Ben Carson says California shootings end refugee debate

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Associated Press

Ben Carson says California shootings end refugee debate
Bob Christie, Associated Press
Updated 5:29 pm, Friday, December 4, 2015

PHOENIX (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson said Friday that this week's mass shooting in Southern California should end the debate over whether Syrian refugees can safely be screened.

The retired neurosurgeon told a pro-business group made of lawmakers from across the nation that if it turns out the woman involved was fully vetted by federal officials and cleared to enter the U.S. it should help end the refugee debate.

"Now if that vetting resulted in missing someone who carried out such a horrendous crime that should be the end of the argument right there," Carson said.

The FBI said Friday that it is investigating the shooting in San Bernardino, California as an act of terrorism. A U.S. law enforcement official said the woman who helped her husband carry out the attack had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group and its leader on Facebook under an alias.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/politics/article/Ben-Carson-says-California-shootings-end-refugee-6676371.php

[randys1]

1. How can he be this stupid and still be a doctor?

[Mika]

3. Watching the knee jerking I'd say its an accurate assessment.

There'll be plenty of weak kneed Dems willing to vote w/the GOPers on this.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. Neurosurgery does not require wisdom or insight. It is merely technical and full of detail.

Oh, it frequently comes with a narcissistic ego attached.

[Docreed2003]

15. Carson is certainly a vile human being and a narcissist

But neurosurgery is one of the most competitive specialties in medicine. You don't become a neurosurgeon by being a moron throughout medical school. Also, surgery in and of itself may be technical, but the surgery itself is only a part of what surgeons do. Managing patients before and after an operation, as well as the complications are also a part of it. Just because Carson is a fucktard, don't lump all surgeons in the same category.

-signed a sane liberal surgeon, at least I think I'm sane and I don't consider myself to have a God complex, well maybe a Demi-God,

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. Thanks! You have redeemed neurosurgeons from the scourge of Carson! :) nt

[rexcat]

36. Just because he was a good neurosurgeon...

dose not mean he is good at anything else.

There are a lot of surgeons who have rather large egos. It goes with the territory. Generally, surgeons are the worst physicians to deal with in medicine or otherwise. I have worked in the clinical setting and the clinical research setting. Physicians are very smart people but there is also an arrogance that can go along with the title, but not in all cases. I remember years ago while taking scuba diving lessons the dive instructor said physicians were the hardest to teach because they thought they already knew everything.

[Docreed2003]

37. I can't argue against your point...

Physicians of all backgrounds are terrible outside their fields, particularly at high risk things like flying airplanes...a physician with a pilots liscense is a death wish. But as to your point to surgeons: How much gall does it take to place a scalpel against the skin and use your training to cure a disease? There is a very fine line between surgeons and sociopaths, and I say that as a surgeon. Are we an arrogant bunch? Why yes, yes we are. But I've been arrogant since I was a teenager. My friends and I used to say it's not arrogance if you can back it up. Most surgeons have graduated near the top of their medical school classes, in fact...the bottom tier students are relegated to primary care which is scary in and of itself and is another topic all together. In order to operate on another human being, there is a base level of hubris involved. Now, the problem occurs when that hubris overflows to interactions with staff, patients or ancillary staff. The art is keeping that hubris in the moment when the scalpel edge meets skin. If you don't present a confident, some might say arrogant, facade, then patient's will have no faith in you. Some surgeons certainly take that to the extreme, but I'd like to think that I've kept a sense of empathy and humility over the years. Because, when bad things happen, complications occur, or patient's have a problem which surgery cannot cure, that's when it's time to drop the facade, hold your patient's hand and weep with them. Most good surgeons I know are able to balance those dichotomies; those that can't are the assholes.

[rexcat]

39. Absolutely agree with what you are saying...

I work with a lot of physicians who are thought leaders in their fields and I am currently working in the Infectious Disease arena. For the most part I have not had issues with the physicians I work with. On the other hand if they don't play nice and work well with others they aren't going to get the clinical trials I am working on.

As far as me picking my own physicians for my health care if I see arrogance or lack of empathy on their part I won't be seeing them again. Of course I am not your regular run of the mill patient. I have worked in oncology, endocrinology, cardiology and several other disciplines while working in Pharma. I was also a clinical microbiologist and ran a pediatric hospital microbiology department. I have seen a lot and expect a lot from my health care providers.

[Docreed2003]

40. As you should...

We should all expect the best from our healthcare providers. My point was to try to shed a little light on the surgeon mindset...at least my mindset!

Thanks for what you do

[rexcat]

41. Surgeons have nothing on...

anesthesiologist! I worked on a post-op anti-emetic program and they are an interesting group. As one said to me, we bring the patient to the brink of death and then bring them back. Of course anesthesiologist have issues with ETOH and drug abuse as well as a high suicide rate, but they were fun to work with.

[Docreed2003]

42. I love anesthesiologists but a sad story...

When I was I Med school, I attended a church with a fellow student who would go on to anesthesia residency. When I started surgery residency at a different program in state program, I heard rumors that he was having problems. After a stent in rehab, he resumed his resident duties. One Sunday, after church, he dropped his lovely wife and twin girls at home and said he had to go in to work for a case. When he was found in the OR, he had written out his own anesthesia record and wrote "I'm Sorry" on the record. He gave himself an overdose of Fentanyl which he had been addicted to years earlier. So sad....and I still weep for him and his family ten years on...

[rexcat]

43. Very sad story...

I have twin boys so that story hits close to home. My kids are in their second year at University.

Opioid addiction is a bear no matter what flavor. Here in SW Ohio they are lacing heroin with Fentanyl. Lots of overdosing going on with a high mortality rate with the combination. Also with the heroin problem there is an uptick in Hepatitis C and HIV infection. At least there is now a cure for Hepatitis C, at least for most of the genotypes at 90-98% cure rate. That is one of the projects I am working on.

[Docreed2003]

44. Yet the current cure for HepC...

Costs 50k for the first treatment and some may require additional treatment! Our healthcare system needs a dramatic overhaul!

[rexcat]

45. The new DAA combination...

by Gilead cost $84,000. Abbvi's DAA drug combination cost $64,000. Not sure how much BMS's DAA combination cost. The good news is Peg-IFN/RBV is being phased out since it is not well tolerated and the cure rate is relatively low compared to the DAA's. Now to get the price down but I don't see that happening anytime soon. The two drug combination is typically a protease inhibitor and an NS5A inhibitor and now a third drug is being tested in combination (NS5B polymerase inhibitor). These are exciting times in Hepatitis C clinical research.

[Docreed2003]

46. I recently participated in a CME...

That covered all of the current treatment regimens. Most providers are elated that we have a treatment that is potentially a cure for HepC...but the real issue is the cost, which most patients can't afford and most insurance plans don't cover..

[uppityperson]

2. Was she a refugee? Did she get the same screening?

[shireen]

7. no, she arrived on a "fiancee" visa.

Ben Carson is disgusting.

[uppityperson]

9. Sorry, that was meant toward Ben Carson,he is disgusting.

[shireen]

10. sorry for misunderstanding ....

i am so mad reading that statement he made.

[uppityperson]

13. Seriously

[Elmergantry]

25. And the vetting for her failed.

Took the MSM a couple days to learn her address on the Visa app was false. So much for our vetting process.

Russia warned us about the Tsarnev(sp) brothers..our govt ignored them.

The FBI said they cant vet the Syrians
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3283587/FBI-admits-s-no-way-screen-Syrian-refugees-Obama-administration-plans-accept-US.html

Sorry, Its a valid issue. just because a RWer said it doesnt automatically make it false. Stopped clock and all that.

[shireen]

28. i cannot find any credible sources of information about her fake visa address

Nor do i find the Daily Mail a credible source of information.

No screening process is 100%. But the odds of terrorists posing as Syrian refugees to gain entry into the US is incredibly small.

[christx30]

34. It only took 19 people to do 9/11 (2996 dead).

Only took 2 guys to cause a lot of problems at the Boston Marathon (3 dead). Only took a man and his wife last week in San Bernardino (14 dead). One guy did Ft. Hood (13 dead).
My point is that it needs to be pretty darn close to 100% effective.
We were always told that everyone is important, and that one person can make a difference. Unfortunately, that's very true.

[Tab]

4. What the hell does that have to do with anything?

She's not a Syrian refugee

[Skittles]

23. it's never guns with repukes

always something else

[roguevalley]

5. Ben Carson can fuck himself. Immigration has made this country great

and it will continue to do so no matter how many ass holes there are out there. Any immigrants reading this, I am with you. Fuck Carson. He called Hamas hummus at a speech to a Jewish organization. He's critically stupid.
We all are one.

[JudyM]

19. ha, right! "critically stupid" nt

[shireen]

6. this man is utterly vile

How he can say something like that after meeting Syrian refugees is impossible to comprehend. I don't give a shit how great a neurosurgeon is ... he is a pathetic human being.

[Renew Deal]

8. Does he know the shooter was a citizen?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. Undoubtedly Carson would like to deny the citizen a visa too. :eyes: nt

[Nevernose]

35. Not just a citizen

But actually born and raised here, just like the Planned Parenthood shooter. I think that's an important distinction from simply "citizen." There's no immigrants or refugees to scapegoat here.

(Not that you were; I was just sain')

[Renew Deal]

38. Yes

I think we agree.

[jaysunb]

14. Yo, Uncle Ben, keep your ass and nose out of

California. We are just recently getting our state back on track and really could do without you or the rest of your ilk here.

[rockfordfile]

16. What a idiot

[Spitfire of ATJ]

18. You guys don't get it.....

It's proof that Arabs is EVIL.

[JudyM]

20. Ok, Ben, why don't you just decide when the discussion should end...

Simpleton response to a complicated issue.

[AnnetteJacobs]

21. Sadly, that's all they need.

[JudyM]

22. ... or want.

[tclambert]

24. She was born in Pakistan and grew up in Saudi Arabia. He was born in Illinois.

Neither came from Syria or ever went to Syria. He was a natural born American citizen. She came to America as his fiancée, not a refugee.

They apparently met through a computer dating site. Hey, maybe we should ban those.

[Maeve]

26. Oh, there you go, talking sense and truth!

His followers don't want that!

[TexasBushwhacker]

31. And it's a longer, more difficult process to come here

as a refugee. The 9/11 terrorists came here on visas from Saudi Arabia. She grew up in Saudi Arabia.

[daleo]

27. No vetting can be perfect

As a doctor, he has to know that no treatment is 100% effective, 100% of the time. Same with anything else in life.

[calguy]

29. As a doctor yes, he should know that

But as an asshole GOPrick doesn't have to know anything and can say all the stupid shit he wants and the crowd cheers him on.

[Cha]

32. +1

[tabasco]

30. In other words, Carson surrendered to the terrorists.

Fuck him.

[olddots]

33. the clown car isn't funny anymore