Reports: Bulgaria Border Guards Shoot At Migrants

[MowCowWhoHow III]

Last edited Thu Oct 15, 2015, 07:54 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: Sky News


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Donald Tusk, the European Council President, confirmed that the Bulgarian Prime Minister had informed him that an incident had taken place on the Bulgarian border. The Bulgarian Prime Minister then left the EU summit he was attending in Brussels early.

It's not yet been confirmed whether the incident took place on Bulgaria's border with Greece or the country's border with Turkey, both of which are on a migrant route.

Bulgaria is not the favoured route for migrants. Most travel further west through the so-called Balkan corridor from Greece through Macedonia, Serbia and Croatia.

If it is confirmed that the border guards used live ammunition against the migrants it would the represent the first such incident in this current migrant crisis.

Read more: http://news.sky.com/story/1570418/reports-bulgaria-border-guards-shoot-at-migrants

[dixiegrrrrl]

1. They are NOT migrants!!!!!!!

They are not on a migration.
They are not immigrants.
They are REFUGEES whose countries have been bombed into the stone age and become unlivable.

Words are important, damn it.

I email every single news source that uses the term migrants, with a demand for use of the correct word.

Worse yet, this is just the beginning of a mass movement of stateless people.

[Nihil]

5. Yes, words *are* important ...

... so using the wrong one is a problem.

The word migrant is defined in Oxford English Dictionary as
"one who moves, either temporarily or permanently,
from one place, area, or country of residence to another".

They are ALL "migrants".

"It's a proper description for anyone who has moved across a border,"
-- Don Flynn, Migrants Rights Network.

Many (the majority?) of them are genuine refugees seeking refugee status elsewhere.
Many (the minority?) of them are economic migrants.
Most of the latter are pretending to be the former and muddying the water big time.

In the UK (and elsewhere), claims for "refugee status" are examined before being
either granted or denied. If granted, those ones will be "refugees".

Someone who has applied for refugee status and is waiting to hear the result of
their claim is an "asylum seeker".

They are not "immigrants" until they have been accepted as such by the receiving
country. If their claim has been rejected and instead of leaving the country, they
choose to break the law and stay then they are "illegal immigrants".

Anyway, the official term for such people in the US is still "alien" so "migrant" is
an improvement on that!

[dixiegrrrrl]

7. Found this interesting discussion about definition:

Who Counts as a Migrant? Definitions and their Consequences

Definitions of 'migrant' vary among different data sources, and between datasets and law. Among other possibilities, migrants may be defined as foreign-born, foreign nationals, or people who have moved to the UK for a year or more.

Different definitions have significant consequences for data, both in terms of numbers of migrants (stocks and flows) and for the analysis of the impacts of migration.

The use of the term 'migrant' in public debate is extremely loose and often conflates issues of immigration, race/ethnicity, and asylum.

Conflicting definitions pose challenges for policy, particularly since many 'migrants' are not subject to immigration control and legislation.
.
When defined by intentions of a longer-term length of stay, more migrants have been leaving the UK than arriving in the UK.

http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/who-counts-migrant-definitions-and-their-consequences

[EL34x4]

9. Words are important. So is the truth.

Some are war refugees. Others are economic migrants.

[Matariki]

11. The problems in Syria aren't *just* the war.

But also a multi-year devastating draught. So the term 'migration' - along with 'refugee' isn't completely off the mark.

It's a frightening glimpse at the challenges global warming will bring

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/science/earth/study-links-syria-conflict-to-drought-caused-by-climate-change.html?_r=0

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/is-a-lack-of-water-to-blame-for-the-conflict-in-syria-72513729/?no-ist

[bigworld]

2. I think British English uses the term "migrant" commonly as anyone who moves from country to country

where the US definition is usually someone who moves in search of work.

I don't think it's meant to be demeaning.

Not all are refugees, in any case. What's a better word?

[shenmue]

3. People

[bigworld]

4. Indeed!

[dixiegrrrrl]

8. See above, where I just posted a find. n/t

[Turborama]

6. Sky News: Migrant Shot Dead Trying To Enter Bulgaria

Article here: http://news.sky.com/story/1570418/migrant-shot-dead-trying-to-enter-bulgaria

To see how successful the anti-foreigner propaganda campaign has been in the UK, check out the responses on their FB page, if you can stomach them: https://www.facebook.com/skynews/posts/1191436507537611

[Comrade Grumpy]

10. Details from your article:

It comes after Bulgarian border guards shot and killed a migrant trying to enter the country from Turkey.

The man was travelling with a large number of people from Afghanistan when he was shot near the town of Sredets and died on his way to hospital, a Bulgarian interior ministry official said.

"Our border patrol of border guards and police in the area had stumbled on 50 offenders, who illegally entered the country," Georgi Kostov said on national radio.

He added: "They put up resistance during the arrest.

"One of the officers fired warning shots and, in his words, one of the migrants was wounded by a ricochet and later died."

The rest of the group, aged between 20 and 30, were all detained, Mr Kostov said.

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I'd like to hear the refugees' version of events.

[dixiegrrrrl]

12. It is not hard to see the near future, is it?

Entire regions destabilized by weather and weapons, more and more people displaced, more and more "advantaged" countries building walls and moats and etc.
Like the feudal ages.