JUST IN: From Sanders campaign: access to voter files will be restored Saturday morning.
Source: New York Times
JUST IN: From Sanders campaign: access to voter files will be restored Saturday morning.
Read more: https://mobile.twitter.com/NYTnickc/status/678070602310287360?p=v
UPDATE: An article! http://usuncut.com/politics/breaking-dnc-to-restore-voter-database-to-sanders-campaign/
UPDATE: Another article! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-dnc-data-access-will-be-restored_5674e6cde4b014efe0d5aca2
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Their true selves were on display for all the world to see, and the world said Eeeeew! Cover yourselves!
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)There was well over 250 thousand signatures on the moveon petition against the DNC in less than 24 hours. That's unprecedented.
It means all the DNC did was fire up the base and Bernie supporters
cannabis_flower
(3,916 posts)me to donate $10 to Bernie's campaign. I would give more, but I'm a substitute teacher and we don't get paid when we aren't working (Christmas).
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)I've already given, but I'll match your donation!
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Lol, reminds me of this Beatles song:
Sexy Sadie you broke the rules
You layed it down for all to see
You layed it down for all to see
Sexy Sadie oooh you broke the rules
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grasswire
(50,130 posts)I hope so. I hope to hear about the coordination between DNC and Clinton campaign.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Now that he has it back, the lawsuit has no solid purpose. So... either write a new lawsuit or be content that all is well?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)The legal beagles seemed to sense that the lawsuit was ultimately after coordination between DNC and Hillary campaign in the form of emails.
This may not be the end of the dustup.
Omaha Steve
(108,355 posts)Bernie even let them fund raise off his name. Now he might get what they raised as restitution. DWS might need a good judge.
OS
safeinOhio
(36,888 posts)"Discovery". DWS freaked when she found out she'd have to turn over all emails between her and the, to smart to get caught crowd, about any big secret plan to end Sanders run. One thing I've learned about law suits, "Discovery" can bring a quick cry of uncle.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)and they know it. But the DNC objective to smear him is what they wanted.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)snot
(11,456 posts)'cuz until the Sanders campaign actually HAS access, they don't have it (the DNC said they'd restore it . . . um like, what o'clock? And if that doesn't actually happen? Oops, another software glitch!)
All of this shd put everyone on red alert that some people/their owners have convinced themselves that NOTHING should stand in their way; and they will NEVER STOP/NEVER STOP.
We need truly neutral, third party oversight of this process, 'til it's OVER; 'cuz as things are now, it's just Hillary alone in the room with the cookie jar.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)call in Jimmy Carter. He has experience as an elections observer.
snot
(11,456 posts)ananda
(34,332 posts)..
snot
(11,456 posts)It's a perfect solution, and anyone who argues against it is, imho, clearly an a-hole.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)I could of sworn DWS said they would not restore the voter file until an "independent investigation"
I wonder what changed
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Remember HRC suppoters on here few hours ago were telling us this Watergate 2.0 lmaoo
retrowire
(10,345 posts)supposedly "has no chance"
XD
God, these people are transparent.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)The DNC leaked the story for smear attempt
Jon Ace
(255 posts)
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)First they say they got the information they requested, then they say they are still investigating to make sure they got the information they requested.
My head is spinning. I feel like Linda Blair.
I hope Sanders proceeds with the law suite and I hope it ends up unseating Wasserman. I've already signed three petitions about this data crap and getting her kicked out today. I'd sign a dozen more if it would help.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)week. She insists the DNC has work so hard to secure this data, but in reality she's hired a vendor that has negligent or inept processes and who is obviously slow to rectify issues or react to campaigns which complain about their sieve like protocols and occasional firewalls.
Why is this vendor not being held to account and instead rewarded with huge fees for fucking up so very badly? DWS declared them innocent, and now she's telling us we are moving forward. 'Do not inspect my decisions nor the friends we contract with to provide obviously mediocre services for enormous fess! Move forward now!'
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)A similar incident happened in Clinton's favor during the 08 primary. No action was taken and it didn't make national news.
bigmonkey
(1,798 posts)I have to paraphrase it:
"When a person or organization makes a mistake that increases their power or puts money in their pocket, you can expect them to make that mistake over and over and over."
Helps with analysis.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,566 posts)And who created it? And if and how long it was being used by any other camp before the Sanders team found it and reported it?
(And which team (if any) is now so pissed because they can't use this ploy anymore and also to deflect heat, decided to accuse the other camp of what they had been doing for months already?)
jwirr
(39,215 posts)going to get things done.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)The people's movement
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hay rick
(9,322 posts)Nice wake up call for DWS.
starroute
(12,977 posts)And I assume signatures will continue to trickle in. I think there's also a "Debbie, resign" petition floating around.
http://pac.petitions.moveon.org/sign/debbie-wasserman-schultz-2?source=s.fb&fb_test=52&r_by=1449738
Gmak
(88 posts)as did several of my family members.
starroute
(12,977 posts)But I signed one at change.org calling for DWS to resign. I see it's only got about 20,000 signatures, though.
Duckfan
(1,268 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)them DWS and DNC were pulling shenanigans against Bernie, now the world has seen it!
appalachiablue
(43,837 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Truth always comes out
appalachiablue
(43,837 posts)was one of two main speakers. It was last June, around a month after he announced. During the evening forum packed with 500+ people, there was one distinctive looking man who stood at two exit doors focused on Bernie practically the entire night. It was Jeff Weaver, man of steel. I like his style and Bernie's honesty, toughness and compassion. They don't take sh*t. Pardon me.
Truth is a wonderful thing.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)I love this
This only fires me up
appalachiablue
(43,837 posts)don't recognize polarity and even antagonism in party politics they're out of touch.
840high
(17,196 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Duckfan
(1,268 posts)He's doing an outstanding job.
appalachiablue
(43,837 posts)Remember when JW had to apologize for 'being a bully' when he said they might think of H for a VP interview. He was just joking all the same.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)It was the Sanders campaign that jumped the gun. Fired the perpetrator of the searches and then slapped a lawsuit on the party that temporarily suspended access until more information could be determined. The campaign doesn't know what they're doing. It's a mess.
You can't file a suit based on arguments the person you just fired is claiming.
This is not presidential. Voters judge candidates on many things--one is whether they're running a tight, trustworthy ship in their own campaign. That was a hallmark of the Obama campaign (both times).
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)If the Sanders campaign was able to save the information necessary to know whom the Clinton team considered its strongest supporters, it would have been quite helpful: His campaign could then stay away from the voters who have supported Mrs. Clinton, and it would give the campaign an even better idea of its supporters.
This is what Sanders campaign officials attempted to do, and, according to Bloomberg News, they succeeded. Bloomberg reported that Sanders officials searched for and saved lists of voters who were modeled by the Clinton campaign to be among its likeliest supporters. For instance, they searched and saved a list titled HFA Support 50-100, which would include anyone deemed by the Clinton campaign to have a greater than 50 percent chance of supporting Mrs. Clinton. These support scores are informed by the powerful and proprietary data on Clinton volunteers, past supporters, the Clinton campaigns polling that the Sanders campaign would not otherwise be able to gain access to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/19/upshot/sanders-vs-party-why-voter-data-can-be-so-important.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
This is not in dispute: digital footprints were left of the searches. Whether they were exported and saved is unclear. But you don't need to export the files. Just whip out your phone camera and take pictures of the screens. And you can capture a hell of a lot of screens in 40 minutes.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)come and go, paying fees to a company that when told about their cheesecloth security does nothing about it for weeks? Is that really the best they can do, hire incapable and inept persons who neglect the duties they are paid to do while cashing the checks with a dedication better suited to the actual doing of the job?
The people who botched the security are still in charge of security. Why the fuck is that the case? Why would I donate to a Party that hires incapable cronies and retains them after their lack of ability to deliver is apparent to the entire world?
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Tables turned, had the DNC attacked Hillary rather than Bernie, I suspect your viewpoint might change. I can't see this as anything other than highly polarized politics. DWC has been Hillary's team leader since before she declared. In my view this was a transparent attempt to discredit the Sanders campaign.
Those of us who have already sided up have already sided up. Academically, it's interesting to consider our disparate reactions in that light.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Oh, and it has been filed. And another thing, since the DNC relented last night in hopes they could squash the suit- rumor is, that the suit is still going forward.
No, I think the DNC and little Debbie jumped the gun by taking this to the press, then HRC's staff jumped the gun by accusing the Sander's campaign of stealing millions of dollars worth of information when they had no clue what they were talking about.
For your reading pleasure, I submit http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000151-b72f-d1ae-add5-f76f14db0001
elleng
(141,926 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Must be that they came up with a panel of independent investigators in one HELL of a hurry.
snot
(11,456 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)costs to deal with this situation should be made. absolutely.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Did the judge order it?
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)They were in CLEAR violation of their own contract as they were supposed to give the campaign 10-days notice. They were given NO notice. Legally, the DNC didn't have a legal leg to stand on.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Liars tend to do that
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)The Sander's campaign is entitled to find out who has been accessing and stealing their data.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,288 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:28 AM - Edit history (1)
And as would have been the worst outcome had the Sanders campaign simply communicated with the DNC.
Useless lawsuits are Trump tactics. What a shame to see a Democrat stoop to that level.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)as usual
OilemFirchen
(7,288 posts)as usuum.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)PassingFair
(22,446 posts)
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)So when did Sanders not communicate with the DNC?
In October, when Bernie 2016 notified the DNC of Van's initial data breach?
Or perhaps when his campaign took the initiative and notified the DNC of this week's latest security breach by Van's?
Or perhaps when the DNC entirely ignored Sander's campaign manager, Jeff Weaver's communications, forcing the campaign to file the lawsuit in the first place?
Fail: A breach of contract is not a Tort. Torts are cases that involve a duty of obligation, arising out of law, to protect others from harm. Breaches of Contract, such as this case, involve an obligation that arises from promises parties make to one another.
The DNC clearly broke their contractual obligation (read the suit yourself).
Not a shame at all. We want our candidates to be strong candidates who use all available resources to protect themselves, their volunteers and the Democratic Party itself. Sander's lawsuit did all of that and more. Hence the DNC's decision, really the only reasonable outcome available to them.
Go BERNIE!
OilemFirchen
(7,288 posts)In the period following the DNC's revocation of their access and prior to their filing a suit. The two have a mutually beneficial relationship and it's both prudent and conventional to resolve internecine matters privately, especially in the midst of a Presidential election.
I concluded early today that the DNC violated the terms of the contract.
Mea culpa, BTW. Not a tort. I don't pretend to be an attorney.
frylock
(34,825 posts)this whole fucking matter should have been handled behind closed doors. GTFO with that nonsense.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Trump and called it a shameful tactic. So 'mea culpa' is not really sufficient for what you allowed yourself to indulge in here, which to be very blunt is exactly what Trump does. Your post, just like Trump. DWS, hiring inept crony vendors and protecting them in their ineptitude, also just like Trump.
But you were saying 'tort, tort, it's bad, it's bad, shame, sinking, tort, tort' like some Republican who has been taught to seek 'tort reform'. Those Republicans don't know what a tort is either. Probably think it's cake.
OilemFirchen
(7,288 posts)Since an admission of error is apparently insufficient, I've edited the post. FTR, in the entirety of my posts from yesterday I used the word "tort" once.
I would also have changed "Democrat" to "Democratic campaign" but, as I understand from late last night, the campaign intends to continue the suit. Perhaps that's in error as well - I've not had a chance to peruse the latest- but, if not, I hold Sanders himself responsible for this useless, destructive event. If so, I'll edit the post again - rather than issue another useless mea culpa.
I've been very careful throughout this primary season not to attack any of the Democratic candidates and have stated on numerous occasions that I will be fine voting for any of them. I will not, however, avoid criticism when it's absolutely warranted - as I have done with Clinton, Sanders and O'Malley. I stand by what I wrote.
Perhaps you'll return the favor. Could you rewrite this:
in English?
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)DWS has just taken the most epic asskicking of her life!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)"beaten like a red-headed step child."
appalachiablue
(43,837 posts)A blunt and effective expression, but I dislike it for personal reasons.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)But Begala is on Hillary's team.
appalachiablue
(43,837 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)as many thought they would.
clinton's own campagin was saying bernie should be returned to access to voter files so they were prepared to throw DWS under the bus.they want this lawsuit to go away.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)what is NYTnickc?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)He's a journalist for the NYtimes. I'm still trying to find a REAL article myself.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=active&q=nick+corasaniti
But until then, an official tweet from a journalist will have to do.
grasswire
(50,130 posts):wave:
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)He could see how this could easily backfire in a huge way on Clinton and DWS, and
as a Clinton supporter he was NOT wanting that to happen so fervently wanted this to
GO AWAY asap.
Apparently some cooler heads prevailed in the Clinton camp.
Can we get back to talking about real issues that effect voters lives and livelihoods now?
Let's hope.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)However, I'd hate to see the Dem primary get bogged down in protracted acrimonious
bickering that distracts from the very issues that Bernie's in this thing to talk about, you
know, those issues that actually effect people's lives and livelihoods, and that they care
so deeply about.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)....when he was DNC chair.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)It was refreshing to see the Howard Dean that wasn't simply carrying water for Hillary,
which I hadn't seen in awhile.
Kudos to Howard for being a voice of sanity and fairness, at a time when it was so sorely
needed.
PassingFair
(22,446 posts)It's problematic that he's already "endorsed" Hillary, but I believe
that he would see to it that the race is run fairly.
It would certainly be a leap up from where we are!
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)breach of contract, defamation of character, and monetary damages...
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)It didn't work like it was supposed to.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)May have had something to do with the DNC change of heart? Or perhaps the swamping if @dwstweets? Or The calls to Dems in congress saying stop this stupidity?
Or the fact the twitterverse and reddit both blew up. With users who were outraged and started posting that even if HRC won they would NEVER vote for her?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)But remember what our Hillary supporting friends will tell us about the internet.
"The internet isn't really indicative of what the people really think."
Ugh.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)revolution before, he can relax now. A quarter of million people in 24 hours showed him we have his back.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)We learned about the situation and then along with him we acted. Now that is real activism.
LS_Editor
(920 posts)The lawsuit against the DNC should proceed.
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Truprogressive85
(900 posts)
?w=750Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)"Perhaps I was just a little hasty."
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liquidlarry
(4 posts)Why in the morning, They don't have someone to trip the switch on till morning... We are talking a presidential race...somebody needs to fix this now...
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)before morning as DWS has proclaimed that this "will never, ever, ever happen again". Can't give Sanders access til she can be assured that the DNC's last 7 years, at least, of knowingly harboring this bug has come to an end. And let's hope this is not a VW-like assurance.
Duppers
(28,460 posts)That Bernie was given access.
However...
All's not forgiven here--damage has been done to DNC, DWS, and to Hillary.
valerief
(53,235 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)SandersDem
(592 posts)seeing her walking around on stage after the first DNC debate trying to say hello to the candidates. O Maley and Sanders ignored her. Hillary even distanced herself and would not respond while the cameras were on at least (that goes for all of them). I laughed at her aimless stage presence. Wonder how she is going to be greeted tomorrow?
This was not good for any of the candidates.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Now everyone needs to chill
reddread
(6,896 posts)theres more shoes left to drop. Lets see what they have in their other pockets.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)yes Sen. Sanders got his data back
now is the time to keep the pressure the DNC
more debates on the issues less favoritism
Vinca
(53,274 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)now how will his supporters bash Hillary Clinton in grossly misogynist ways?
I'm sure they will figure out some way though.
And he still isn't going to win. Ask President Mondale.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)AT ALL your comment looks egregiously desperate. pulling that card now? wow...
smfh
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Betrayed by your own words!