Man gets 20 years for shooting over 'red beer' ingredients

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Associated Press

Man gets 20 years for shooting over 'red beer' ingredients
Updated 12:33 pm, Friday, December 4, 2015

HAMILTON, Mont. (AP) — A Montana man has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for shooting a bartender and killing his dog because the bartender made a "red beer" with Clamato juice rather than tomato juice.

KECI-TV reports (http://bit.ly/1Itux2o ) that that 60-year-old Monte Hanson of Hamilton pleaded guilty in September to attempted deliberate homicide for shooting Joseph Lewis.

Hanson told investigators he became angry because it is against his Jewish religion to drink Clamato juice, which is tomato juice flavored with clam broth.

Lewis was shot on May 9 after he returned home from work. He was carrying his dog when Hanson fired the first shot, hitting the dog in the head. Another shot hit Lewis in the ribs.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Man-gets-20-years-for-shooting-over-red-beer-6675680.php

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Monte Hanson of Hamilton



Joseph Lewis and his dog. [/center]

[valerief]

1. Another example of how religion kills. nt

[LanternWaste]

2. The day will arrive when religion is no more and violence, war and marriage never happen again.

The day will arrive when religion is no more and violence, war and marriage never happen again.

[jonno99]

5. Hasten the day...nt

[jonno99]

3. Nice try, but this is actually an example of how derangement kills...nt

[valerief]

4. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Without the religion, the nut wouldn't have something

to kill the bartender over.

Nice try, but religion kills.

[jonno99]

6. Using your logic, if I choke on a chicken leg I can blame the chicken?? nt

[valerief]

8. You can blame whomever you want. nt

[jonno99]

12. You brought up chickens. If you can blame religion for a crazy act - simply because it "came first",

Then I feel comfortable blaming my every foolish act on the object of my stumbling - because the object existed before my stupid act.

Why not?

[ToxMarz]

16. You can blame the chicken, but since you already killed him and ate him

there's not much you can do about it.

[jonno99]

24. Sure I can; if you are following this thread then you would understand that I can assign BLAME to

the chicken - and by extension the butcher who killed him.

It certainly can't be MY fault that I choked - and I'm not paying for the paramedics bill either!

I mean, if it hadn't been for that damn chicken, I wouldn't have choked and fallen on my date - breaking her arm!


That is unless (and do I really have to say it), it it NOT reasonable for me to blame the chicken for my act of choking.

And if that is the case then it is NOT reasonable to blame Judaism for the murder of the unfortunate bartender who is one of the subjects of the OP.

[FiveGoodMen]

31. If the chicken convinced you that you SHOULD choke on it, then yes -- blame the chicken

Your analogy is nuts.

Religion messes with people's heads and causes them to believe things which lead to bad actions.

The chicken stuff has no relation to that.

(And 'chicken or the egg' is a well-known concept which has nothing to do with eating a chicken)

[AnnetteJacobs]

32. IKR

[jonno99]

36. I can't say that I know alot about Judaism - perhaps you can educate all of us where it recommends

killing someone if they (accidentally?) serve you a shell-fish product.

No, what's nuts is the struggle on this thread to tie religion to this this act of murder.

No, it's not nuts - its pathetic.

edit: I see now that the it was "only" the dog that was killed. However, my point stands.

[KJG52]

14. The bartender is alive, it was the dog that was killed...

The shooter was convicted of "attempted murder," the dog probably saved the bartender's life by taking a bullet for its owner, this is terrible, but the bartender survived the attempt on his life.

[uppityperson]

17. It's an example of how extremism kills. Extremism is the problem

[valerief]

18. Religion drives extremism. nt

[uppityperson]

19. Lots of things drive extremism. nt

[valerief]

20. Mostly religion. nt

[uppityperson]

21. Patriotism is not based on religion. nt

[valerief]

22. But patriotism leads to war, which is govt-blessed killing.

Extremism isn't govt-blessed.

Religion fuels extremist mass murders.

[uppityperson]

23. It also leads to extremism and mass murders. nt

[valerief]

25. War does? War is already doing that. nt

[uppityperson]

26. No.Patriotic extremism does.

This was fun and all but I'm done. I agree that too often extremism is formed on religion. However, that does not mean religion is always bad. Extremism is the issue. Why do some take their "religious" beliefs so far?

[jonno99]

37. Mostly religion? You must have missed the havoc wreaked by communism during the last century. What

are the estimates? 100 million+ killed by the communists & fascists?

Death by religious extremists? While horrific and worrisome, not as many...

[jtuck004]

7. Nothing but an American Terrorist. n/t

[AllyCat]

9. Humans and their warped beliefs about what is important

Maybe the bartender was being a jerk, maybe not. He didn't deserve to die for it.

[LeftishBrit]

10. Wow

It's also against the Jewish religion (and most religions!) to commit murder!

[awoke_in_2003]

30. Stop being sensible.

[phantom power]

11. Apparently not "against his religion" to murder a man and his dog.

[valerief]

28. +1000

[NaturalHigh]

13. What a dumb fuck.

Hopefully he'll live out the rest of his life behind bars where the harm he can do will at least be limited.

[truthisfreedom]

15. Can we expect to see a boost in Clamato sales?

It just doesn't seem like a product that's very easy to market.

Anyway, a warning to bartenders everywhere, I guess.

What a nut, huh?

[LuvNewcastle]

27. Clamato makes an excellent Bloody Caesar.

Better than a Bloody Mary, IMO. Budweiser also is making a mixture of beer and Clamato, which they call a "Chelada." It's essentially a red beer, so I can see why there was confusion between the bartender and the customer. I've never heard of a bartender getting shot for putting the wrong ingredients into a customer's drink. It probably happened during the Wild West days, when everyone went around toting pistol. That is what we seem to be returning to.

[MrScorpio]

29. The modern interpretation of the 2nd Amendment:

Because you'll never know when you'll need to use your firearm in any old situation.

[Photographer]

33. I think there are a lot more crazy guys with guns than good guys with guns.

[tabasco]

34. Enjoy dying in prison, you piece of human garbage. n/t

[ejbr]

35. This just in...

the Jewish religion now allows the consumption of Clamato juice as it never should have been banned...more at 11:00