7-year-old girl killed at MI soccer practice after ‘paranoid’ man with concealed carry license opens

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Raw Story

7-year-old girl killed at MI soccer practice after ‘paranoid’ man with concealed carry license opens fire
Bethania Palma Markus
04 Dec 2015 at 16:00 ET

7-year-old girl died at soccer practice Thursday night and a family friend who had been experiencing paranoia is accused of shooting her in the head before taking his own life.

Emma Nowling and her mother, Sharon Watson, were shot after the little girl’s soccer practice session at the Taylor Sportsplex in Michigan. Watson is listed in serious but stable condition, while Nowling died Thursday night after suffering head injuries, MLive.com reports. Authorities describe the suspect, Timothy Nelson Obeshaw, as a family friend who had a concealed carry permit and a legally-purchased gun.

Police say a 9 mm pistol recovered from the shooting scene was registered to Obeshaw.

The man had recently been experiencing paranoia, thought someone was out to get him and believed someone was trying to control him through mind control, Taylor police Chief Mary Sclabassi told MLive.


Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/7-year-old-girl-killed-at-mi-soccer-practice-after-paranoid-man-with-concealed-carry-license-opens-fire/

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Emma Watson Nowling and her mother Sharon Watson [/center]

[valerief]

1. Thoughts and prayers. At least, he had his gawd-given 2nd amendments rights intact

when he passed on to SkyGawd.



Oh, yeah, thoughts and prayers. That'll make it all right.

[erronis]

23. I'm sure there is a web tool for the PTBs to use that spouts "Thoughts and Prayers"

Maybe it doesn't even need to have any button pushed.

Just scans the headlines and issues this stupid platitude - much like the rest of the creative writing from those critters.

If one of their little spawn ever were in the line of fire of NRA bullets I wonder if they would use the same phrase. Probably.

[valerief]

73. If not, someone's writing an app for it right now. nt

[malaise]

58. I'm thinking of buying stocks in candles

flowers and teddy bears since there are no stocks available for thoughts and prayers.

[valerief]

72. Mwah! I'm sure the PTB (with the help of Congress) will figure out a way to

securitize thoughts and prayers! Credit default prayers.

[malaise]

78. ROFL

[SoCalMusicLover]

75. Our Hearts Go Out.....Thoughts & Prayers

I feel better now. Move along.

[lostnfound]

82. Thoughts and prayers. At least, he had his gawd-given 2nd amendments rights intact.

No other thoughts on the matter. My head is just as empty as a freshly dug hole in the ground.

[Tab]

2. God DAMN

Between the holidays, the economy, ISIS/Daeshe, etc., this is just doing to be one hell of a month.

I see how people get shootout news fatigue. Now it's a new outrage just about every damn day. In fact, there have been more mass shooting deaths than days in the year so far.

[packman]

3. Damn, I hate to read things like this

I'll ask the question - How did a man suffering from paranoia and obviously know to others get a gun? Then , again, that's a silly question.
Sweet child - we're all so sorry we couldn't protect you.

[ManiacJoe]

4. He probably had it before he became paranoid.

The sad part is the friends and family let him keep the gun after he turned.

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. He registered it in Sept 2015

A 9 mm pistol recovered from the scene was registered to Obeshaw. He registered the weapon in his own name in September 2015 in the city of Belleville, where he at one point lived with Watson, the 7-year-old deceased, and the girl's father.

"It was a legal weapon," Sclabassi said,

Police confirmed Obeshaw also had a valid concealed pistol license.
...
"Obviously if the persons close to this individual (Obeshaw) had perhaps taken the steps to make sure that he got the help he needed, he may not have been in the position to obtain the firearms that he had yesterday," she said. "It is unfortunate."

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2015/12/7-year-old_dead_mother_in_seri.html

So, the police chief is saying that when people suspect someone has mental health problems, they can go to the police who will immediately remove all their guns?

[TNNurse]

16. Unfortunate in this sentence

is an incredible understatement.

[ManiacJoe]

17. No that is not what the chief is suggesting.

He means get the man to the professionals who can help him and also get his name onto the "no-guns" list.

[muriel_volestrangler]

31. How can friends force someone to go to formal medical treatment

that has the power to classify him as "unfit to hold weapons" so that the police will take an interest?

[ManiacJoe]

38. Current laws do make that rather difficult.

[SoCalMusicLover]

76. No Guns List?

That's a good one. Maybe if the girl had a gun she could have defended herself. NRA!! NRA!! NRA!!

[yardwork]

30. The police chief is talking BS.

It's very very difficult to get somebody involuntarily committed, and even then, the NRA has made sure that guns are sacred, never to be taken away.

[Volaris]

33. That he acquired this weapon under actual and legal color of Law

..should FOREVER DESTROY the NRA 'Good Guy' argument. By every standard, he WAS one...right up until the moment he wasnt.
Fuck the NRA. Fuck their Bloodsucker of a president, fuck their bloodsucker supporters, fuck our Vampire of a Congress.
Poor child.
Just Fuck.

[Ccarmona]

45. Let me add

Fuck those money grubbing, conscienceless politicians who take the NRA money and (quid pro quo) give the gun lobby headed the NRA, it's cover.

[llmart]

67. Amen.

I want to see a list of all the congresscritters who have taken money from the NRA, how much they've taken and then I want it published for everyone to see so that those of us in this country who are sane can shame them into vowing to not take their blood money. It just takes the majority of us sane ones to put the pressure on. I want to see a time (soon) when someone running for office refuses to take NRA money and makes it public loud and clear.

[smirkymonkey]

80. So do I and I want it plastered all over every social media site.

This is just sick and out of control. The cowards in congress need to start answering for their lack of action on this issue.

[llmart]

65. Stupid statement on the part of that person.....

You can live with someone and see that there are red flags going off regarding a person's behavior, but you cannot force someone like that to go get help if they don't want to. Many times they see nothing wrong with their behavior.

[NickB79]

94. California has exactly that law on the books

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/california-gun-restriction_n_5910560.html

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California will become the first state that allows family members to ask a judge to remove firearms from a relative who appears to pose a threat, under legislation Gov. Jerry Brown said Tuesday he had signed.

The bill was proposed by several Democrats and responds to a deadly rampage in May near the University of California, Santa Barbara.

Relatives of the victims and other supporters of the bill said the parents of 22-year-old Elliot Rodger were thwarted in their attempts to seek help for their troubled son before the rampage.

It sounds like a reasonable law, as it has provisions to punish those who make false claims about gun owners (thus preventing misuse of the law), and gives the person accused of mental instability the chance to argue their sanity before a judge. I don't see any evidence that MI has such a law, though

[AtheistCrusader]

11. He probably had it, and the license, from before the onset of whatever paranoia he's experiencingnow

This is why the general prohibition on registration in the 1986 GOPA is a problem. Even if he'd been adjudicated incompetent, the police can only stop by and say 'hey, give us your guns'. They can't say 'Hey, give us this list of guns you have registered to you, and we're not leaving till you do'.

[KittyWampus]

22. more likely, his paranoia goaded him into getting a gun.

[AtheistCrusader]

25. A possibility, but I won't wager on liklihood.

[yardwork]

32. He registered the gun in September 2015.

[AtheistCrusader]

35. KittyWampus wins this round then.

I like my crow served slightly warm.

[erronis]

42. Isn't that why most of them buy guns? 3, 5, 10, 100, 5,000? Paranoia?

Once "they" get locked into that mindset, then it's probably very difficult to take a breather, meditate, and realize that the paranoia was all Up There.

You have to give credit to the fear-mongers of the world for using this escalating paranoia to make profits. I'm not saying just the NRA, but also the USA - selling weapons around the world.

[dflprincess]

89. I have often said that the first clue that a person shouldn't be given a conceal carry permit is

that they think they need one. Very few people have a valid reason to carry on gun on their person everywhere they go.

Part of the permit process should be requiring the applicant to take the MMPI and have a least one session with a psychiatrist to go over the results and discuss why they think they need a gun.

[DesertRat]

5. Omg, how horrible!

[rockfordfile]

6. I think we have lots of these kinds of people in America

The fox news viewers and republican party types. The religious types and the nra(gun idiots) types.

[callous taoboy]

8. I worry about my neighbor-

He is rabidly Mepublican, is angry, knows I'm liberal. I don't know if he owns guns.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

15. Wouldn't it be something if "right-wing" was deemed to be a mental disorder?

Thus stripping one of owning a firearm?

(I've met some that should be watched with crayons.)

[ManiacJoe]

18. It is funny that the right-wing says the same about the lefts.

[randys1]

40. Do you think they are correct to any degree?

[ManiacJoe]

43. Yes, to the approximately same degree as the lefts are about the rights.

Broadbrush insults don't help either side.

[randys1]

44. Both sides, eh...sigh

Didnt take long to figure out your political perspective.

[ManiacJoe]

47. I would normally say congrats, but

I am not sure you actually figured it out.

[randys1]

48. Oh I did. You see the right are the bad guys and the left arent. I know that is hard

for certain people to accept, but it is a fact and is proven every single day in almost every story, issue, etc.

[ManiacJoe]

50. An interesting tangent.

To bring the conversation back on topic, while the left may be the good guys, their use of broadbush attacks does not help their case any more than the broadbush attacks by the right helps the right.

Are you suggesting that we ignore the bad logic of the left when the left can easily make the same attacks using good logic? Why drop to their level?

[randys1]

55. The right no longer has any credibility on any issue.

Anyone who is still a rwer has something wrong with them, either they are a racist, homophobe, xenophobe, bigot (for non white members) or total moron (those who think their middle class existence is helped by GOP), or they are rich and greedy.

There is not a single legitimate reason to be in the GOP unless you are rich and greedy, and then we can argue if that is a legitimate reason.

So are they mentally ill?

Maybe not all of them, but certainly they are brainwashed at a minimum.

I know what they say about us, I argue with them daily.

Now if you are like a close friend of mine who is a politician and has to work with righty, who would tell me something similar to what you are saying, then fine, but he has a reason he as to appease them.

[ManiacJoe]

60. You are still missing the point.

Bad logic is bad logic, regardless of which side uses the bad logic.
You seem to be suggesting that it is OK for the left to use bad logic because they are the left, although I am pretty sure that is not your intention.

[randys1]

61. You claim that calling rwers mentally ill is bad logic.

Isnt that the point we are disputing?

[ManiacJoe]

64. Calling all RWers "mentally ill"

is the same logic as calling all LWers "mentally ill".
If you want to label that logic as "good", we will have to agree to disagree.

If you want to use the qualifier "some", as in "some RWers", then you and I agree. I will even given you "most RWers".

[randys1]

66. I already said some are, the rest fit into the categories I mentioned.

Sounds like we dont disagree, but you are upset that someone used the word "all".

And while I guess you are right we shouldn't ever use that word in this context, it really isnt the most important point, now is it.

But, again, you remind me of my politician friend (complement, by the way) and we need cooler heads among us, sounds like you are one of those.

So, thanks for the conversation and peace out.

[qwlauren35]

91. I disagree.

I don't think everyone who is Pro-Life is a horrible person.

I don't think everyone who feels that the left has gotten "anti-Christian" is wrong.

I think it's okay to want prayer in school, or at least a moment of silence.

I think it's okay to homeschool, and I don't blame parents for wanting to get their children out of public schools, more than they want to fix them.

There are statistics that show that faith-based charities are more trusted than government programs in a lot of cases. So I understand that some people think that government programs aren't as effective as they could be.

People have many reasons for leaning right. I don't agree, but I prefer not to hate or insult them.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

71. Only on CNN.

[LiberalArkie]

7. 57 year old, I guess paranoid Schizophrenic.

At least I never had the paranoid part. Throw paranoid and schizophrenic together especially if it is adult onset and you have something hard to handle.

On edit, I read yesterday that pot can trigger it. So someone that had it as a young adult (me) and lived life with out having a problem coping with it (forgot all about it) and then starts using pot. BAM it is all back all of a sudden. Kind of like getting hit in the head with a 2x4.

[Blue_Tires]

10. Let me guess...

He's paranoid that Obama's gonna grab his guns so he goes out and shoots some innocents to "send a message" to Washington?

[Dont call me Shirley]

12. Emma and Sharon...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

13. Obviously Trump got under this guy's scalp.

[KG]

14. the latest heartwarming responsible gun-owner story...

[Dems to Win]

19. Concealed Carry Permit Holder Committed Murder

The gunners love to say that Concealed Permit holders have such a low, low murder rate.

This guy won't be charged, of course, so it probably won't show up in statistics. Just one more reason I don't believe the phony stats from the gunlovers.

[safeinOhio]

74. I'm sure most are sane

But there is no test given for that or anger issues. Seems every week Michigan has a story like this or road rage case. Way too many. Mental test with the tester being responsible if the person goes off. Cost going to the person that thinks he or she really, really needs the permit.

[JI7]

20. fucking selfish assholes , it's types like him that think they could have saved the day

when we get news of mass shootings and other horrible attacks.

[TheCowsCameHome]

21. At least his 2A rights weren't infringed upon.

Rejoice, gun humpers.

Of course, it was at the expense of a sweet young girl and her mom. RIP, angel.

[saidsimplesimon]

24. white, black, brown and everything between, we

are watching our youth suffering extreme trauma from violence from our society, without taking any action to prevent or stop the insanity. Yes, we must include all those who hate with those who profess love.

I can be more direct. My language may head to the gutter.

[lobodons]

26. dark theaters

And to think they want everybody in dark theaters to be C&C. Gee, what could go wrong..??

[blackspade]

27. The misery just doesn't end.

A serious revision to the 2nd is needed.
I'm so sick of this shit.

[LonePirate]

28. That poor child lost her life due to the 2A. Every gunner in America should be ashamed!

[leveymg]

29. When is this peculiarly American nightmare going to stop? n/t

[yardwork]

37. No time soon.

[llmart]

68. A coworker of mine who is a staunch Repuke....

told me today that there are more mass shootings in Europe than in our country. She is sure of it. Don't know where she gets her info, but I'll bet it's Faux News.

[smirkymonkey]

81. She's a fucking idiot.

Tell her I said so.

[safeinOhio]

77. Not soon if repubs get elected

every one of those in the clown car say more guns on the streets is the answer to all of our problems.

[DebbieCDC]

34. It was a "legal weapon"

so of course that makes it all right

[yardwork]

36. A good guy with a gun strikes again.

[baldguy]

39. "Paranoid man with concealed carry license" is redundant.

[CharlotteVale]

51. [phone]

[Warren Stupidity]

56. indeed

[Skittles]

84. THANK YOU

[saturnsring]

41. the latest sacrifice to the 2a

[mcar]

46. Beautiful child

No words.

[Martin Eden]

49. Was he a "good guy with a gun" ...

... until the moment when he killed a little girl?

[ManiacJoe]

52. No, not according to friends and family.

According to the folks who knew him, he as a crazy with a gun for quite a while before this event.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

53. Yup. A 'responsible gun owner' right up until the moment he wasn't. nt

[SunSeeker]

54. K & R for exposure. nt

[patsimp]

57. Another law abiding gun owner until he wasn't

[alcibiades_mystery]

59. Pew pew, whatever! East Gunistan Forevah!

Been spendin' all my life living in a gunner's paradise (pew pew) / Been spendin' all my life living in a gunner's paradise.

[passiveporcupine]

62. This is why tackling this from the goal of helping the mentally ill won't work

Who is going to force the mentally ill to get the help they need? Look at the Aurora shooter. He went to a counselor and still did what he did. He chose not to get the help that was available. Who is going to police the mentally ill?

Are we all going to be required to turn in our friends and neighbors (of course we all should try to get our family members help if they need it, but that's not always even possible). But even helping a mentally ill person to see someone does not mean they get put on a list that prevents them from buying a gun.

There are no laws strong enough right now to prevent the mentally ill and agressive abusive stalkers from buying a gun, unless you are found legally insane and committed to an institution, or a judge determines you to be a danger. And as long as you can still buy guns without a back ground check, anywhere, as long as guns are cheap and easily available to anyone who really wants one, this is not going to end.

This is the fault of our politicians who are fighting not to do anything about it. And the NRA and gun lobbyists and manufacturers. And the fact that money buys politicians. Get the damn money out of politics! Go Bernie!

[navarth]

63. Good grief

This is not far from where I live. Nobody is safe from these bozos.

[Michigan-Arizona]

70. My daughter lives less than a mile from it

She is just sick over this & is heart broken for that family..... She called me this morning crying.... So sad......

[safeinOhio]

79. So, not a peep out of our own

outofcontrollers with all of their logic and charts on gun violence

[Skittles]

85. COWARDS

[Squinch]

92. They're too busy in other threads screaming about their rights and threatening revolution if we

require them to take responsibility for the safety of their toys.

[Jefferson23]

83. So depressing..go play soccer, get shot in the head...so it goes in the America. n/t

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

86. .

[mikeysnot]

87. where is the lunatic fringe

making the lame argument that "their guns didn't kill anyone...."

[ChisolmTrailDem]

88. The cowardly, scared little gun-humpers have nothing to say. nt

[Kennah]

90. Someone was controlling his mind. Fox News and the NRA. RIP Emma n/t

[Judi Lynn]

93. Man hugged girl, 7, at soccer practice, then killed her

Man hugged girl, 7, at soccer practice, then killed her
Gina Damron and By Ann Zaniewski, Detroit Free Press Education Writer 4:44 p.m. EST December 5, 2015

Emma Watson Nowling took a quick break from soccer practice Thursday night to greet a man walking by the sidelines. "Little Emma went up and gave the guy a hug," Emma's soccer coach, Mario Scicluna, said.

Later that night, that man, Timothy Nelson Obeshaw, shot 7-year-old Emma and her mother, 37-year-old Sharon Elizabeth Watson, in the parking lot of the Taylor Sportsplex before turning his 9mm pistol on himself, according to Taylor police. Authorities described Obeshaw as a family friend.

Emma died from her injuries. Watson is in serious condition at a local hospital, police said.

Police said family members described the 57-year-old Obeshaw — who had lived with Watson and her boyfriend at their home in Belleville before recently moving to a home in Taylor — as mentally unstable. A motive, though, remains unclear, according to police.

More:
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2015/12/04/child-shot-sports-complex-dies/76791192/