San Bernardino Attackers Had Bomb Factory in Garage

[brooklynite]

Source: NBC News

The attackers who killed 14 at a San Bernardino holiday party had set up a bomb-making factory in their home garage and planned to use Christmas tree lights to set off their explosives, according to documents obtained by NBC News.

When law enforcement searched the residence of Syed Farook and Tafsheen Malik at 53 North Center Street in Redlands, California, 8 miles from the site of Wednesday's attack, they found that "the garage was set up as a bomb making facility including metal-working equipment."

The components found included straight and elbow pipes, internal plugs and caps for the pipes, tape, wiring, wire strippers and cutters, a soldering gun and an electric drill. There was also at least one container of smokeless powder and a number of miniature of Christmas tree lights with green insulated wire.

Christmas tree bulbs were used by the Tsarnaev brothers for the ignition systems in the explosive devices they used during the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing. The on-line al Qaeda magazine "Inspire" recommended the bulbs as bomb components in advice about making home explosives.

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/san-bernardino-attackers-had-bomb-factory-garage-n474321

[still_one]

1. but, but, where is the evidence.....

[840high]

4. Some here will never see it.

[Democat]

11. Some here will never be convinced

Because it doesn't match up with their world view.

[TwilightGardener]

2. While Farook was telling his coworker that Americans misunderstand Islam and

that it's a peaceful religion, he was also building bombs in his garage with his mail-order bride. He killed coworkers who held a baby shower for them and gave them gifts. His fellow Americans were good to him, he wasn't discriminated against, made plenty of money, had a good life. And still the jihadi crap infested and rotted his brain. Edit to add: I guess that's what bothers me--just like Maj. Hasan, just like the Tsarnaevs. Doesn't matter what we say or do, or how we treat these people, at some point a small number of them decide it's time to kill us.

[Coventina]

6. That's what makes this story so creepy.

It's understandish-able that young men who are alienated from the dominant culture, unable to get jobs, unable to get married, etc. will be susceptible to radicalization....

But this guy......he had everything. And still went all jihadi.

[Buzz Clik]

14. I guess it isn't our freedom that they hate... n/t

[TwilightGardener]

16. No, they use it against us. Our friendliness, our respect for privacy,

our unwillingness to "profile" or support discrimination, and our willingness to give them the benefit of the doubt--they don't hate that, they see our best impulses as an opening or as weaknesses to exploit.

[Coventina]

23. I never believed that dumb lie from Bushco. n/t

[7962]

59. As have many others. Its not poverty, its indoctrination. Marie Harf.....

[Nitram]

9. Looks like you are referring to all Muslims as "these people."

You could just as easily say the same of any of the white domestic terrorists who've gone postal.

[7962]

61. That DOES get said around here every time there is one.

You could read a post just the other day talking about the "10s of millions" of racists. All with no facts to back it up of course.

[Lulu KC]

98. ^^

[Yo_Mama]

99. No, the poster was clearly referring to those who carry out violent attacks.

Which is of course a very small number.

But what's being said is accurate.

[Nitram]

109. The post quite clearly refers to Muslims.

"...still the jihadi crap infested and rotted his brain. Edit to add: I guess that's what bothers me--just like Maj. Hasan, just like the Tsarnaevs. Doesn't matter what we say or do, or how we treat these people"

[Democat]

13. Was he mostly defending his beliefs or attacking other's beliefs?

Is that established yet?

[TwilightGardener]

15. I don't think a loudmouthed overbearing coworker had much to do with this, honestly.

Maybe that poor guy got a few extra bullets in the massacre, but this guy and his wife were acting on bigger, longer-planned ideas.

[Yo_Mama]

100. The person who reported overhearing the conversation said it was over Islam being a

religion of peace. Or not.

That's the irony. It was supposed to have occurred about two weeks before the attack.

While for many Islam may be a religion of peace, it is obvious that this guy's Islam wasn't. So why should he have been offended? His coworker was saying the bald truth about the religion that he believed in.

There is no way that all that was put together in two weeks.

If your religion tells you to kill someone who insults it, by definition it is not a religion of peace.

[neohippie]

48. How do you know these things that you're claiming

How do you know he didn't feel discriminated against, right now in this post, you are claiming that you know how he felt, that you know that it doesn't matter what we say, or do, or how we treat "these people" whom are you referring to when you say that, because it sounds like you are talking about anyone who is Islamic?

Wouldn't that be discrimination to make a statement like that, but yet you claim to know that he wasn't discriminated against, but when you cast all members of any group into a single category, isn't that wrong?

We don't need another crusade, or a world where all of the Christians think that there is no way to live with Islam and all the Muslims think that all Christians think that they are all radicalized, I see the people in here talking about how this attack is because of political correctness, because some people have convinced themselves already that no Muslim can be trusted, this attitude is what has created more radicals and will continue to promote war and violence, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind

“Until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned, everywhere is war and until there are no longer first-class and second-class citizens of any nation, until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes. And until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race, there is war. And until that day, the dream of lasting peace, world citizenship, rule of international morality, will remain but a fleeting illusion to be pursued, but never attained... now everywhere is war.”
Popularized by Bob Marley in the song War”


― Haile Selassie I

[7962]

63. How he "felt" doesnt matter. He & wife planned much bigger carnage.

The facts show it.
Everyone has been discriminated against one time or another, some more than others. This had ZERO to do with that.
They were planning to kill a whole lot more folks. Why else would you build a crapload of pipebombs? They didnt take half of what they had with them
Because they were planning for more.

[christx30]

72. But it WAS political correctness.

The neighbors saw things that made them suspecious of Farook and his family. Something didn't seem right with their set up or the goings on in that home. But they didn't report it because they didn't want to risk being accused of being racists or profiling these people because they were middle eastern. They probably saw what happened to the Irving school district and the police department. The lawyers for Ahmed are demanding $15 million because of how it was handled. You think anyone wants to risk that? Hell no.
Keep your head down, mind your own business, and hope you're wrong. Oh, they just murdered 14 people? They had a bomb factory and 6000 rounds of ammo in their garage? Wow. That sucks.

At least they weren't profiled or discriminated against for their race or religion. That would have been worse than 14 murders.

[yardwork]

78. I think that the anti-Muslim hysteria is the reason they didn't report.

[christx30]

79. As in they didn't want to contribute to the anti-Muslim hysteria?

The unidentified man told KCBS-TV he witnessed the men leaving the same area where police conducted a raid on the home linked to the shooting suspects on Wednesday.

“We sat around lunch thinking, ‘What [were] they doing around the neighborhood?’ We’d see them leave where they’re raiding the apartment,” he said.

However, the man reportedly declined to report what he felt was suspicious behavior because he didn’t want to be accused of racial profiling.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

[yardwork]

84. I think people are embarrassed by the hysterical over-reacting, so perhaps they under-react.

[christx30]

85. I completely agree. That's exactly what I'm saying.

And that embarrassment killed 14 people.

[yardwork]

87. No, the killers killed 14 people.

[christx30]

94. What if they could have been stopped?

Like if someone had reported them beforehand?

[yardwork]

95. That might have helped, or maybe not.

[Skittles]

111. what about a philospophy that holds one gender superior?

[yardwork]

49. What you say is true of domestic mass murderers as well.

A small number of "us" - however we define the community of people who live near one another - periodically decide to kill a bunch of us.

Their reasons vary but usually boil down to the same basic thing - the killers harbor resentments that fester until they boil over into violence.

It's as true of the unabomber as it is of this case. The attack on Oklahoma City, Columbine, the attack in Charleston, the attack on Planned Parenthood, the DC snipers - the list is huge. It's not about a particular religion or ethnicity. The common denominator is resentment and rage.

[TwilightGardener]

52. Different factors are driving these events. The white-guy shootings seem to

be generally from alienated loners, with a prior history of mental illness, past misconduct, antisocial tendencies, grudges or racial hatred, an inability to cope with life. Their friends and family appear not to be able to catch this in time, or can't see the mental illness clearly, or don't notify authorities when Facebook postings appear or threats are made. This case, along with Tsarnaevs and Hasan, seem to clearly be religiously motivated--this is not an inability to cope, or alienation from society, although it may be mental illness (I think extreme religious nuttery is generally a form of mental illness). These guys reach out to others, had wives and girlfriends and friends and associates, achieved some success in life. They're looking for a cause to join, not lashing out in lonely despair.

[yardwork]

77. I disagree that there is any real substantive difference.

I think that the Boston bombers were isolated, too. They weren't part of any organized effort, as far as we know. It was just their weird family - two brothers and a mother. The religion was their "reason" just as the Charleston shooter had adopted white supremacy as a "reason."

The 9/11 attackers were part of an organized group, but really, do they differ much from the KKK murdering little girls in their church?

They all turn out to be social misfits in one way or another. This guy in California had a mail order bride.

[TwilightGardener]

81. I do think it's important to understand where all these people are coming from,

motivation-wise. Anti-government nuts like McVeigh and Kaczinski, anti-abortion nuts who think they're on a mission from God, radical Islamists who think they're on a mission from God, white supremacists who discuss killing blacks with others of their mindset--these folks can be tracked or watched, in a number of cases--there are contacts with associates, some manifesto written somewhere, a pattern of behavior. The tougher cases are just alienated weirdo grudge-holders who seem to snap (Loughner or Holmes, let's say). The end result is the same, of course--terror and bloodshed.

[yardwork]

82. I agree, and we could use the FBI to track them.

Instead, the FBI is infiltrating Quaker meetings.

[Blackjackdavey]

53. I truly don't understand

I truly don't understand the tenor of this discussion and the one on all of the related threads. I picked this post to respond to, basically at random.

"Doesn't matter what we say or do, or how we treat these people, at some point a small number of them decide it's time to kill us."

I wonder at who is the us and who is the them in this statement. These were apparently American citizens, at least Farook was. We are a multicultural society of many religions, beliefs and creeds. The killers in California, the killer in Colorado Springs, they are all "us." Why are we bickering over which religious or cultural extremists are worse when it should be clear to any honest and effective thinker that it is extremists in our midst, with a variety of different worldviews, that are destroying our society. Additionally, isn't it time that we coalesce around the idea that binary, us and them, thinking perpetuates the problem and makes it impossible for the vast number of normal American people, from every creed and ethnicity, to develop solutions and to live peacefully?

[Yavin4]

70. You can't use the "they aren't assimilated" rationale like they did in Paris.

This couple had it better than most Americans, and they had a child! We need to start aggressively questioning a religious ideology that can turn people into monsters like this.

[rockfordfile]

80. It seems that perhaps she turned him

I've met a person years ago that was even minded, but married a really conservative person. That became extremely conservative.

[Yavin4]

107. My theory is that he was a lonely guy looking for a wife

Jihadists hooked him up with her. He may have been radicalized before he met her, and she confirmed his views.

[JustADumbFireman]

3. When are fuckers like this going to understand...

... that they are hurting Muslims all over the country (and the world) by doing this?

[narnian60]

7. Yes, indeed.

[Buzz Clik]

17. ISIS is murdering Muslims across the globe, in greater numbers than non-Muslims.

Theirs is not exactly a PR campaign.

[Nitram]

22. Look how quickly other majority Muslim nations worked to stop the Syrian government from...

...killing Muslims.

[getagrip_already]

30. but that is there goal...

They have stated it many times. They want to eliminate the grey area between believers and non-believers. They do that making the non-muslim world hate all muslims, which in turn radicalizes those muslims and they join the cause.

It's the non-radicals they are trying to eliminate. They have to hurt a lot of sheep to create wolves.

[rockfordfile]

76. That's something a lot of religious types attempt to do

I've seen and heard that with Conservative Christians.

[getagrip_already]

88. when you think about it...

It is also the rationale used by the white supremacists trying to start a race war. The theory is that if they can do something horrendous to blacks it will get them to hate whites, then they do something to retaliate, then more whites join the fight. Rinse, lather, repeat.

Sickening.

[Nitram]

5. The odd thing is that instead of concocting a plan to use all these explosives...

...they instead decided to go on a suicidal shooting spree.

[TwilightGardener]

8. They weren't suicidal. They wore masks and tried to sneak back home.

They hit a soft, unsecured, unarmed room and left.

[Nitram]

20. They were indeed suicidal. Everybody knew who they were and where they lived.

After spending so many bucks on materials to make bombs and hours on making them, why didn't the plant explosives before the shooting spree? it really doesn't make sense.

[TwilightGardener]

21. They weren't suicidal. They intended to live and strike again.

[totodeinhere]

28. No, if they were suicidal they could have used suicide vests and most likely they would

have killed many more.

[Nitram]

33. Then why didn't they secretly plant all the explosives they made before making their last stand?

There was no way they weren't going to be found very quickly AT HOME!

[complain jane]

35. But then why bother with masks?

[totodeinhere]

37. They tried to cover their tracks and they were not planning on getting caught.

Police said that the two attackers in San Bernardino had a massive arsenal of explosives and ammunition in their home, which officials say suggested a degree of planning and raised the possibility of further bloodshed. They sought to cover their tracks by damaging some of their personal electronic devices, a senior U.S. law enforcement official said Friday, equipment that an FBI lab was analyzing to see if any data could be retrieved.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-attackers-tried-to-cover-their-tracks-official-says/

[Nitram]

41. OK, so maybe they were just stupid. nt

[christx30]

54. The theory that I have, that seems to be backed up by the timeline,

is yes, they were stupid. And Farook couldn't control his anger about what he viewed as anti-Islamic comments made by his coworker. So he went off half cocked. Chose a very personal target rather than a generic soft target with more people around. He tried to get away with it so he could go home and continue to carry out his bigger plan, but was stopped and killed.

It's the same level of wild anger that leads to the death penalty for defacing the Koran or drawing pictures of Muhammad.

[Nitram]

55. I think that kind of stupidity is suicidal. nt

[christx30]

56. I wish it was just suicidal. But it's also homicidal. n/t

[Nitram]

57. Yes it is. Like suicide by cop. nt

[7962]

64. Probably because they had another attack planned for them.

There's no other reason to have what they did and not take it unless it was for later

[CFSense]

74. they did,

a 3pack that didn't go off. it was said that a bullet hit the sprinkler system, maybe it wasn't water proof

[christx30]

10. Seems like they planned to try to

get away with it, and come back and complete their plans at a later time.
Nicholas Thalasinos's comments about Islam must have clouded his judgment and caused him to attack early. But he certainly wasn't planning to die that day.
Who knows how many people Farook and his wife would have killed if they had kept with their plan?

[LibDemAlways]

12. I saw an interview on a local LA station

Last edited Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:33 PM - Edit history (1)

with a neighbor who said the neighbors noticed a steady stream of package deliveries coming to the house and the couple working in the garage at all hours. He said their activities raised suspicions, but no one contacted authorities partly because the couple was Middle Eastern and they didn't want to stereotype. Also, people in California tend to have a mind your own business attitude when it comes to neighbors. However, ethnicity should be irrelevant. If someone has an uneasy feeling about what's going on next door or across the street, it makes sense to let someone in authority know and have it checked out. In this instance, 14 lives could have been saved. Such a damn shame.

[TwilightGardener]

19. If those folks had been wrong in their suspicions, well...Clock Boy part 2.

"LOOK AT THOSE DUMB FUCKING RACIST HILLBILLIES!! SO FUCKING STUPID THEY THINK ALL MUSLIMS ARE BUILDING BOMBS!!"

[christx30]

25. Deleting my comment because

you said it so much better than I could have.
That's one of the reasons I hated the whole Clock Boy thing. That's why he was so dangerous. Because of PC crap like this.
We've seen what happens in this country to people that are labeled racist. So they kept their head down.
Those 14 people were killed by political correctness. "We don't want anyone to think we're racist by calling the feds on an innocent Middle Eastern guy!"

Do we still think Clock Boy is owed $15 million?

[totodeinhere]

40. This is going to be a tough balancing act. Absolutely we do not want to cast aspersions at

the 99% of Muslims who are peace loving. I think we can all agree with that. yet we do need to gather intelligence which would help us the prevent attacks like this. I don't know the answer to this quandary.

[christx30]

60. Or maybe it should be that

people that make good faith reports or investigations of suspicious activity can't be sued for being wrong?
"We found it weird that he was doing things with heavy equipment and tools in his garage. We were concerned it was a bomb of some kind. But turns out, he had a night job stocking and repairing vending machines."
And not have to worry about being branded a racist/bigot/Islamophobic, and being sued, losing his home, losing his job, ect.

Otherwise, someone that notices weird goings on will just keep it to themselves and mention it to a reporter after the fact.

[7962]

66. Heck no. "Clock boy" isnt owed a damn thing.

We see "zero tolerance" stuff all the time in the US. This kid comes in with a case with a bunch of wiring coming out of it and we should leave him alone because he's a muslim? What about the kid who was taken out of school for having a pop tart "kinda' shaped like a gun? Or the little kid who was taken out of school because he was running around at recess with other kids saying "bang" with his HAND? Both of those were white kids. Plenty of examples that had nothing to do with race.

You are absolutely right. PC crap.

[rockfordfile]

89. That's bs

"Those 14 people were killed by political correctness."

What's with the right wing crap? That sound s like fox news.

[christx30]

91. How else would you put it?

They noticed strange stuff going on next door. They didn't report it because they didn't want to be accused of profiling. If they had reported it, Farook and his wife would be either dead or in jail once the cops found the 6000 rounds of ammo, the 12 pipe bombs, the bomb making factory, ect. Instead, they kept quiet.

[rockfordfile]

92. They were religious nuts

We need something to check up on people that buys a lot of guns and ammo. That I would agree to.

[Akicita]

27. Maybe the neighbors thought they would be publicly shamed, called racist and bigoted, and sued

if they reported their suspicions. Farhook and Malik might have even been invited to the White House. And just today Lorretta Lynch announced that the Justice Dept. will prosecute those criticizing Muslims if the gov. decides the criticism might incite violence. Who is going to report suspicious activity to the authorities now?

[LibDemAlways]

38. Well, if the police had received an anonymous tip and

gone out to investigate, those 14 people might well be alive and at work today. No one need be identified, shamed, or publicly ridiculed for alerting the police to suspicious activity in the neighborhood -- whether or not their hunch turned out to be correct.

[Akicita]

44. I agree with you but who can be assured anonimity these days?

And that is not the message our gov. is giving us. When a teacher reports a homemade clock that looks like a bomb as a possible bomb and she and the school district are publicly humiliated and sued for it and the kid is feted at the White House, the message sent to the general population is to keep your head down and mind your own business. On top of that is the AG's threat today.

[Angel Martin]

83. agreed !

the authorities insincerely put up posters with "If you see something, say something"

but people see how the clockboy nonsense was handled (incl. a White House visit!) and get the real message.

[rockfordfile]

86. no it's not

[rockfordfile]

90. Where do you get that crap from?

Fox News?
This is what you said.
"Farhook and Malik might have even been invited to the White House"

[exboyfil]

101. Well if they did have a side business repairing vending machines

as one poster stated - then yes they very well might have been invited if their garage had been searched.

My brother repairs electronic equipment on the side. If he lived in an apartment what he does could look very suspicious. Since he is from German/Irish stock chances are no one would ever drop a dime on him though.

Someone tinkering in the garage should not be suspicious. I think the neighbors are overthinking this. Heck even bags of fertilizer are not suspicious in of itself, or you would have a lot of folks with green thumbs being reported.

[Yupster]

103. You don't think they would have?

If a neighbor called the cops on them and they were arrested and then it was eventually discovered that what the police said were pipe bombs, were actually loaders for their vending machine business -- you don't think they would be celebrities and maybe be sent to the White House while everyone on DU called the neighbors racists?

Seems pretty likely to me.

[christx30]

108. Someone thought Clockboy brought a bomb or a hoax bomb

to school. He was arrested as a precaution. They found out it was ok. He was released. Went to the White House and met the president. He was given a bunch of cool tech stuff from people that thought he was badly treated. He and his family then announced that due to how they were treated, they were moving to Qatar.


I mean, look at that thing. To the untrained eye, that looks like a serious thing.

The school and the police department were demonized and called cowards that were afraid of a child. The family's lawyer is demanding $15 million to prevent a lawsuit.
No one wants to get involved in anything like that again.
That's why I'm saying that Clockboy, and the way he was treated and rewarded was so dangerous to the country. It can make people afraid of reporting dangerous situations for fear of retribution.

"If you see something, say something. But if you're wrong, we'll destroy you."

[snooper2]

110. clockboy did an elaborate con -

[complain jane]

36. Agreed. n/t

[Codeine]

96. That tweaker-looking guy?

That's my boss's brother-in-law. He's a pathological liar and an attention-seeking fraud.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

18. "... tape, wiring, wire strippers and cutters, a soldering gun and an electric drill."

You should see my kitchen.

[perdita9]

26. These people had a baby in the house!!!

Unbelievable. I'm mean, yes they were completely evil, but building bombs in a house with a newborn baby? That's taking unhinged to a whole new level.

[totodeinhere]

29. The baby could have been used as a prop to make it look like they were innocent parents.

After all, what terrorist would have a baby?

[oberliner]

31. This appears to have been more than a workplace dispute

Is that the general concensus at this point?

[Yupster]

104. Kind of looking that way

isn't it.

[getagrip_already]

32. I can't count the number of bomb makers I saw on doomsday preppers....

Yeah, it's a reality show, but they like home made bombs as much as like guns.

So what's the difference between a survivalist with dozens of guns, thousands of rounds of ammo, and an assortment of pipe bombs and hand made anti-personell mines from these people?

Yes, these people committed a horrible crime. But how far behind them are the other bomb makers?

[Akicita]

39. The difference is motivation.

The survivalist, though probably crazy, has an arsenal to protect himself. This couple were out to harm others.

[getagrip_already]

43. you give survivalists too much credit

some are one red faced rage away from doing the same thing.

And I just used survivalists as something people could identify with. There are probably more militia minded groups out there than survivalists, and their goals are not self defense.

[Akicita]

45. You may be right. I don't watch those programs.

[getagrip_already]

62. they are a hoot...

but not because I'm a survivalist. They are funny because of the extreme whacko's they have on.

Don't mind me, every once in a while I also go over to sites like redstate and littlegreenfootballs just to see what they are spattering about. Entertaining, but not my world.

[rockfordfile]

71. There's no reason to have bombs or all that ammo for anybody

[7962]

67. That show was used to convict one of them. nt

[Nitram]

34. What strikes me is the simplistic way most people approach these things.

Aha, they are Muslims and planned it in advance! They are terrorists!

I agree they fit that description. But terrorists usually don't have a baby. Nor do they have good jobs and a nice place to live. Could it be that there are other factors in play? Can religion play a role in rationalizing a heinous act made for a political or even personal reason? Could there be factors causing great stress on the family that would lead them to make a desperate last stand? Anger at US actions in the Middle East? Resentment against real or perceived slights at work or in the neighborhood? We may never know, but I'm suggesting that all of these could be a factor to a greater or a lesser degree. I'm not trying to excuse what they've done, it is inexcusable, but I am trying to get people to re-consider being so simplistic about the motives involved.

[Democat]

42. Terrorists don't usually have a baby?

Are you sure? Wasn't ISIS was promising wives to recruits?

[Nitram]

46. Once again, I'm trying to look at the whole picture, not pieces of it.

They had a baby, they had a home, they had jobs, the baby's grandmother was there. What does ISIS promising a "wives" to horny recruits have to do with a couple with a baby?

[christx30]

65. If they were just planning to attack

a small office building, why the 6000 rounds of ammo (which they didn't take with them), or the 12 pipe bombs (which they left at home)? It was because they had something else, probably bigger, in mind, but decided to hit a more personal target first, hoping they could get away with it.

[LiberalEsto]

73. I have to wonder whether they child-proofed their arsenal nt

[Yupster]

105. The New York Times recently had a long story about two women who escaped as ISIS brides from Raqqa,

They were given husbands, but were told to stay on birth control as babies made the warriors less willing to blow themselves up.

Both husbands eventually did kill themselves on suicide missions and then new husbands were provided. They were trained themselves for a mission and then they escaped to Turkey.

[Akicita]

47. There was a suicide bomber overseas

who was holding her baby in her farewell video screed. Also, many terrorists have money. OBL was rich.

[Nitram]

58. And what was the rest of her life like?

Was her husband killed? Did she have a home?

[rockfordfile]

75. I think they're terrorist and the guy who attacked PP is a terrorist

[rollin74]

50. just an ordinary workplace dispute

nothing to see here

[Blue_Tires]

51. So who game them the $$$$ for all these weapons and explosives??

He probably isn't affording all that on his salary...

[7962]

68. Post 51 to get to the REAL question!!!!! Blue_Tires is todays winner!

30K worth of stuff, accumulated over a short period of time apparently

[Fumesucker]

93. It all depends on what toys you want to buy, games you want to play, he was making a decent salary

Maybe they skipped buying a boat.

I know a couple with a young child who spend that kind of money just on fishing, they throw almost all the fish back and they don't even have a boat. I know another couple with a twelve year old who spend more than that on her softball and now the kid has injured a rotator cuff.

[hollowdweller]

69. We may end up banning travel to and from the Middle East.

What do you bet that this guys wife possibly radicalized him?

I know a lot of Islamic people and they are cool.

However the whole mood of people I talk to is that we should just ban anybody from the middle east from coming here and make the middle east like Cuba used to be.

Seriously these guys are going to fuck it up for Islamic people world wide.

I mean the birth rate in Islamic countries, most of them is way higher than in the west. So there's really no way that all the people produced in these regions can make a living where they were born.

They have already run a lot of the Jewish, Christian and other faiths from their countries. I have friends from Lebanon and Syria who got the hell out because the Islamic people didn't want them living there, but there's still not enough of an economy to absorb the excess population.

However if we ban travel and immigration from there it's just like a chicken coop with too many chickens it will increase the tribal, sunni vs Shiite and other fighting.

[exboyfil]

102. If the area did not have oil

I think both the 1st and 2nd world would have sealed them off long ago. The oil was the only reason the Germans, Brits, and us were fighting through two world wars in the region.

[tabasco]

97. Might have been planning a bigger attack,

but the guy got pissed at work and decided to attack office party.

[herding cats]

106. I've wondered that, too.

The one coworker and he had some reported issues regarding their different religious views. I've been wondering if that may have set them off in a different direction than they had originally planned?

We'll never know for sure, of course. It's just something I've wondered about.

[itcfish]

112. Sorry But I Don't

Believe half of what is coming out now. The whole thing is so fishy. Why did this "Terrorist" target where he worked? It was a useless place in the scheme of things. They could have found 100 different places. Sorry it all does not add up. And letting all those reporters into the apartment? Since when ???