Long Lines Form at Gun Stores Following San Bernardino Attack
Source: KABC
Updated 2 hrs 49 mins ago
SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (KABC) -- The fallout from the terror strike at the Inland Regional Center is measurable. Long lines of shoppers have been forming outside San Bernardino gun stores. "I plan on getting a couple here," said Monica Squires, who now sleeps with a cross bow above her bed.
Other gun owners are going one step further. They are seeking a CCW, a concealed weapons permit that authorizes a gun owner to carry that weapon in public for personal protection.
"I think it's time. Things are getting a little dangerous. Terrorists are just too close right here in Redlands," said Tom Farley, referring suspected mass shooters Syed Rizwan Farook and wife, Tashfeen Malik.
The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department processes the CCW applications, and since the massacre, phones have been ringing off the hook. A CCW official tells Eyewitness News that an estimated 1,100 people have filled out extensive forms and are now awaiting the next step in the screening process. The vetting aims to determine whether the applicant is law-abiding and as it states on the application, is "of good moral character."
Read more: http://abc7.com/news/long-lines-form-at-gun-stores-following-san-bernardino-attack/1114805/
onehandle
(51,122 posts)The tipping point has been accelerated, gun nuts.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)LMAO every time I see this.
Skittles
(153,174 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Those in the "long lines" are the nuts that I fear.
LS_Editor
(893 posts)And it is suffering from conservative fear-mongering and hate-baiting.
dhill926
(16,351 posts)But whatever.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Turbineguy
(37,361 posts)Mortuary Science.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)"California man "accidentally" drops loaded gun, kills two other customers at "In N Out Burger" in San Jose".
"I-I-I don't know what happened....it was secure in my waistband....just waitin' to shoot some Mooooooslums. Thankfully, mah gun was only scratched. Too bad about them other folks. One was white, the other was some mixed type person. But hey, that's life!"
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)More paranoid gun humpers with more bravado than brains. What a disaster in the making!
winstars
(4,220 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)winstars
(4,220 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)Surely this has nothing to do with terrorism.
These are just repeat buyers impulse buying the latest trendy death spewer.
When things get questionable, people seek personal protection. Theres nothing paranoid or illogical about that.
This is something that the gun ban/strict control camp has no answer for.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)... unless you actually believe this bit shouldn't be sarcasm:
> When things get questionable, people seek personal protection.
> Theres nothing paranoid or illogical about that.
Nah, nothing paranoid or illogical about queueing up in long lines to buy
a brand new bang-bang machine to kill strangers that you don't like simply
because some nutters - who are now dead - used similar items a few days
before ... to kill strangers that *they* didn't like.
Nothing paranoid or pathetic about *that* reaction ...
What a bunch of fuckwits.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Of course you do, but you aren't paying attention to reality, where your narrative loses its ability to dictate terms.
a brand new bang-bang machine to kill strangers that you don't like simply
because some nutters - who are now dead - used similar items a few days
before ... to kill strangers that *they* didn't like.
Nothing paranoid or pathetic about *that* reaction ...
What a bunch of fuckwits.
Let go of your narrative, and step into reality for just a minute, don't fret, you can return to your fantasy world in a minute.
The SB terror attack demonstrated to people, that government failed to protect them from these sorts of attacks. We can like that, or dislike that, or debate the significance of that til we're blue in the face, but what we can't do, is deny it. Its a fact.
The SB terror attack also showed people, that all the gun control in the world is not going to prevent such a thing. Again, that's a fact not an opinion.
People taking those two things into account, and making their own personal decisions based on them, doesn't mean they're paranoid, or that they want to 'kill people because they're strangers'.
If anything, it shows people are thinking about the whole situation. You just don't like the conclusion they've drawn.
christx30
(6,241 posts)It took 4 minutes for the first police unit to arrive at the scene. In that time, Farook and his wife murdered 14 people and injured 21 people.
Make of that what you will.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)I have lived most of my 50+ years with the threat of terrorists.
Both my brother and I have had multiple (separate) "near misses" from
"being in the wrong place at the wrong time" - that's all that separates
a normal person in a normal day from a victim of terrorism: timing.
Not weapons (concealed or openly carried). Fortunate timing.
> The SB terror attack demonstrated to people, that government failed
> to protect them from these sorts of attacks.
That is not being questioned.
> The SB terror attack also showed people, that all the gun control in the
> world is not going to prevent such a thing.
Also not being questioned.
"Gun control" wouldn't have helped - the SB murderers were "good people with guns"
right up to the moment when they weren't.
Existing laws against murder, explosives, etc., haven't helped past victims of
terrorism either as the murderers simply disregard them.
> People taking those two things into account, and making their own personal
> decisions based on them, doesn't mean they're paranoid, or that they want
> to 'kill people because they're strangers'.
Whilst I'll admit that the "kill people because they're strangers" was simple
hyperbole, there is (and has been) plenty of rhetoric from the "Ah got ma gun"
crowd that their guns make them feel "safer" when there are "The Others" around
(whether "The Others" are Muslims, Middle Easterners or simply AAs).
That aside, I strongly disagree that "it doesn't mean they're paranoid": it most
certainly DOES when that is their first reaction!
Did they think about the chance of this happening again in the same place? No.
Did they think about the uselessness of a hand-gun against a pipe-bomb? No.
Did they even stop to wonder if *any* of the people present that day already *was*
carrying a concealed weapon but didn't get the chance to use it? No.
What they did was buy in completely to the John Wayne response, put themselves
in a stupid herd situation (want to kill scared people? drive-by on a queue of sheep
waiting outside a gun shop!) and boost the profits of the only people who ever make
money out of these events: the arms dealers who are blatantly selling to both sides
of the "problem".
> If anything, it shows people are thinking about the whole situation.
Rubbish. It shows that people aren't thinking about the whole situation.
They are scared cowards who are gullibly buying into the NRA lies and perpetuating
the myth that "have gun, am safe".
> You just don't like the conclusion they've drawn.
Not so much "don't like" as "feel total contempt for" and "find it hard not to mock".
"Land of the Brave"? Fuck that. If they had as many brain cells as they have bullets,
they would realise exactly how stupid they were being ... but not much danger of that ...
ileus
(15,396 posts)sakabatou
(42,165 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)"Get 'em while you still can before the ban comes!!" meme... Especially the past seven years...
rpannier
(24,330 posts)Attacks like this convince both sides that they are right
We argue that it's too easy to get guns
The other side argues it's proof they need them to be protected
One thing that bolsters their side, some on their end have as little faith in the police as many on our side
Another is, many on their side do not trust the federal government at all, so they're preparing for the big race/FEMA camps/U.N./etc War
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)to be committed, draws his weapon first. A gun still concealed is not going to do much good as a bullet passes through your heart. Finally, the criminal may come prepared with bulletproof clothing.
Better a society with no guns, then a society in which everyone has a gun.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Welcome to DU.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...having an armed guard, John Wilkes Booth still shot him from behind and got away.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)Here is what I see: Criminals bring guns with them in the U.S. to commit crimes because the facts are that they most likely will face an armed citizen at home and/or at work. Yeah, when someone has the drop ... what the hell good is a concealed weapon going to do?
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Sometimes the gun is helpful, sometimes not.
Township75
(3,535 posts)If they are just going to shoot you anyway they may miss and give you a chance to shoot back....but in your scenario they just get a chance to take their time and aim on the second shot because you don't have a defense. How is it better than the guy who was armed?
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)I find guns to be repulsive. I prefer to take my chances without having equipment on both side for a gun battle. IMO, a criminal comes with his gun ready to use. So go for yours and give him/her a reason to use the weapon. I think not.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I'm really curious about that. I could see having one at home in case someone breaks in (though if that concerned, a panic room would be better, as it would avoid accidents with the gun). But carrying a gun with you all day every day in case you are in a mass shooting sounds pretty ineffective.
christx30
(6,241 posts)does work out from time to time.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172179725
Asshole, in the process of forcing his victims into the back of the store he's robbing is shot by one of said victims. Robber dies. All others in the store get to wake up the next day. Happy ending all around.
And a society with no guns is about as likely as unicorns. Even if they were made 100% illegal tomorrow, they would still be around. There would still be shootings and armed robberies. It's just one more law the criminals would be breaking.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)The robber got the death penalty for robbing the bank. Not "happy" for him.
And it goes without saying that removing every single gun from a country is hard, likely impossible. Still, while the U.S. has (according to Wikipedia) 112 guns per every 100 residents), Singapore reports 0.5 guns. We know that 0.5 does not equal 0.0, but it is pretty damn low, don't you think?
christx30
(6,241 posts)instead of robbing a store and threatening the lives of the people there, he would still be alive. A career criminal is dead.
So, yes, happy all around. If he wanted to save his life, he could have put down his weapon and surrendered. That's not the death penalty. It's stopping a crime in progress.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)of another human being. Throughout history, there have been far too many like you.
christx30
(6,241 posts)But I care about the lives of the innocent more than the lives of the guilty.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Consistency (or perhaps, honesty) is not one of your strong points, is it, guy?
christx30
(6,241 posts)were not taken to the back of the store and executed. Again, you want the criminal to survive a robbery? He needs to put his weapon down and submit to arrest. Then he can get a lawyer, get a trial, and go to prison, just like any other criminal.
The happiness I feel in this situation is because this career criminal (he spent 37 of his 55 years in prison for various crimes) didn't get a chance to graduate to murder in his career.
This isn't the death penalty. It's a possible outcome when committing a violent crime. I could wrap my car around a tree tomorrow, which is a possible outcome to speeding. That doesn't make speeding a capital offense.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...to survive the robbery. But evidently you do not. You want the immediate death penalty for robbery. And you argue that this leads to happiness "all around."
christx30
(6,241 posts)He can do that by either doing something else that day, or by placing his weapon on the ground and exiting the store with his hands in plain view, and submit to arrest. If he does anything else, he's a threat to other people and they will take means to protect themselves from him.
And when I say "happy all around", I mean that the innocent people (that aren't demanding money from people at the point of a gun) survive another day.
Do you want armed robbery to be a risk free occupation?
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...a fellow human was SHOT DEAD.
I've had enough of you and your backward, primitive mentality.
christx30
(6,241 posts)The only people that should ever feel fear during the robbery is the victim. The robber should be able to do whatever he wants without being afraid of being killed.
And you know exactly what I meant by "happy all around". It meant that the innocent people survived. The robber could have survived by allowing his victims to call the police and allowing himself to get arrested.
If someone is holding a gun on you, he could decide to kill you at any time. There are tons of reports of robbers that get everything they want, and then shoot their victims.
When someone is robbing you, he's saying that he's willing to kill you to get your stuff.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)nobody here "delights" in death, but face the facts, if that criminal hadn't done what he did, he would still be alive today.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...what the guy wrote ("happy all around" , or somehow solve your reading comprehension issues.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
There are many instances of criminals pointing firearms at victims, only to be shot and killed/injured.
Just google it.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)When someone points a gun at you, they are saying "Obey me or I will kill you". They have already made the decision that ending someones life is an acceptable outcome for them. THEY made the choice to bring death into the equasion.
If someone points a gun at you, they have already decided that your life is worth ending. At that point, there is nothing wrong with ending theirs instead. They decided that killing a person was acceptable. You are simply ensuring that they're the only one harmed by that decision.
If you don't want to get shot while robbing a bank, don't pull a gun and threaten to shoot other people while you're doing it.
flamingdem
(39,314 posts)Kiddin'
DonP
(6,185 posts)Let's see one side tells them they are all "fuckwits".
The other doesn't.
Yeah, that's a smart way to persuade people. Call them names and ridicule them.
Or maybe these are just more of those voters "we don't really want to have voting for our candidates"?
Or, "they'd never vote Democrat anyway"?
25% of Dems own firearms. Maybe we should just get rid of all of them too, for purity's sake?
Then everybody wonders how we lost the House, Senate and so many state elections by being "positive and inclusive".
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)I live in SoCal and San Bernardino County, IMO, has enough problems as and does not need more guns.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Lots of dead minds.
Aristus
(66,434 posts)or to accidentally kill a toddler than for self-defense. Then they will go home to their rice and bottled-water-filled bunkers, and cower in terror behind locked and bolted doors.
If that's 'freedom', you can have it...
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Can exercise their Second Amendment right, regardless of the reason.
Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)That would be money better spent!
treestar
(82,383 posts)as a defense against mass shootings of any kind? Say you carry your gun with you every day. All the time. You are in a restaurant/theater/at work/at school. A shooter enters and starts shooting. He/she will get a few shots off before you realize you need to save everybody. You shoot at them and even kill them. But what if someone else comes along and they are armed too and they think you are the bad guy?
And I have heard these shootings are rare, so in the end, if everyone has guns on them in everyday life, more accidents, and more impulsive anger shootings, are very likely. Could lose more people than to the mass shootings. The gun advocates need to admit they think the mass shooting victims are a sacrifice to the freedom to have guns and they find that acceptable. There's no way around that.
Township75
(3,535 posts)Because of its not