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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:49 AM Sep 2015

Bernie Sanders Demands Trump Apologize To Obama For Muslim Question

Source: TPM

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) chastised fellow presidential candidate Donald Trump on Friday for allowing a man to incorrectly claim that President Obama is a Muslim. Sanders took to Twitter to demand the GOP real estate mogul apologize, and said:
“This nonsense has got to end.”

Trump must apologize to the president and American people for continuing the lie that the president is not an American and not a Christian.
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/644865939725504512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


Sanders’ comments were a response to an incident on Thursday at a town hall event in New Hampshire, where a man claimed that Obama was a Muslim who was not born in America. The voter then asked Trump about the “problem” of Muslims in America.

“We have training camps growing where they want to kill us,” the man said. “When can we get rid of them?"

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sanders-trump-xenophobia-racism



Trump must apologize to the president and American people for continuing the lie that the president is not an American and not a Christian.

This nonsense has got to end.

Let’s stop the racism. Let’s stop the xenophobia.


https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/644865939725504512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Bernie Sanders Demands Trump Apologize To Obama For Muslim Question (Original Post) cal04 Sep 2015 OP
Finally! ReactFlux Sep 2015 #1
It really sadden me that so many of my fellow citizens remain so damn ignorant. olegramps Sep 2015 #22
I'm constantly impressed by Sanders. tabasco Sep 2015 #2
America is beyond ready too... Obama demonstrated that!The real question is... ReactFlux Sep 2015 #3
Or allow an accurate count of the votes? Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #51
This ^^^ pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #55
Good point ReactFlux Sep 2015 #57
+1 a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #23
So am I. smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #32
Dear Mr Trump TNNurse Sep 2015 #4
I Never Watch Morning Jerk So I'm Wondering If The Bobbsey Twins & Co Commented On Trump''s.... global1 Sep 2015 #5
I watch the first 15 minutes leftynyc Sep 2015 #9
Good for him! Reminds me of when he called out a Congressman for saying "homos" RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #6
Wow!! He has been advocating for us for a long time. kracer20 Sep 2015 #38
Birtherism Is Trump's Claim To Fame Yallow Sep 2015 #7
^^^This!^^^ SoapBox Sep 2015 #12
Too bad fo him he can't claim to have invented it... Scootaloo Sep 2015 #45
K&R jwirr Sep 2015 #8
Get used to it: Trump will NOT apologize Jarqui Sep 2015 #10
Very true. christx30 Sep 2015 #30
True.... daleanime Sep 2015 #34
I done really Trump to apologize. I want him to get excoriated for saying this shit. Bugenhagen Sep 2015 #42
I hope T-rump responds in his usual way so jomin41 Sep 2015 #11
Most Republicans Third Doctor Sep 2015 #13
"Trump is what ALL Republicans sound like, after four drinks." Paladin Sep 2015 #20
wow, that really is dead on NewJeffCT Sep 2015 #35
+1 daleanime Sep 2015 #36
Good for Bernie! hamsterjill Sep 2015 #14
Xenophobia and racism is Trumps central message. gordianot Sep 2015 #15
Xenophobia and racism ... staggerleem Sep 2015 #19
Note the Fear that backgrounds the question: maxsolomon Sep 2015 #16
Astute observation Fairgo Sep 2015 #40
Begin? Hydra Sep 2015 #46
While that is great angrychair Sep 2015 #17
K & R L0oniX Sep 2015 #18
Good! Shame the media into doing their jobs MoveIt Sep 2015 #21
And shame all the Repub candidates for not demanding Trump apologize to Obama. stuffmatters Sep 2015 #44
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #24
Ain't gonna happen..... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #25
I don't think Trump believes it TexasBushwhacker Sep 2015 #60
Okay, maybe he just found himself in the "never admit you are wrong" trap.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #64
Well he has said he never apologizes because TexasBushwhacker Sep 2015 #65
He's also said people shouldn't feel bad and it's not their fault they aren't as brilliant as him. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #66
If I had the money TexasBushwhacker Sep 2015 #67
The guy was probably a Trump plant JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2015 #26
I wish we had a Muslim president. randys1 Sep 2015 #27
To Épater la bourgeoisie, sure maxsolomon Sep 2015 #43
I'm sure Trump will get right on that request jberryhill Sep 2015 #28
If Trump is going to be successful, he's going to have to move away from the Tea Party bull... C Moon Sep 2015 #29
Bravo, Sen. Sanders! Fritz Walter Sep 2015 #31
So, I guess we can conclude Mr Sanders has more guts than Mr Obama. malthaussen Sep 2015 #33
T-rump will demand Sanders apologize IDemo Sep 2015 #37
Honesty is so refreshing! Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #39
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #41
OK, Bernie, you just pulled me off the fence jaysunb Sep 2015 #47
How incredibly brave ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #48
Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sheshe2 Sep 2015 #49
I didn't realize West was running for President marym625 Sep 2015 #52
Any thoughts on whether our President should apologize MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #54
Thanks for the predictable ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #62
Perhaps you could actually read my post MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #68
I did ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #69
So, your reply to the OP marym625 Sep 2015 #70
I've rarely, if ever, seen a post MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #71
They seem to be more prevalent of late marym625 Sep 2015 #72
So Sanders has to bring up a months old remark, that even Obama ignored? riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #58
It was a rhetorical question. NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #59
Why would Bernie bring up West's feud with Obama at all? It's ridiculous riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #61
As I said, it was a rhetorical question. NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #63
As nutty as McCain is sometimes, and as virulently as I PatrickforO Sep 2015 #50
FWIW, I thought that was a set up. McCain got so much free advertising because of that and, merrily Sep 2015 #56
Forget that world wide wally Sep 2015 #53
Trump camp adopts “keep hope alive” as new slogan Victor1212 Sep 2015 #73
 

ReactFlux

(62 posts)
1. Finally!
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:50 AM
Sep 2015

Adult's are speaking up on this cesspool that has become the norm in politics, enabled and fostered by the total corruption of our corporate controlled M$M.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
2. I'm constantly impressed by Sanders.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:52 AM
Sep 2015

I can only hope that America is still decent enough to elect a man like him.

 

ReactFlux

(62 posts)
3. America is beyond ready too... Obama demonstrated that!The real question is...
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:55 AM
Sep 2015

Will the evil elite allow him to live past the primaries?

 

ReactFlux

(62 posts)
57. Good point
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 06:48 PM
Sep 2015

Less messy that way, and something we should be able to partner with the republicans on though (ran and file) as they seem to be concerned with voter fraud issue.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
32. So am I.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:27 PM
Sep 2015

He continues to gain credibility as far as I am concerned. I only hope the American public outgrows its "stupid coma" and comes to their senses before the election.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
4. Dear Mr Trump
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:04 AM
Sep 2015

Just because " a lot of people are saying it", does not make it true.

You and your followers are not very smart or educated or even decent Americans.

global1

(25,241 posts)
5. I Never Watch Morning Jerk So I'm Wondering If The Bobbsey Twins & Co Commented On Trump''s....
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:14 AM
Sep 2015

handling or lack thereof of this question at his town hall. Are they sticking up for Trump or are they appalled as well?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
9. I watch the first 15 minutes
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:25 AM
Sep 2015

and then have to leave to catch the train but what I saw them doing was downplaying it. They did bring up (and showed) the clip where Sen McCain handled the same thing with class and dignity but still can't bring themselves to blast the donald. They know he means ratings and they want him on their show.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
6. Good for him! Reminds me of when he called out a Congressman for saying "homos"
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:18 AM
Sep 2015

Bernie is calling "bullshit" on this kind of crap and reclaiming the moral high ground

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
12. ^^^This!^^^
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:50 AM
Sep 2015

It's the Palin TeaBagger crowd...I don't get why more don't call him out for his following of these Domestic Teahadists.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
10. Get used to it: Trump will NOT apologize
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:28 AM
Sep 2015

He's narcissistic - kind of a sociopath

He's not apologizing to anyone because from his perch, we should bow down and thank God Trump exists, etc

I see Hannity is interviewing him tonight. He should be right at home: one racist chatting with another

christx30

(6,241 posts)
30. Very true.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:19 PM
Sep 2015

Anyone offended by what Trump said isn't going to vote for him either way. And the reverse is true.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
34. True....
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:49 PM
Sep 2015

But I do find myself interested in what his response will be. Defining tRump's position may solidify his base, but should also limit his appeal.

Bugenhagen

(151 posts)
42. I done really Trump to apologize. I want him to get excoriated for saying this shit.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:52 PM
Sep 2015

I kind of like hating Trump. I wish mainstream America were better than it is though. I wish people who voice this crap would get stomped down by everyone else, instead of then mostly just ignoring it.

Third Doctor

(1,574 posts)
13. Most Republicans
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:59 AM
Sep 2015

still believe this crap after all of these years. It's pathetic because they are pathetic. The GOP is truly the stupid party.

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
20. "Trump is what ALL Republicans sound like, after four drinks."
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:49 PM
Sep 2015

Tip of the hat to this morning's Stephanie Miller Show, for that dead solid perfect observation.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
35. wow, that really is dead on
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:49 PM
Sep 2015

Other than the Teabaggers, most Republicans keep their true racial feelings under wraps most of the time. With Obama in the White House and now Trump as their frontrunner, it's like he is the reflection of what they really want to do, but need those 4 drinks to get up the courage.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
14. Good for Bernie!
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:05 PM
Sep 2015

More politicians need to stand up to stupid shit like this. I'm glad that Bernie Sanders is bringing attention to this!

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
15. Xenophobia and racism is Trumps central message.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:22 PM
Sep 2015

Trumps demeanor is gutter politics. Just remember Trump knows people who are exceptions as long as you meet Mr. Trumps standard who seems to act as if this is a huge reality show.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
16. Note the Fear that backgrounds the question:
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:25 PM
Sep 2015

“We have training camps growing where they want to kill us,” the man said. “When can we get rid of them?"

So afraid. There's always going to be people who's main political motivation is their fear. That's why they cling to their guns and religion.

Pitiful.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
40. Astute observation
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:18 PM
Sep 2015

As I think about the fear behind the "problem", I begin to dread the logical "solution".

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
46. Begin?
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 08:21 PM
Sep 2015

We've been in the quiet process of it for decades. I'm kinda surprised it hasn't boiled over to complete holy war yet.

angrychair

(8,694 posts)
17. While that is great
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:32 PM
Sep 2015

The "not born in America" thing is silly for many reasons and has been talked to death for years now and completely absurd.
Second, it comes across that it's somehow important to note he is a Xian and not a Muslim, as if the negative is the "Muslim" part. Have to be careful we are clear about our meaning and intent.
To be clear on the subject matter though, I find any adherance and worship of sky faries and other mythological creatures to be a negative, not a positive. That being said, I just wanted to draw attention that in our rush to debunk these idiots we don't come off as racist or xenophobic ourselves.

 

MoveIt

(399 posts)
21. Good! Shame the media into doing their jobs
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:53 PM
Sep 2015

They sign off on the racism, everyone who reports on Trump without calling out the reaction to it.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
44. And shame all the Repub candidates for not demanding Trump apologize to Obama.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:29 PM
Sep 2015

And to all Muslims too. Both Christian Obama and Muslim Americans were caught in this Trumpites particular paranoid hate net.

Not one Republican candidate for president, not one Repub politician (including the once decent McCain under similar circumstances) has called Trump out for his racist, xenophobic endorsement of that hateful loon supporter. Just like no Repub ever denounced Trump's hate campaign when those two Trumpites brutalized a homeless immigrant last month.






 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
25. Ain't gonna happen.....
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:08 PM
Sep 2015

In fact, Trump is more likely to appear on CNN and use the "I don't know" and "A lot of people say" dodge to start the whole thing over again from scratch.

Hell,....TRUMP believes Obama wasn't born in the United States and he actually thinks his money means that his belief has more validity than other people's facts. Typical of someone who surrounds himself with yes men.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,173 posts)
60. I don't think Trump believes it
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 09:57 PM
Sep 2015

but I do think he knows his base is extremely racist and he dances the birther dance to please them.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
64. Okay, maybe he just found himself in the "never admit you are wrong" trap....
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 10:46 PM
Sep 2015

But I really believe he's one of those "perception is reality" types who believes facts are subjective. It's classic Orwellian thinking where there are no actual FACTS and reality is based on what is believed. So if everyone agrees that Obama was born in Kenya and saying otherwise will fail you in school than it doesn't MATTER anymore where he was actually born.

This is common thinking with people who have reinvented their own past.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,173 posts)
67. If I had the money
Sun Sep 20, 2015, 10:41 AM
Sep 2015

I'd take out a full page ad showing all the characteristics of PSYCHOPATHS and how Trump qualifies almost all of them.

But I don't have the money and his fans don't read the paper anyway.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
26. The guy was probably a Trump plant
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:10 PM
Sep 2015

so no way will Trump apologize, if he was actually capable of apology.

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
29. If Trump is going to be successful, he's going to have to move away from the Tea Party bull...
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:19 PM
Sep 2015

I don't think he'll be able to, because he'll have to listen to campaign advisers—and I'm guessing he's not a good listener.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
31. Bravo, Sen. Sanders!
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:27 PM
Sep 2015

Whether tRump apologizes or not, it needs to be said. And by a large chorus of voices.

And I'm going to stop recycling aluminum if it's just going to end up as headgear for these troglodytes.

malthaussen

(17,186 posts)
33. So, I guess we can conclude Mr Sanders has more guts than Mr Obama.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:45 PM
Sep 2015

I do agree, it is about time somebody called these thugs out on their thuggery.

-- Mal

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
37. T-rump will demand Sanders apologize
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:52 PM
Sep 2015

For suggesting the curtailment of free speech and interfering with a Republican. Wait for it.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
48. How incredibly brave ...
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:38 PM
Sep 2015

... of Bernie to "demand" an apology that he knows will never happen.

But as suggested by a DUer who can't post here, I will ask the question for her: When will Bernie demand that Cornel West apologize to Obama for calling him a "niggerized president"?

THAT would actually take guts - so I wouldn't expect it to happen anytime soon.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
52. I didn't realize West was running for President
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:39 AM
Sep 2015

Last edited Sat Sep 19, 2015, 11:21 AM - Edit history (1)

Big difference in perpetuating a lie and someone having an opinion on what someone in office has done or not done.

I think it was way over the line, what West said, but I can also tell the difference between fact and opinion.

On Edit. As Bluenorthwest has been saying for years now, where's our apology? Where's the demand from President Obama for his words and his choices of people? Or do only certain marginalized people matter?

Bluenorthwest post

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
54. Any thoughts on whether our President should apologize
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 02:00 AM
Sep 2015

for his administration accusing the Left of having "@#$&ing retarded" ideas? Or for the median income of black families dropping 10% during his presidency, while cash was shoveled with both hands to the wealthiest Americans?

Incidentally, while "niggerized" was a poor choice of words due to its tendency to shock some people, it does have a specific meaning, and West is as well-suited to use it properly as is anyone.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
62. Thanks for the predictable ...
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 10:01 PM
Sep 2015

.... "yeah, but what about what the other guy said" response.

As I used to tell my daughter, when your only excuse for you poor behaviour is to tell me that your brother's behaviour is worse, you've already lost the argument.

But no worries. I'm sure BS aligning himself with West, who is widely despised by the AA demographic that Bernie can't get any traction with, will work out extremely well.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
70. So, your reply to the OP
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 12:07 AM
Sep 2015

Would fall into the category of "the other guy's behavior is worse. By the logic in your reply here, you lost as soon as you hit "post my reply" to the OP.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
71. I've rarely, if ever, seen a post
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 12:10 AM
Sep 2015

so saturated in Fail as hers. On so many levels.

It should be studied by science.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
58. So Sanders has to bring up a months old remark, that even Obama ignored?
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 07:59 PM
Sep 2015

in order to "have guts"?

See this is where folks lose me and aren't credible - they're going to insist Sanders get in the middle of West's feud with Obama, something even Obama isn't willing to engage. That's bullshit.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
59. It was a rhetorical question.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 08:47 PM
Sep 2015

Obviously Bernie is not going to question the remarks, as disgusting as they may have been, of someone who he has chosen to ally himself with.

The real question here would be: What was BS thinking when, given his failure to gain any traction with the AA demographic whose support he desperately needs, he decided that a man who is despised by the vast majority of that key group would be a good idea?

And BTW, I seriously doubt that Obama "ignored" West's remarks. He's just too classy to have made an issue of them, or respond to them.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
61. Why would Bernie bring up West's feud with Obama at all? It's ridiculous
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 09:59 PM
Sep 2015

to equate his "courage" with that.

As for your second "real" question, well that's a complete word salad. I have no idea what you're asking.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
63. As I said, it was a rhetorical question.
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 10:08 PM
Sep 2015

But I'm sure BS's allying himself with West will do wonders for his support among AAs who find West's remarks disgusting, and his tirades against Obama - still widely respected and supported by the AA demographic - to be truly insulting.

Way to go, Bernie.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
50. As nutty as McCain is sometimes, and as virulently as I
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 01:08 AM
Sep 2015

disagree with him most of the time, I thought he showed class that one time when he was doing that town hall in 2008 and some lady lathered up by right wing talk show hate gave the same spiel. Remember?

McCain said, "No, Ma'am, he's not a Muslim. He's a good man, but we just disagree." Something like that.

Now we have the t-Rump and he doesn't even have the guts to correct the ignorant hate-rant. And it isn't even really Trump's total classlessness that bothers me, even though the man is completely devoid of class.

It is his followers. Now we must all ask the question if the Republican establishment, who clearly wants to get Trump out of the race, succeeds, what will his followers do?

Brown shirt, anyone?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
56. FWIW, I thought that was a set up. McCain got so much free advertising because of that and,
Sat Sep 19, 2015, 04:39 AM
Sep 2015

remember, somewhat to his credit, he was running on McCain Feingold, so a limited budget. (He did cheat some, with things like free rides on his wife's plane, but the DNC complained to the FEC and he had to repay the money.) And, as we see, he is still getting good p.r. from it.

He sounded rehearsed, the woman did not. . Maybe the questions from the audience were obtained in advance and McCain had the answers ready. Or maybe the campaign knew the question was bound to come up and he had his answer. In any event, I thought she was either authentic or a good actress, but he was not surprised by her question and had prepared the answer in advance. Obviously, it's only my gut feeling.

Victor1212

(3 posts)
73. Trump camp adopts “keep hope alive” as new slogan
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 06:49 PM
Sep 2015

Trump camp adopts “keep hope alive” as new slogan
… Says it captures silver spoon's appeal to those seeking to recreate themselves

The campaign of Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump announced Monday that it’s adopting “keep hope alive” as its new mantra.

The catchphrase previously served as the slogan for one-time Democratic presidential hopeful Jesse Jackson, who also unsuccessfully pursued the nation’s highest office in 1984 and 1988. It will complement the Trump team’s existing “Make America Great Again” catchphrase, rather than replace it, according to campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski.

“We feel like the new saying connects with our core supporters,’” said Lewandowski, who was tagged as Trump’s top political advisor after the departure of Roger Stone - the Reality TV personality’s longtime friend and advisor.

“Our polls indicate we do very well with Americans who think the truth is whatever they can convince others to believe,” Lewandowski said. “This new slogan speaks to their universal desire for a mulligan. Regardless of whether you’re a corporate life form embracing a new business name to escape the past – like say Comcast and Xfinity – or an individual who has made some mistakes like Ron Artest."

Artest, a former basketball star, adopted the name “Metta World Peace” after his role in a 2004 brawl between the Indiana Pacers and Detroit Pistons and their fans.

(Continued at http://www.cynicaltimes.org/articles/trump-camp-adopts-keep-hope-alive-as-new-slogan-327.htm)

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