man and to justify the acquisitive society which had enabled them to accumulate enormous riches by leaving a vast proportion of their wealth for the benefit of mankind.6 But in recent years these reasons for the earlier foundations have become less important, and the incorporated foundation or trust has become predominantly a business device, a paramount instrument in the struggle between the demands of the modern Welfare State and the wish of the individual entrepreneur to perpetuate his fortune and his name. The greatest and most influential of the foundations (Ford, Rockefeller, Carnegie) are the creations of individuals or families, but the large foundations of the future will increasingly be the creations of corporations. The desires to give and to perpetuate the name of the individual or corporate donor are undoubtedly still important motivations, but the immense growth in the number and size of foundations in recent years7 suggests that business considerations play an increasing role. By either bequeathing or giving during his lifetime a proportion of his estate to a permanent institution established for officially recognized charitable purposes, the donor, usually the controller of an industrial or business empire,8 achieves a number of purposes.9 In the United States gifts to such organizations are exempt from gift taxes, and bequests to them are deductible for estate tax purposes. The organizations themselves are normally exempt from income tax, property tax, and other taxes. A charitable gift intervivos is an allowable deduction from the taxable income of the donor.10 The absence of the latter privilege in English law may be one reason why incorporated charities are not so widespread in Britain (apart, of course, from the vastly greater capital wealth of United States business). Otherwise, motivations for the establishment of charitable companies are very similar." The arithmetics of these benefits vary from year to year and are, of course, subject to legislative changes. Unless, however, there were to be a fundamental change in legislation in regard to charitable gifts,12 the advantages of transferring both capital and annual income away from the personal estate of a taxpayer in the high income brackets or away from a corporation are very considerable.13 But in the age of the managerial revolution and the Welfare State, a motive at least equal to that of providing a suitable mechanism for philanthropy and a tax free reservoir for an otherwise highly taxable income is the power which the foundation gives to the controller of a business or industry to perpetuate his control.14
Friedmann, W. G. (1957). Corporate power, government by private groups, and the law. Columbia Law Review, 57(2), 155-186.
http://www.clintonfoundation.org/main/our-work/by-initiative/clinton-foundation-in-haiti/about.html
The Clinton Foundation has been actively engaged in Haiti since 2009, focusing on economic diversification, private sector investment and job creation in order to create long-term, sustainable economic development. After the devastating earthquake in 2010, President Clinton formed the Clinton Foundation Haiti Fund and raised $16.4 million from individual donors for immediate earthquake relief efforts. Since 2010, the Clinton Foundation has raised a total of $34 million for Haiti, including relief funds as well as projects focused on restoring Haiti's communities, sustainable development, education and capacity building. In 2012, the Clinton Foundation concentrated on creating sustainable economic growth in the four priority sectors of energy, tourism, agriculture, and apparel/manufacturing, working to bring new investors, develop and support local organizations and businesses, and create access to new markets. The Clinton Foundation also continued working to support government efforts to improve Haiti’s business environment and supported programs in education and capacity building.
http://www.haiti-liberte.com/archives/volume4-47/Washington%20Backed%20Famous.asp
The U.S. Embassy in Haiti worked closely with factory owners contracted by Levi’s, Hanes, and Fruit of the Loom to aggressively block a paltry minimum wage increase for Haitian assembly zone workers, the lowest paid in the hemisphere, according to secret State Department cables.
The factory owners refused to pay 62 cents an hour, or $5 per eight-hour day, as a measure unanimously passed by the Haitian parliament in June 2009 would have mandated. Behind the scenes, the factory owners had the vigorous backing of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) and the U.S. Embassy, show secret U.S. Embassy cables provided to Haïti Liberté by the transparency-advocacy group WikiLeaks.
The minimum daily wage had been 70 gourdes or $1.75 a day.
The factory owners told the Haitian parliament that they were willing to give workers a mere 9 cents an hour pay increase to 31 cents an hour – 100 gourdes daily – to make T-shirts, bras and underwear for U.S. clothing giants like Dockers and Nautica.
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/10/17/headlines#10179
A new report by the Worker Rights Consortium has found the majority of workers in Haiti’s garment industry are being denied nearly a third of the wages they are legally owed due to widespread wage theft. The new evidence builds on an earlier report that found every single one of Haiti’s export garment factories was illegally shortchanging workers. Workers in Haiti make clothes for U.S. retailers including Gap, Target, Kohl’s, Levi’s and Wal-Mart. The report highlighted abuses at the Caracol Industrial Park, a new factory complex heavily subsidized by the U.S. State Department, the Inter-American Development Bank and the Clinton Foundation and touted as a key part of Haiti’s post-earthquake recovery. The report found that, on average, workers at the complex are paid 34 percent less than the law requires. Haiti’s minimum wage for garment workers is between 60 and 90 cents an hour. More than three-quarters of workers interviewed for the report said they could not afford three meals a day.
https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/10/16-4
Haiti's Caracol Industrial Park—the U.S. State Department and Clinton Foundation pet project to deliver aid and reconstruction to earthquake-ravaged Haiti in the form of private investment—is systematically stealing its garment workers' wages, paying them 34 percent less than minimum wage set by federal law, a breaking report from the Worker Rights Consortium reveals.
Critics charge that poverty wages illustrate the deep flaws with corporate models of so-called aid. "The failure of the Caracol Industrial Park to comply with minimum wage laws is a stain on the U.S.'s post-earthquake investments in Haiti and calls into question the sustainability and effectiveness of relying on the garment industry to lead Haiti's reconstruction," said Jake Johnston of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in an interview with Common Dreams.
Caracol is just one of five garment factories profiled in this damning report, released publicly on Wednesday, which finds that "the majority of Haitian garment workers are being denied nearly a third of the wages they are legally due as a result of the factories’ theft of their income." This is due to systematic employer cheating on piece-work and overtime, as well as failure to pay employees for hours worked.
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Financers included the Inter-American Development Bank, the U.S. State Department, and the Clinton Foundation, who invested a total of $224 million with promises to uphold high labor standards. Its anchor tenant is the Korean S&H Global factory, which sells garments to Walmart, Target, Kohl's, and Old Navy, according to the report.
The Republicans know Hillary did this, and they know she's looking untrustworthy by hiding it.
The Benghazi crap is for the moronic patriots; can't ruin the narrative that the Clintons are Communists who hate capitalism with the truth that they exploit poor black people in Third World countries.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)to send it through a personal account or through the state.gov account. And employees who work long hours like Hillary often have to send personal emails during the day.
But no one's looking over their shoulders as they decide whether to send a certain email through their personal account or their .gov account.
The only difference with Hillary is that she made the decision AFTER she sent the email rather than BEFORE. Why would the trustworthiness of the decision have anything to do with whether she made it before sending an email or afterwards?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)RW media has been harping on this for months. Where did the wiping story originate?
Such bullshit this whole thing has become.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)That would be when Clinton's attorney, David Kendall, said all emails on the server had been deleted. That was March 27, 2015.
Keilar, who interviewed Clinton on July 7, said Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union that she was "surprised" Clinton "didn’t show a little more contrition" about her use of a private email account and seemed a bit irked by Clinton’s spin that she "never had a subpoena." (She did, though Keilar and Clinton interpreted the point differently.)
"What the campaign will say is I was asking her about facing a subpoena that she wiped her server. They’ll say that’s not true," Keilar said. "But the other thing is the campaign hasn't been clear about when she wiped her server of her work emails, so there's no way to even really completely fact-check what she's saying, because they don't want to get into all of the details of those things."
We were curious about Keilar’s claim that Clinton "hasn’t been clear" about when she wiped her server clean.
PunditFact rates that claim Mostly True.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jul/12/punditfact-when-did-hillary-clinton-delete-her-ema/
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Its still not clear where the wiping story started.
wolfie001
(2,268 posts)Of course, she hit the nail on the head! I guess this'll continue until she wins the nomination and the GE. Wingnuts and freepers never learn.
Lychee2
(405 posts)The company hasn't actually examined the disk to see if it's been wiped. All they know is that there is nothing in their records to show that it was wiped.
SnakeEyes
(1,407 posts)Also hoping that somehow she did something wrong. Clears the path for Sanders.