"This wasn’t an abortion": CNN forces anti-Planned Parenthood group to admit Fiorina was wrong

[riversedge]

Source: raw story






David Edwards

30 Sep 2015 at 10:20 ET


David Daleiden, the project lead Center for Medical Progress’ anti-Planned Parenthood campaign, admitted on Wednesday that an alleged fetus on a table that GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina described during a graphic anti-abortion rant was actually from a miscarriage.

During an interview on CNN, host Chris Cuomo asked Daleiden to verify Fiorina’s claim at a recent debate that she saw a video of “a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking.”

“Carly Fiorina was referencing a sequence in our video that shows footage of a born-alive infant from a late term abortion actually moving in the specimen pan,” he explained.

“But if you’re talking about organ harvesting and abortions and how terrible they are why would you use a stillborn fetus, which is not a function of an abortion?” Cuomo asked.
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“My point is context,” Cuomo shot back. “You’re saying, ‘what they do in abortions,’ that wasn’t an abortion. That’s my point.”





Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/this-wasnt-an-abortion-cnn-forces-anti-planned-parenthood-group-to-admit-fiorina-was-wrong/

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Watch the video below from CNN’s New Day, broadcast Sept. 30, 2015.





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[cindyperry2010]

1. lying assholes

[Angry Dragon]

2. it is the only thing they know

[Stuart G]

3. Yes, you are correct, and they have been doing it for years..about a lot.

[Gregorian]

4. Chances are these same people had a hardon for the Iraq invasion, which killed and maimed.

No outrage about that stuff. Just their little selfish ideology being foisted upon others, most of whom don't even share their sentiments.

These people are lying criminals, and shouldn't have as much of a voice in the media as those who are responsible citizens.

[Chakab]

5. Cuomo let that guy falsely claim that Planned Parenthood routinely does late term abortions

for the purpose of harvesting organs without challenging him.

I'm sorry, but that was a pretty shitty takedown.

[NBachers]

6. It doesn't matter. The big lie happened & was repeated over & over. This is the correction on page 9

The lie still walks, strong and bold. The correction dribbles out weak.

[Tansy_Gold]

7. This makes absolutely no sense. What am I missing?

Fiorina says she saw video of a live infant, heart beating, legs kicking.

Cuomo says it was a miscarriage/stillbirth.

Daleiden never clarifies which it was. He claims, somewhat disingenuously, that they're the same thing, the same type of fetus. Which of course they are not, but that's not the point.

The point is . . . . what did Fiorina see? Did she see a dead fetus, a miscarriage? If so, how were its legs moving? Did she lie about that?

Does Daleiden clarify that what Fiorina saw was an 18- or 19- or 20-week stillbirth, dead, non-moving? Or is he insisting she saw a live but aborted fetus?

Daleiden seems to be referring to an aborted but alive 18- or 19- or 20-week fetus, moving in a specimen pan, at the same time acknowledging that what Fiorina saw was a stillbirth.

I hate this bullshit. I wish people would just clarify.

[Demit]

9. I'm with you. I don't understand the exchange in the OP either.

[Thor_MN]

10. There are people that only see what they want to see.

If you want to see a living fetus that was aborted, and are presented with stillborn fetus from a miscarriage, you will swear that you saw what you were looking for, even if it isn't deliberately edited to make you believe.

If you haven't seen the video on selective attention, watch this. It is NOT the faked video against PP. It has nothing to do with PP, but might give some insight to why Fiorina doubled down on her claim.

[Tansy_Gold]

11. Selective attention is one thing

I don't think the video Fiornia references is selective attention as much as it's just nonsense.

Fiornia: I saw a live baby, with its heart beating and it's legs kicking.

Never mind how could she SEE its heart beating; we'll take her word for it that she saw the legs kicking.

Cuomo: It wasn't a live fetus; it was a stillbirth. Dead.

(Cue Norwegian Blue Parrat)

Daleiden: It was a stillbirth but it was the same thing as a live baby after an abortion.

They're not answering questions; they're just rattling off non sequiturs, and there are serious questions tht need to be asked and need to be answered. This is just plain dumb.

[yellowcanine]

18. "It was a stillbirth but it was the same thing as a live baby after an abortion."

That makes no sense. Stillborn means the baby is dead and in many if not most cases, has been dead for some time. There will be no kicking legs or heartbeat. Someone is fuggin lying here and I think it is Fiornia.

[SkyDaddy7]

20. The fetus could be "dead"

yet the extremities still move...Nothing abnormal about that.

[yellowcanine]

23. Not if is is a stillborn baby and no heartbeat either.

Many stillborn babies have been dead for a day or more. And by definition post 24 weeks. Not likely to be mistaken for a pre 20 week aborted fetus.

[hamsterjill]

17. Certainly, I agree with the fact that some people see what they want to see.

Some people do see what they want to see, and use that to prove up their opinions.

But I think there's also an issue here of the old "if you tell a lie enough times uninformed people will begin to believe it".

It's up to the rest of us to counter that crap with actual facts and information.




P.S. I have watched the video link that you provided in the past and failed miserably!!! It was an eye opener!

[restorefreedom]

8. just out of curiosity....

does anyone know what happens to "born alive infants from late term abortions" who are actually capable of "moving in the specimen pan?"

if they are at the age of viability, what happens if they are born alive?

[TexasBushwhacker]

21. They aren't born alive

The heart is stopped with an injection prior to the abortion. The then the cervix is dilated and the fetus is removed with forceps, the uterine wall is scraped (curretage) and remaining contents are removed by vacuum aspiration.

Alternately, they do the injection to stop the heart and induce labor. The fetus will be delivered intact, but not alive.

It is only during a late miscarriage that the baby may be born "alive" but there is zero chance of survival before 22 weeks. Once the umbilical cord is cut, the baby will die in minutes. Even at 22 weeks, the chance of survival is less than 10%. There just isn't enough lung development to sustain life.

[restorefreedom]

25. thanks for replying

late term issues are my biggest concern as a pro choicer. especially when cases like this occasionally happen (i hate ny post but the case is well known, just wanted to link it)

yes, it looks like about 10% from what I read as well. is 22 weeks the latest it can be done? is that why you mentioned 22 weeks? because after, odds of survival increase, and i would think there would be an ethical obligation to treat as preemie, even if the woman does not intend to keep the child.

http://nypost.com/2013/05/13/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-found-guilty-of-killing-3-babies-born-alive/

[TexasBushwhacker]

29. The vast majority of abortions are done before viability

Only 1.2% are performed after 20 weeks. At that point the reason for the abortion is usually that there is a severe defect in the fetus or the life or health of the mother is at stake. Considering that a 20 week fetus weighs less than a pound and measures about 6" from crown to rump, defects may not be visible until later.

It's important to realize that a mother may choose to terminate a pregnancy when the fetus is deformed because they don't want their child to suffer; not even for a few minutes.

Here is the story of a mother who had a late term abortion:


http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/late-term-abortion-29-weeks-dana-weinstein

Here is one couple's story of their baby that was born at 23 weeks:

http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/wrongful-life/
(BTW, the CEO of HCA at the time was Florida governor Rick Scott)

[restorefreedom]

30. thanks for the info

good to know that most are done at much earlier stages.

i would imagine a late procedure is primarily needed to save a woman's life, as complications can develop at any stage of pregnancy and can be quite dire at that point

appreciate the links.... a lot of tough situations out there...

[TexasBushwhacker]

31. Yes, I had a friend with pre-eclampsia

She died of a stroke shortly after the birth of her second child. It's rare, but it still happens.

[restorefreedom]

32. so sorry to hear that.

even with all this technology, sometimes things go wrong.

for your friend

[24601]

12. Does it ever happen? And if so, what's next is the real issue here. Isn't the purpose of an abortion

that the woman is no longer pregnant? The product isn't a dead fetus (death before birth) or death of a baby born alive.

Once the woman is no longer pregnant the abortion is over. Care for the woman's medical needs and independently determine if there is now another person. If so, isn't that new life entitled to the same Constitutional and statutory protections as anyone else? It's clearly rare, but what is the obligation to that new citizen? Why would it be different than any other citizen?

With all the vitriol from both sides on abortion since Wade, this is an area where we should find some common ground?

I'm in no way pushing a position that any woman who undergoes an abortion, but who has instead just become an unintended birth mother, has any legal or morabligation to accept and/or raise the baby and make the child her baby. I would excuse her from this decision and ensure

Are any DU members familiar with the moral & legal precedents as well as the legal obligations throughout the stages if development? I'll speculate that there are wide differences across the states.

[Laffy Kat]

15. Trust me on this one:

A 20-week-old fetus is not viable, at least not for long, regardless of kicking legs. If you have an once of compassion, you let it go.

[TexasBushwhacker]

22. Yup, chances of survival don't get to 50/50 until

24 to 25 weeks, and even then the baby weighs 2 lbs or less.

[Laffy Kat]

24. Plus, survival at what cost?

Cerebral palsy, blindness, retardation; hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical expenses, ruined marriages.

[Sunlei]

27. why can't they hook the veins on the umbilical cord to the Moms, leg/arm veins for a couple weeks?

only three blood vessels to deal with. perhaps the lungs would continue to develop.

[Laffy Kat]

28. Sorry, I totally respect your question, but..

Don't know where to start here.

[Judi Lynn]

13. Thank you, riversedge. Very unexpected, good news. n/t

[riversedge]

14. good news for all women and families

[hamsterjill]

16. I love Chris Cuomo's style

I love the way he pins these stupid, lying idiots down. Loved that he told the fool, "you know I'm a lawyer". Love that he doesn't allow them to get away with their stupid spin.

We need more like Chris out there!

[Vinca]

19. Me, too. Now that MSNBC has turned into faux Fox, I've been watching more CNN.

I didn't know Chris Cuomo existed until MSNBC made their idiotic changes. He has a way of nailing someone with a smile. It's amazing.

[Sunlei]

26. seems so heartless for anyone to allow their 'misscarried' infant to die on a table & sell the video

Is that what the "Mother" did? sold the rights to the republican anti abortion scam group?

I've had one friend miscarry her very wanted baby at 18 weeks. She would have never allowed the hospital? to treat the tiny body with such disrespect.