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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:09 AM Dec 2015

Long Lines Form at Gun Stores Following San Bernardino Attack

Source: KABC

Updated 2 hrs 49 mins ago

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (KABC) -- The fallout from the terror strike at the Inland Regional Center is measurable. Long lines of shoppers have been forming outside San Bernardino gun stores. "I plan on getting a couple here," said Monica Squires, who now sleeps with a cross bow above her bed.

Other gun owners are going one step further. They are seeking a CCW, a concealed weapons permit that authorizes a gun owner to carry that weapon in public for personal protection.

"I think it's time. Things are getting a little dangerous. Terrorists are just too close right here in Redlands," said Tom Farley, referring suspected mass shooters Syed Rizwan Farook and wife, Tashfeen Malik.

The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department processes the CCW applications, and since the massacre, phones have been ringing off the hook. A CCW official tells Eyewitness News that an estimated 1,100 people have filled out extensive forms and are now awaiting the next step in the screening process. The vetting aims to determine whether the applicant is law-abiding and as it states on the application, is "of good moral character."

Read more: http://abc7.com/news/long-lines-form-at-gun-stores-following-san-bernardino-attack/1114805/

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Long Lines Form at Gun Stores Following San Bernardino Attack (Original Post) ucrdem Dec 2015 OP
Idiot lunatics unite. onehandle Dec 2015 #1
The tipping point has been accelerated, gun nuts. GGJohn Dec 2015 #18
cowards need their toys Skittles Dec 2015 #2
The paranoid and delusional... SoapBox Dec 2015 #3
This country is sick. LS_Editor Dec 2015 #4
Of course those terrorists they're worried about are dead… dhill926 Dec 2015 #5
Morons alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #6
Young? Reasonably intelligent? Career minded? Turbineguy Dec 2015 #7
California will soon join the ranks of more per capita idiot shootings like Florida ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2015 #8
Great. Exactly what we need. smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #9
Duhh, a crossbow above your bed in a place with frequent earthquakes, really smart!!! winstars Dec 2015 #10
that caught my eye also nt steve2470 Dec 2015 #14
I survived the Northridge earthquake and believe me, there is NOTHING above my bed.... winstars Dec 2015 #15
you learned well :) nt steve2470 Dec 2015 #16
Surely this has nothing to do with terrorism. beevul Dec 2015 #11
I think your "sarcasm" icon was one line too high ... Nihil Dec 2015 #17
Of course you do. beevul Dec 2015 #35
I look at it this way... christx30 Dec 2015 #39
Actually, you are the one who is stuck to your "narrative", I am the one in "reality". Nihil Dec 2015 #43
All they need is a bicycle wheel and a can of beans. ileus Dec 2015 #27
This seems to ALWAYS happen after such a tragedy sakabatou Dec 2015 #12
Gun wholesalers are experts at the Blue_Tires Dec 2015 #26
Not surprised rpannier Dec 2015 #13
The Criminal, Having Foreknowledge a Crime is... Herman4747 Dec 2015 #19
Excellent point. tabasco Dec 2015 #21
Thanks, and despite Abe Lincoln... Herman4747 Dec 2015 #22
Exactly Hepburn Dec 2015 #24
Not all attacks are ambushes. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #36
So if they come to your home armed how are you better off unarmed than armed? Township75 Dec 2015 #37
I have never owned a gun, shot a gun or even touched one. Hepburn Dec 2015 #41
This ^^^^^^^ treestar Dec 2015 #34
Self defense with concealed carry christx30 Dec 2015 #42
Not so Happy "all around" Herman4747 Dec 2015 #44
If the robber had done something else that night christx30 Dec 2015 #45
Sad to know that you delight in the death Herman4747 Dec 2015 #47
I don't delight in anyone's death. christx30 Dec 2015 #48
YOUR OWN WORDS: "So, yes, happy all around" Herman4747 Dec 2015 #50
Happy that the innocent people christx30 Dec 2015 #52
Yes, I want the person doing the robbing... Herman4747 Dec 2015 #54
It'd be great if the robber survived. christx30 Dec 2015 #56
Guy, You used "Happy all around" after... Herman4747 Dec 2015 #58
You're right. christx30 Dec 2015 #59
What a sick lie, GGJohn Dec 2015 #49
I recommend that you either ACTUALLY read... Herman4747 Dec 2015 #55
The only one responsible for the criminal's death is the criminal himself. GGJohn Dec 2015 #46
Holding a gun is a threat to kill Xithras Dec 2015 #57
Trump fans are there at the gun stores registering voters flamingdem Dec 2015 #20
Maybe not ... "Kiddin" ... so much DonP Dec 2015 #53
San Bernardino County -- the last thing needed, more guns Hepburn Dec 2015 #23
No one likes being an easy victim. ileus Dec 2015 #25
True. NaturalHigh Dec 2015 #28
Fear is the mind killer... Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #29
So the fear-junkies are going to buy deadly weapons much more likely to be used for suicide Aristus Dec 2015 #30
Good that these folks TeddyR Dec 2015 #31
Eff buying a gun, where can I get me some bullet-resistant clothing? Blandocyte Dec 2015 #32
Would it really be effective treestar Dec 2015 #33
So is this the kind of place that is solidly republican, all white, etc? Township75 Dec 2015 #38
skinner box goes wild.....bell shounds and the gun nuts go shopping dembotoz Dec 2015 #40
Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world earthside Dec 2015 #51

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
8. California will soon join the ranks of more per capita idiot shootings like Florida
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:15 AM
Dec 2015

"California man "accidentally" drops loaded gun, kills two other customers at "In N Out Burger" in San Jose".

"I-I-I don't know what happened....it was secure in my waistband....just waitin' to shoot some Mooooooslums. Thankfully, mah gun was only scratched. Too bad about them other folks. One was white, the other was some mixed type person. But hey, that's life!"

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. Great. Exactly what we need.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:34 AM
Dec 2015

More paranoid gun humpers with more bravado than brains. What a disaster in the making!

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
11. Surely this has nothing to do with terrorism.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:16 AM
Dec 2015

Surely this has nothing to do with terrorism.

These are just repeat buyers impulse buying the latest trendy death spewer.



When things get questionable, people seek personal protection. Theres nothing paranoid or illogical about that.

This is something that the gun ban/strict control camp has no answer for.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
17. I think your "sarcasm" icon was one line too high ...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 07:00 AM
Dec 2015

... unless you actually believe this bit shouldn't be sarcasm:

> When things get questionable, people seek personal protection.
> Theres nothing paranoid or illogical about that.



Nah, nothing paranoid or illogical about queueing up in long lines to buy
a brand new bang-bang machine to kill strangers that you don't like simply
because some nutters - who are now dead - used similar items a few days
before ... to kill strangers that *they* didn't like.

Nothing paranoid or pathetic about *that* reaction ...

What a bunch of fuckwits.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
35. Of course you do.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:59 PM
Dec 2015
I think your "sarcasm" icon was one line too high ...


Of course you do, but you aren't paying attention to reality, where your narrative loses its ability to dictate terms.



Nah, nothing paranoid or illogical about queueing up in long lines to buy
a brand new bang-bang machine to kill strangers that you don't like simply
because some nutters - who are now dead - used similar items a few days
before ... to kill strangers that *they* didn't like.

Nothing paranoid or pathetic about *that* reaction ...

What a bunch of fuckwits.


Let go of your narrative, and step into reality for just a minute, don't fret, you can return to your fantasy world in a minute.

The SB terror attack demonstrated to people, that government failed to protect them from these sorts of attacks. We can like that, or dislike that, or debate the significance of that til we're blue in the face, but what we can't do, is deny it. Its a fact.

The SB terror attack also showed people, that all the gun control in the world is not going to prevent such a thing. Again, that's a fact not an opinion.

People taking those two things into account, and making their own personal decisions based on them, doesn't mean they're paranoid, or that they want to 'kill people because they're strangers'.


If anything, it shows people are thinking about the whole situation. You just don't like the conclusion they've drawn.







christx30

(6,241 posts)
39. I look at it this way...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 07:38 PM
Dec 2015

It took 4 minutes for the first police unit to arrive at the scene. In that time, Farook and his wife murdered 14 people and injured 21 people.
Make of that what you will.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
43. Actually, you are the one who is stuck to your "narrative", I am the one in "reality".
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:01 AM
Dec 2015

I have lived most of my 50+ years with the threat of terrorists.

Both my brother and I have had multiple (separate) "near misses" from
"being in the wrong place at the wrong time" - that's all that separates
a normal person in a normal day from a victim of terrorism: timing.
Not weapons (concealed or openly carried). Fortunate timing.


> The SB terror attack demonstrated to people, that government failed
> to protect them from these sorts of attacks.

That is not being questioned.


> The SB terror attack also showed people, that all the gun control in the
> world is not going to prevent such a thing.

Also not being questioned.
"Gun control" wouldn't have helped - the SB murderers were "good people with guns"
right up to the moment when they weren't.

Existing laws against murder, explosives, etc., haven't helped past victims of
terrorism either as the murderers simply disregard them.


> People taking those two things into account, and making their own personal
> decisions based on them, doesn't mean they're paranoid, or that they want
> to 'kill people because they're strangers'.

Whilst I'll admit that the "kill people because they're strangers" was simple
hyperbole, there is (and has been) plenty of rhetoric from the "Ah got ma gun"
crowd that their guns make them feel "safer" when there are "The Others" around
(whether "The Others" are Muslims, Middle Easterners or simply AAs).

That aside, I strongly disagree that "it doesn't mean they're paranoid": it most
certainly DOES when that is their first reaction!

Did they think about the chance of this happening again in the same place? No.
Did they think about the uselessness of a hand-gun against a pipe-bomb? No.
Did they even stop to wonder if *any* of the people present that day already *was*
carrying a concealed weapon but didn't get the chance to use it? No.

What they did was buy in completely to the John Wayne response, put themselves
in a stupid herd situation (want to kill scared people? drive-by on a queue of sheep
waiting outside a gun shop!) and boost the profits of the only people who ever make
money out of these events: the arms dealers who are blatantly selling to both sides
of the "problem".


> If anything, it shows people are thinking about the whole situation.

Rubbish. It shows that people aren't thinking about the whole situation.

They are scared cowards who are gullibly buying into the NRA lies and perpetuating
the myth that "have gun, am safe".


> You just don't like the conclusion they've drawn.

Not so much "don't like" as "feel total contempt for" and "find it hard not to mock".

"Land of the Brave"? Fuck that. If they had as many brain cells as they have bullets,
they would realise exactly how stupid they were being ... but not much danger of that ...



Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
26. Gun wholesalers are experts at the
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:03 PM
Dec 2015

"Get 'em while you still can before the ban comes!!" meme... Especially the past seven years...

rpannier

(24,330 posts)
13. Not surprised
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:11 AM
Dec 2015

Attacks like this convince both sides that they are right
We argue that it's too easy to get guns
The other side argues it's proof they need them to be protected
One thing that bolsters their side, some on their end have as little faith in the police as many on our side
Another is, many on their side do not trust the federal government at all, so they're preparing for the big race/FEMA camps/U.N./etc War

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
19. The Criminal, Having Foreknowledge a Crime is...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:51 AM
Dec 2015

to be committed, draws his weapon first. A gun still concealed is not going to do much good as a bullet passes through your heart. Finally, the criminal may come prepared with bulletproof clothing.

Better a society with no guns, then a society in which everyone has a gun.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
22. Thanks, and despite Abe Lincoln...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:47 AM
Dec 2015

...having an armed guard, John Wilkes Booth still shot him from behind and got away.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
24. Exactly
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:58 AM
Dec 2015

Here is what I see: Criminals bring guns with them in the U.S. to commit crimes because the facts are that they most likely will face an armed citizen at home and/or at work. Yeah, when someone has the drop ... what the hell good is a concealed weapon going to do?

Township75

(3,535 posts)
37. So if they come to your home armed how are you better off unarmed than armed?
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 07:24 PM
Dec 2015

If they are just going to shoot you anyway they may miss and give you a chance to shoot back....but in your scenario they just get a chance to take their time and aim on the second shot because you don't have a defense. How is it better than the guy who was armed?

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
41. I have never owned a gun, shot a gun or even touched one.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:08 PM
Dec 2015

I find guns to be repulsive. I prefer to take my chances without having equipment on both side for a gun battle. IMO, a criminal comes with his gun ready to use. So go for yours and give him/her a reason to use the weapon. I think not.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. This ^^^^^^^
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:23 PM
Dec 2015

I'm really curious about that. I could see having one at home in case someone breaks in (though if that concerned, a panic room would be better, as it would avoid accidents with the gun). But carrying a gun with you all day every day in case you are in a mass shooting sounds pretty ineffective.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
42. Self defense with concealed carry
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:21 AM
Dec 2015

does work out from time to time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172179725

Asshole, in the process of forcing his victims into the back of the store he's robbing is shot by one of said victims. Robber dies. All others in the store get to wake up the next day. Happy ending all around.

And a society with no guns is about as likely as unicorns. Even if they were made 100% illegal tomorrow, they would still be around. There would still be shootings and armed robberies. It's just one more law the criminals would be breaking.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
44. Not so Happy "all around"
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:25 AM
Dec 2015

The robber got the death penalty for robbing the bank. Not "happy" for him.

And it goes without saying that removing every single gun from a country is hard, likely impossible. Still, while the U.S. has (according to Wikipedia) 112 guns per every 100 residents), Singapore reports 0.5 guns. We know that 0.5 does not equal 0.0, but it is pretty damn low, don't you think?

christx30

(6,241 posts)
45. If the robber had done something else that night
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:38 AM
Dec 2015

instead of robbing a store and threatening the lives of the people there, he would still be alive. A career criminal is dead.
So, yes, happy all around. If he wanted to save his life, he could have put down his weapon and surrendered. That's not the death penalty. It's stopping a crime in progress.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
47. Sad to know that you delight in the death
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:26 AM
Dec 2015

of another human being. Throughout history, there have been far too many like you.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
48. I don't delight in anyone's death.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:56 AM
Dec 2015

But I care about the lives of the innocent more than the lives of the guilty.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
50. YOUR OWN WORDS: "So, yes, happy all around"
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:03 PM
Dec 2015
But now you expect us to believe your claim "I don't delight in anyone's death."

Consistency (or perhaps, honesty) is not one of your strong points, is it, guy?

christx30

(6,241 posts)
52. Happy that the innocent people
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 01:02 PM
Dec 2015

were not taken to the back of the store and executed. Again, you want the criminal to survive a robbery? He needs to put his weapon down and submit to arrest. Then he can get a lawyer, get a trial, and go to prison, just like any other criminal.
The happiness I feel in this situation is because this career criminal (he spent 37 of his 55 years in prison for various crimes) didn't get a chance to graduate to murder in his career.

This isn't the death penalty. It's a possible outcome when committing a violent crime. I could wrap my car around a tree tomorrow, which is a possible outcome to speeding. That doesn't make speeding a capital offense.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
54. Yes, I want the person doing the robbing...
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:11 PM
Dec 2015

...to survive the robbery. But evidently you do not. You want the immediate death penalty for robbery. And you argue that this leads to happiness "all around."

christx30

(6,241 posts)
56. It'd be great if the robber survived.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:24 PM
Dec 2015

He can do that by either doing something else that day, or by placing his weapon on the ground and exiting the store with his hands in plain view, and submit to arrest. If he does anything else, he's a threat to other people and they will take means to protect themselves from him.
And when I say "happy all around", I mean that the innocent people (that aren't demanding money from people at the point of a gun) survive another day.
Do you want armed robbery to be a risk free occupation?

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
58. Guy, You used "Happy all around" after...
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:52 PM
Dec 2015

...a fellow human was SHOT DEAD.
I've had enough of you and your backward, primitive mentality.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
59. You're right.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 04:15 PM
Dec 2015

The only people that should ever feel fear during the robbery is the victim. The robber should be able to do whatever he wants without being afraid of being killed.

And you know exactly what I meant by "happy all around". It meant that the innocent people survived. The robber could have survived by allowing his victims to call the police and allowing himself to get arrested.
If someone is holding a gun on you, he could decide to kill you at any time. There are tons of reports of robbers that get everything they want, and then shoot their victims.
When someone is robbing you, he's saying that he's willing to kill you to get your stuff.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
49. What a sick lie,
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:02 PM
Dec 2015

nobody here "delights" in death, but face the facts, if that criminal hadn't done what he did, he would still be alive today.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
55. I recommend that you either ACTUALLY read...
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:13 PM
Dec 2015

...what the guy wrote ("happy all around&quot , or somehow solve your reading comprehension issues.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
46. The only one responsible for the criminal's death is the criminal himself.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:52 AM
Dec 2015

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
There are many instances of criminals pointing firearms at victims, only to be shot and killed/injured.
Just google it.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
57. Holding a gun is a threat to kill
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:43 PM
Dec 2015

When someone points a gun at you, they are saying "Obey me or I will kill you". They have already made the decision that ending someones life is an acceptable outcome for them. THEY made the choice to bring death into the equasion.

If someone points a gun at you, they have already decided that your life is worth ending. At that point, there is nothing wrong with ending theirs instead. They decided that killing a person was acceptable. You are simply ensuring that they're the only one harmed by that decision.

If you don't want to get shot while robbing a bank, don't pull a gun and threaten to shoot other people while you're doing it.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
53. Maybe not ... "Kiddin" ... so much
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:06 PM
Dec 2015

Let's see one side tells them they are all "fuckwits".

The other doesn't.

Yeah, that's a smart way to persuade people. Call them names and ridicule them.

Or maybe these are just more of those voters "we don't really want to have voting for our candidates"?

Or, "they'd never vote Democrat anyway"?

25% of Dems own firearms. Maybe we should just get rid of all of them too, for purity's sake?

Then everybody wonders how we lost the House, Senate and so many state elections by being "positive and inclusive".

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
23. San Bernardino County -- the last thing needed, more guns
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:55 AM
Dec 2015

I live in SoCal and San Bernardino County, IMO, has enough problems as and does not need more guns.

Aristus

(66,434 posts)
30. So the fear-junkies are going to buy deadly weapons much more likely to be used for suicide
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:36 PM
Dec 2015

or to accidentally kill a toddler than for self-defense. Then they will go home to their rice and bottled-water-filled bunkers, and cower in terror behind locked and bolted doors.

If that's 'freedom', you can have it...

Blandocyte

(1,231 posts)
32. Eff buying a gun, where can I get me some bullet-resistant clothing?
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:11 PM
Dec 2015

That would be money better spent!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
33. Would it really be effective
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:20 PM
Dec 2015

as a defense against mass shootings of any kind? Say you carry your gun with you every day. All the time. You are in a restaurant/theater/at work/at school. A shooter enters and starts shooting. He/she will get a few shots off before you realize you need to save everybody. You shoot at them and even kill them. But what if someone else comes along and they are armed too and they think you are the bad guy?

And I have heard these shootings are rare, so in the end, if everyone has guns on them in everyday life, more accidents, and more impulsive anger shootings, are very likely. Could lose more people than to the mass shootings. The gun advocates need to admit they think the mass shooting victims are a sacrifice to the freedom to have guns and they find that acceptable. There's no way around that.

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