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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:15 PM Sep 2015

Canadian military explored plan to fully integrate forces with U.S.

Source: CBC News

CBC News has learned that a Canadian military effort to formally create integrated forces with the United States for expeditionary operations included an even more ambitious option — a plan to fully integrate military forces, explored during a meeting with the top generals from the two countries.

The Canadian military efforts were ultimately shut down and refocused on improving interoperability between the forces.

Information provided by the Department of National Defence shows the Canada-U.S. Integrated Forces program was led at the highest levels, with then Chief of the Defence Staff Gen. Tom Lawson and the chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey (now retired), meeting on "several occasions" to hash out a plan that included an option for "fully integrated forces."

... Comments raise the possibility the plan was being pursued without the specific direction or approval of the Conservative government.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-military-integration-canada-us-1.3248594

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itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
1. Imagine the conspiracy nuts
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:27 PM
Sep 2015

"this will lead to the UN taking over our military and government, and our country"

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
3. Canada has been polluted by US right wing politicians.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:48 PM
Sep 2015

During the * days, teams of Rethugs went up and trained Canadian Conservatives. They have been sliding down an ugly path ever since. It is a laugh to think that Canada would want to pay the price we pay to our war profiteers to keep us in the business of war. They have other things to do with their money. Health care and bloated military don't fit in the same budget. And as we know in America it's pay to play!

OnlinePoker

(5,729 posts)
5. Tom Lawson was an ass
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:58 PM
Sep 2015

He's the former CDS who said about sexual harrassment in the military that "...men are “biologically wired” for such behaviour."

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
6. And what will Canada do when the combined force goes through the Northwest passage???
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 04:14 PM
Sep 2015

The Northwest Passage in Northern Canada is an area of dispute between the US and Canada. The US says it is an international waterway and anyone including the US can sail ships through those waters WITHOUT Canadian permission. Canada says it is an internal waterway and any ship must have Canadian permission to go through the Northwest Passage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Passage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Passage#International_waters_dispute

Thus how will Canada stop a US Navy move into the Northwest Passage, when what had been Canadian ships are involved? Is it a violation of Canadian Internal waters when a joint US-Canada ship enters the Northwest Passage without Canadian permission?

As to actual integration, Canada since WWII has basically followed US Military doctrine. Where weapons differ, it is more the result of US internal politics (Thus Canada adopted the German Leopard I tank during the 1960s, while the US adopted the M-60, where there is evidence the US Army itself preferred the Leopard I to the M60, but US domestic politics in Congress forbad the adoption of a "German" Tank. Another example was Canada's adoption of the FN FAL rifle in the 1950s, while the US adopted the M14, both were good rifles firing the 7.62 NATO round. Again strong evidence that the US wanted the FAL that Canada adopted, but ended up with the M14 when Congress was told the same machinery that made the M1 could be used to make the M14. This turned out to be false but it was enough for Congress to have the US Army adopt the M14 instead of the FAL).

Please note, Canada has been a source of Troops and Sailors for the US Military since the US Civil War. 50,000 Canadians joined the US military during Vietnam for example. Thus this is NOT that big a change.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
7. Good Gawd no !
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 04:34 PM
Sep 2015

Canada can't be so stupid, can they?
They need to keep their distance,
and sovereignty.

We may all wish to move their under a Trump Presidency.

bluedigger

(17,088 posts)
9. My favorite part of an exchange with CDF was their rum rations.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 05:11 PM
Sep 2015

Oh shit! First Sergeant said to keep that quiet.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
12. OMG. The RW conspiracy fears of a North American Union may be seeing its first steps.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 09:37 AM
Oct 2015


Debunking the North American Union Conspiracy Theory

The North American Union, an increasingly popular conspiracy theory about a group of shadowy international "elites" who are planning to "replace the United States" with a transnational government, is a manifestation of xenophobia that would do the John Birch Society proud.

There are several ways to answer that question. First, the NAU is an increasingly popular conspiracy theory about a group of shadowy and mostly nameless international "elites" who are planning to "replace the United States" -- in the words of Jerome Corsi, a key figure in the SwiftBoat Veterans for Truth project and a leading NAU conspiracist -- with a transnational government. The theory holds that the borders between Mexico, Canada and the United States are in the process of being erased, covertly, by a group of "globalists" whose ultimate goal is to replace national governments in D.C., Ottawa and Mexico City with a European-style political union and a bloated EU-style bureaucracy.

The North American Union story is an offspring of the John Birch Society right, with its attendant xenophobia and paranoia. It comes complete with a shadowy international cabal intent on stabbing decent, hard-working Americans in the back -- Dolchstoss! Articles and websites condemning the NAU flourish in that political space where right- and left-wing populism become indistinguishable, along with a dozen other fundamentally reactionary theories of what's really going on with our contemporary political economy.

The NAU story is a creature of the far right, and, as such, those who have "connected the dots" have done so according to their ideological preferences. The North American Union they've conjured up comes with the assumptions embraced by the coterie of wing-nuts who have promoted it.

Chief among them is World Net Daily, the "archconservative news site" responsible for such hard-hitting journalism as its recent exposé, "Soy is making kids 'gay'" (no, I'm not making that up). In addition to SwiftBoat vet Corsi, right-wing talk radio hosts like Sean Hannity and CNN's reliably nativist Lou Dobbs have featured stories on the imminent arrival of the NAU. Reactionary talker (and now CNN host) Glenn Beck lists it on his website as one of a dozen things that the un-named elites against whom he rails are using to stab good, hard-working Americans in the back.

http://www.alternet.org/story/54184/debunking_the_north_american_union_conspiracy_theory

I wonder if the far-right has been notified of this travesty of proposed international integration.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
14. Just what I've been saying for years. Harper is a Republican sock puppet. Plus the DOD headquarters
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 11:52 AM
Oct 2015

needs a house cleaning to get rid of the pencil necked wonks running our military

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