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JUST IN: From Sanders campaign: access to voter files will be restored Saturday morning. (Original Post) retrowire Dec 2015 OP
Good, but Deb/Hill cannot unjump that shark. Divernan Dec 2015 #1
They're gonna try and shove the genie back in the bottle. Bubzer Dec 2015 #60
And it motivated.. cannabis_flower Dec 2015 #124
Thanks for donating!!! Bubzer Dec 2015 #125
"for all the world to see" BeanMusical Dec 2015 #83
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #126
but is the law suit still on??? grasswire Dec 2015 #2
Well, the entire purpose of the lawsuit was because of the data being withheld from him. retrowire Dec 2015 #4
not entirely grasswire Dec 2015 #9
It was also a breach of contract without just cause Omaha Steve Dec 2015 #29
One word ended the whole thing safeinOhio Dec 2015 #97
The cowards damn sure weren't going to do ANYTHING under oath. arcane1 Dec 2015 #117
I hope so too. Sanders has an airtight breach of contract case against the DNC JimDandy Dec 2015 #12
Yes. Duckfan Dec 2015 #68
Yes, the lawsuit is still on litlbilly Dec 2015 #71
They shd keep it ALIVE as long as possible, snot Dec 2015 #85
good points grasswire Dec 2015 #87
EXCELLENT IDEA!!!!! snot Dec 2015 #88
Absolutely! Get Carter! ananda Dec 2015 #122
PLEASE POST AN O.P. to that effect. snot Dec 2015 #90
Good one, grasswire! (nt) Samantha Dec 2015 #91
That is a great idea n/t That Guy 888 Dec 2015 #94
Would you look at that ! Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #3
HMMMMMMMM.... retrowire Dec 2015 #5
Lol Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #16
They're QUITE desperate to tear down an opponent who... retrowire Dec 2015 #24
Deb will be up all night preparing the spin. Divernan Dec 2015 #7
DWS should issues an apology to Sanders Camp Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #25
Spin's already here Jon Ace Dec 2015 #34
Oh, I didn't know the DNC requested a law suite filed against them. passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #66
What a pathetic load of manure. BeanMusical Dec 2015 #82
And she's still shoveling hard to defend the vendor that could not maintain security week after Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #103
Year after year. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #108
Bartcop's dictum might help clarify the situation bigmonkey Dec 2015 #127
How about finding out just how this secret door into the DNC database was first created? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2015 #116
Bernie's movement joined the fight. This is how we are jwirr Dec 2015 #10
^^this^^ 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #21
Oh yes Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2015 #46
Over 200,000 of us signed a petition demanding access in 24 hours. hay rick Dec 2015 #48
More -- the current number is 258,972 starroute Dec 2015 #62
I signed a White House petition calling for DWS's firing this afternoon, Gmak Dec 2015 #63
I didn't see that one starroute Dec 2015 #65
Not to mention jammed phone phone lines. Duckfan Dec 2015 #70
+1 tecelote Dec 2015 #76
DWS and DNC made several people I know to now definitely vote for Bernie. I had told RKP5637 Dec 2015 #99
What a dear, that Debbie. appalachiablue Dec 2015 #26
Sanders camp is not playing Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #30
Before knowing any of Bernie's campaign staff I attended a public policy forum where he appalachiablue Dec 2015 #43
I love a fighter and Sen Sanders is one Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #50
Yep. Between the irregular debate schedule and this affair if folks appalachiablue Dec 2015 #61
Me 2 - gave me more energy 840high Dec 2015 #69
The old man will not be knocked down Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #86
I'm also conveinced that Weaver knows his s*** Duckfan Dec 2015 #72
Yup and he's been with Bernie a long while I believe. appalachiablue Dec 2015 #74
Maybe it happened frazzled Dec 2015 #28
The DNC violated the contract. Vincardog Dec 2015 #33
The Sanders campaign exploited a breach to gain access to valuable information frazzled Dec 2015 #41
........ daleanime Dec 2015 #73
Why is the DNC paying high fees for security that is not in fact secure, for random firewalls which Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #106
It's interesting to see how team Hillary views this escapade. LiberalAndProud Dec 2015 #98
Perhaps you should take a few moments and read the suit. notadmblnd Dec 2015 #123
They got some legal advice, imo. elleng Dec 2015 #51
LOL! Plucketeer Dec 2015 #64
they remembered an independent investigation would not be to their benefit. :) snot Dec 2015 #96
restitution to the sanders campaign for all of their hopemountain Dec 2015 #6
I wonder what happened. notadmblnd Dec 2015 #8
The DNC caved. Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #80
they wanted to smear Bernie before the debate so they couldn't give notices, the ass hats roguevalley Dec 2015 #92
The DNC chickened out to avoid disclosing anything under oath in court. arcane1 Dec 2015 #118
as far as I know, the court case is still going forward notadmblnd Dec 2015 #119
Even better! n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #121
As predicted. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #11
ridiculous grasswire Dec 2015 #17
Ate up. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #27
our boy has a backbone. its a rarity in dems but he has one and I salute him, roguevalley Dec 2015 #93
Hahaha..reminds me of this, oldy but goody. PassingFair Dec 2015 #113
Sanders has an airtight Breach of Contract case against the DNC. They knew it. JimDandy Dec 2015 #45
When did the Sanders campaign not communicate with the DNC? OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #56
Debbie Waterboy was the one who ran to the press.. frylock Dec 2015 #75
You should self delete that post. You used terms you do not understand to equate Bernie to Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #107
No. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #115
Man if this is true catnhatnh Dec 2015 #13
as Paul Begala likes to say... grasswire Dec 2015 #20
That expression is fairly rare, my brother says it occasionally. Didn't know Paul also used it. appalachiablue Dec 2015 #47
I dislike it too grasswire Dec 2015 #55
He is indeed, with the Clintons for a long time now. appalachiablue Dec 2015 #59
They caved Robbins Dec 2015 #14
is that a legit twitter account? grasswire Dec 2015 #15
It's Nick Corasaniti's twitter account. retrowire Dec 2015 #18
thanks much grasswire Dec 2015 #22
Awesome. If I was reading Howard Dean correctly on this evening's news 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #19
I think DWS needs to be fired, then we can move on.... peacebird Dec 2015 #32
I don't entirely disagree. 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #40
I bet in the back of his mind, he was thinking how much better he would have handled this... phleshdef Dec 2015 #79
No doubt. 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #81
I would like to see him replace DWS. PassingFair Dec 2015 #114
Now we just have to discuss catnhatnh Dec 2015 #31
The results from the focus groups are in. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #35
Shoot. You are correct... i was overthinking it in post 36. peacebird Dec 2015 #37
Do you think the fact the DNC phone lines (even for donations) were totally shutdown today peacebird Dec 2015 #36
I'm sure that helped. retrowire Dec 2015 #38
As I said - Bernie's movement. jwirr Dec 2015 #42
If Bernie was unsure if we would continue his Pastiche423 Dec 2015 #67
Yes, I don't think I have ever seen anything like it in my 74 years. jwirr Dec 2015 #111
Never should have lost access to them. LS_Editor Dec 2015 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2015 #49
Sen.Sanders tomorrow night needs to Dab on the haters ! like Cam of Panthers Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #52
Was Debbie heard saying . . . Jack Rabbit Dec 2015 #53
Looks like DWS got a phone call from the Clinton campaign. joshcryer Dec 2015 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2015 #95
In the morning? liquidlarry Dec 2015 #57
They have to fix the feature...err bug, that's right, bug JimDandy Dec 2015 #77
Just got an email from MoveOn petition Duppers Dec 2015 #58
DWS: "Toothpaste, meet Tube." valerief Dec 2015 #78
Kick and R BeanMusical Dec 2015 #84
I remember SandersDem Dec 2015 #89
Good iandhr Dec 2015 #100
luck with that reddread Dec 2015 #101
This is not over Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #102
Good. One thumb off the scale. Vinca Dec 2015 #104
Oh no rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #105
lmao. since NONE of this current event had to do with sexism retrowire Dec 2015 #109
Another 3-digit post. Hmmm. libdem4life Dec 2015 #110
hmm indeed. nt retrowire Dec 2015 #112
Your retreat into false claims of misogyny prove that you know this was wrong on the DNC's part. arcane1 Dec 2015 #120

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
1. Good, but Deb/Hill cannot unjump that shark.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:12 AM
Dec 2015

Their true selves were on display for all the world to see, and the world said Eeeeew! Cover yourselves!

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
60. They're gonna try and shove the genie back in the bottle.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:09 AM
Dec 2015

There was well over 250 thousand signatures on the moveon petition against the DNC in less than 24 hours. That's unprecedented.
It means all the DNC did was fire up the base and Bernie supporters

cannabis_flower

(3,916 posts)
124. And it motivated..
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:33 PM
Dec 2015

me to donate $10 to Bernie's campaign. I would give more, but I'm a substitute teacher and we don't get paid when we aren't working (Christmas).

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
83. "for all the world to see"
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:43 AM
Dec 2015

Lol, reminds me of this Beatles song:

Sexy Sadie you broke the rules
You layed it down for all to see
You layed it down for all to see
Sexy Sadie oooh you broke the rules

Response to Divernan (Reply #1)

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
2. but is the law suit still on???
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:13 AM
Dec 2015

I hope so. I hope to hear about the coordination between DNC and Clinton campaign.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
4. Well, the entire purpose of the lawsuit was because of the data being withheld from him.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:15 AM
Dec 2015

Now that he has it back, the lawsuit has no solid purpose. So... either write a new lawsuit or be content that all is well?

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
9. not entirely
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:18 AM
Dec 2015

The legal beagles seemed to sense that the lawsuit was ultimately after coordination between DNC and Hillary campaign in the form of emails.

This may not be the end of the dustup.

Omaha Steve

(108,355 posts)
29. It was also a breach of contract without just cause
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:25 AM
Dec 2015

Bernie even let them fund raise off his name. Now he might get what they raised as restitution. DWS might need a good judge.

OS

safeinOhio

(36,888 posts)
97. One word ended the whole thing
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:06 AM
Dec 2015

"Discovery". DWS freaked when she found out she'd have to turn over all emails between her and the, to smart to get caught crowd, about any big secret plan to end Sanders run. One thing I've learned about law suits, "Discovery" can bring a quick cry of uncle.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
12. I hope so too. Sanders has an airtight breach of contract case against the DNC
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:18 AM
Dec 2015

and they know it. But the DNC objective to smear him is what they wanted.

snot

(11,456 posts)
85. They shd keep it ALIVE as long as possible,
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:50 AM
Dec 2015

'cuz until the Sanders campaign actually HAS access, they don't have it (the DNC said they'd restore it . . . um like, what o'clock? And if that doesn't actually happen? Oops, another software glitch!)

All of this shd put everyone on red alert that some people/their owners have convinced themselves that NOTHING should stand in their way; and they will NEVER STOP/NEVER STOP.

We need truly neutral, third party oversight of this process, 'til it's OVER; 'cuz as things are now, it's just Hillary alone in the room with the cookie jar.

snot

(11,456 posts)
90. PLEASE POST AN O.P. to that effect.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:58 AM
Dec 2015

It's a perfect solution, and anyone who argues against it is, imho, clearly an a-hole.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
3. Would you look at that !
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:13 AM
Dec 2015

I could of sworn DWS said they would not restore the voter file until an "independent investigation"

I wonder what changed

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
24. They're QUITE desperate to tear down an opponent who...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:24 AM
Dec 2015

supposedly "has no chance"

XD

God, these people are transparent.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
66. Oh, I didn't know the DNC requested a law suite filed against them.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:30 AM
Dec 2015


First they say they got the information they requested, then they say they are still investigating to make sure they got the information they requested.

My head is spinning. I feel like Linda Blair.

I hope Sanders proceeds with the law suite and I hope it ends up unseating Wasserman. I've already signed three petitions about this data crap and getting her kicked out today. I'd sign a dozen more if it would help.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
103. And she's still shoveling hard to defend the vendor that could not maintain security week after
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:09 AM
Dec 2015

week. She insists the DNC has work so hard to secure this data, but in reality she's hired a vendor that has negligent or inept processes and who is obviously slow to rectify issues or react to campaigns which complain about their sieve like protocols and occasional firewalls.

Why is this vendor not being held to account and instead rewarded with huge fees for fucking up so very badly? DWS declared them innocent, and now she's telling us we are moving forward. 'Do not inspect my decisions nor the friends we contract with to provide obviously mediocre services for enormous fess! Move forward now!'

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
108. Year after year.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:25 AM
Dec 2015

A similar incident happened in Clinton's favor during the 08 primary. No action was taken and it didn't make national news.

bigmonkey

(1,798 posts)
127. Bartcop's dictum might help clarify the situation
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:57 PM
Dec 2015

I have to paraphrase it:

"When a person or organization makes a mistake that increases their power or puts money in their pocket, you can expect them to make that mistake over and over and over."

Helps with analysis.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,566 posts)
116. How about finding out just how this secret door into the DNC database was first created?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:18 PM
Dec 2015

And who created it? And if and how long it was being used by any other camp before the Sanders team found it and reported it?

(And which team (if any) is now so pissed because they can't use this ploy anymore and also to deflect heat, decided to accuse the other camp of what they had been doing for months already?)

Response to jwirr (Reply #10)

hay rick

(9,322 posts)
48. Over 200,000 of us signed a petition demanding access in 24 hours.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:50 AM
Dec 2015

Nice wake up call for DWS.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
62. More -- the current number is 258,972
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:16 AM
Dec 2015

And I assume signatures will continue to trickle in. I think there's also a "Debbie, resign" petition floating around.

http://pac.petitions.moveon.org/sign/debbie-wasserman-schultz-2?source=s.fb&fb_test=52&r_by=1449738

Gmak

(88 posts)
63. I signed a White House petition calling for DWS's firing this afternoon,
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:20 AM
Dec 2015

as did several of my family members.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
65. I didn't see that one
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:25 AM
Dec 2015

But I signed one at change.org calling for DWS to resign. I see it's only got about 20,000 signatures, though.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
99. DWS and DNC made several people I know to now definitely vote for Bernie. I had told
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:07 AM
Dec 2015

them DWS and DNC were pulling shenanigans against Bernie, now the world has seen it!

appalachiablue

(43,837 posts)
43. Before knowing any of Bernie's campaign staff I attended a public policy forum where he
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:39 AM
Dec 2015

was one of two main speakers. It was last June, around a month after he announced. During the evening forum packed with 500+ people, there was one distinctive looking man who stood at two exit doors focused on Bernie practically the entire night. It was Jeff Weaver, man of steel. I like his style and Bernie's honesty, toughness and compassion. They don't take sh*t. Pardon me.

Truth is a wonderful thing.




appalachiablue

(43,837 posts)
61. Yep. Between the irregular debate schedule and this affair if folks
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:12 AM
Dec 2015

don't recognize polarity and even antagonism in party politics they're out of touch.

appalachiablue

(43,837 posts)
74. Yup and he's been with Bernie a long while I believe.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:51 AM
Dec 2015

Remember when JW had to apologize for 'being a bully' when he said they might think of H for a VP interview. He was just joking all the same.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
28. Maybe it happened
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:25 AM
Dec 2015

It was the Sanders campaign that jumped the gun. Fired the perpetrator of the searches and then slapped a lawsuit on the party that temporarily suspended access until more information could be determined. The campaign doesn't know what they're doing. It's a mess.

You can't file a suit based on arguments the person you just fired is claiming.

This is not presidential. Voters judge candidates on many things--one is whether they're running a tight, trustworthy ship in their own campaign. That was a hallmark of the Obama campaign (both times).

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
41. The Sanders campaign exploited a breach to gain access to valuable information
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:38 AM
Dec 2015
The Clinton campaign has also invested millions in survey research; it does not seem the Sanders campaign has done so. Survey data is the fuel for strong modeled estimates: Without it, you’re less likely to know the voter characteristics that tend to predict who will support a given candidate.

If the Sanders campaign was able to save the information necessary to know whom the Clinton team considered its strongest supporters, it would have been quite helpful: His campaign could then stay away from the voters who have supported Mrs. Clinton, and it would give the campaign an even better idea of its supporters.

This is what Sanders campaign officials attempted to do, and, according to Bloomberg News, they succeeded. Bloomberg reported that Sanders officials searched for and saved lists of voters who were modeled by the Clinton campaign to be among its likeliest supporters. For instance, they searched and saved a list titled “HFA Support 50-100,” which would include anyone deemed by the Clinton campaign to have a greater than 50 percent chance of supporting Mrs. Clinton. These support scores are informed by the powerful and proprietary data — on Clinton volunteers, past supporters, the Clinton campaign’s polling — that the Sanders campaign would not otherwise be able to gain access to.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/19/upshot/sanders-vs-party-why-voter-data-can-be-so-important.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


This is not in dispute: digital footprints were left of the searches. Whether they were exported and saved is unclear. But you don't need to export the files. Just whip out your phone camera and take pictures of the screens. And you can capture a hell of a lot of screens in 40 minutes.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
106. Why is the DNC paying high fees for security that is not in fact secure, for random firewalls which
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:15 AM
Dec 2015

come and go, paying fees to a company that when told about their cheesecloth security does nothing about it for weeks? Is that really the best they can do, hire incapable and inept persons who neglect the duties they are paid to do while cashing the checks with a dedication better suited to the actual doing of the job?
The people who botched the security are still in charge of security. Why the fuck is that the case? Why would I donate to a Party that hires incapable cronies and retains them after their lack of ability to deliver is apparent to the entire world?

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
98. It's interesting to see how team Hillary views this escapade.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:10 AM
Dec 2015

Tables turned, had the DNC attacked Hillary rather than Bernie, I suspect your viewpoint might change. I can't see this as anything other than highly polarized politics. DWC has been Hillary's team leader since before she declared. In my view this was a transparent attempt to discredit the Sanders campaign.

Those of us who have already sided up have already sided up. Academically, it's interesting to consider our disparate reactions in that light.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
123. Perhaps you should take a few moments and read the suit.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:31 PM
Dec 2015

Oh, and it has been filed. And another thing, since the DNC relented last night in hopes they could squash the suit- rumor is, that the suit is still going forward.

No, I think the DNC and little Debbie jumped the gun by taking this to the press, then HRC's staff jumped the gun by accusing the Sander's campaign of stealing millions of dollars worth of information when they had no clue what they were talking about.

For your reading pleasure, I submit http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000151-b72f-d1ae-add5-f76f14db0001

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
64. LOL!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:21 AM
Dec 2015

Must be that they came up with a panel of independent investigators in one HELL of a hurry.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
6. restitution to the sanders campaign for all of their
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:15 AM
Dec 2015

costs to deal with this situation should be made. absolutely.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
80. The DNC caved.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:30 AM
Dec 2015

They were in CLEAR violation of their own contract as they were supposed to give the campaign 10-days notice. They were given NO notice. Legally, the DNC didn't have a legal leg to stand on.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
92. they wanted to smear Bernie before the debate so they couldn't give notices, the ass hats
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:06 AM
Dec 2015
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
118. The DNC chickened out to avoid disclosing anything under oath in court.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:57 PM
Dec 2015

Liars tend to do that

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
119. as far as I know, the court case is still going forward
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:00 PM
Dec 2015

The Sander's campaign is entitled to find out who has been accessing and stealing their data.

OilemFirchen

(7,288 posts)
11. As predicted.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:18 AM
Dec 2015

Last edited Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:28 AM - Edit history (1)

And as would have been the worst outcome had the Sanders campaign simply communicated with the DNC.

Useless lawsuits are Trump tactics. What a shame to see a Democrat stoop to that level.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
45. Sanders has an airtight Breach of Contract case against the DNC. They knew it.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:42 AM
Dec 2015

So when did Sanders not communicate with the DNC?

In October, when Bernie 2016 notified the DNC of Van's initial data breach?

Or perhaps when his campaign took the initiative and notified the DNC of this week's latest security breach by Van's?

Or perhaps when the DNC entirely ignored Sander's campaign manager, Jeff Weaver's communications, forcing the campaign to file the lawsuit in the first place?

Fail: A breach of contract is not a Tort. Torts are cases that involve a duty of obligation, arising out of law, to protect others from harm. Breaches of Contract, such as this case, involve an obligation that arises from promises parties make to one another.

The DNC clearly broke their contractual obligation (read the suit yourself).

Not a shame at all. We want our candidates to be strong candidates who use all available resources to protect themselves, their volunteers and the Democratic Party itself. Sander's lawsuit did all of that and more. Hence the DNC's decision, really the only reasonable outcome available to them.

Go BERNIE!


OilemFirchen

(7,288 posts)
56. When did the Sanders campaign not communicate with the DNC?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:59 AM
Dec 2015

In the period following the DNC's revocation of their access and prior to their filing a suit. The two have a mutually beneficial relationship and it's both prudent and conventional to resolve internecine matters privately, especially in the midst of a Presidential election.

I concluded early today that the DNC violated the terms of the contract.

Mea culpa, BTW. Not a tort. I don't pretend to be an attorney.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
75. Debbie Waterboy was the one who ran to the press..
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:00 AM
Dec 2015

this whole fucking matter should have been handled behind closed doors. GTFO with that nonsense.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
107. You should self delete that post. You used terms you do not understand to equate Bernie to
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:29 AM
Dec 2015

Trump and called it a shameful tactic. So 'mea culpa' is not really sufficient for what you allowed yourself to indulge in here, which to be very blunt is exactly what Trump does. Your post, just like Trump. DWS, hiring inept crony vendors and protecting them in their ineptitude, also just like Trump.

But you were saying 'tort, tort, it's bad, it's bad, shame, sinking, tort, tort' like some Republican who has been taught to seek 'tort reform'. Those Republicans don't know what a tort is either. Probably think it's cake.

OilemFirchen

(7,288 posts)
115. No.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:45 AM
Dec 2015

Since an admission of error is apparently insufficient, I've edited the post. FTR, in the entirety of my posts from yesterday I used the word "tort" once.

I would also have changed "Democrat" to "Democratic campaign" but, as I understand from late last night, the campaign intends to continue the suit. Perhaps that's in error as well - I've not had a chance to peruse the latest- but, if not, I hold Sanders himself responsible for this useless, destructive event. If so, I'll edit the post again - rather than issue another useless mea culpa.

I've been very careful throughout this primary season not to attack any of the Democratic candidates and have stated on numerous occasions that I will be fine voting for any of them. I will not, however, avoid criticism when it's absolutely warranted - as I have done with Clinton, Sanders and O'Malley. I stand by what I wrote.

Perhaps you'll return the favor. Could you rewrite this:

Your post, just like Trump. DWS, hiring inept crony vendors and protecting them in their ineptitude, also just like Trump.

in English?

appalachiablue

(43,837 posts)
47. That expression is fairly rare, my brother says it occasionally. Didn't know Paul also used it.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:44 AM
Dec 2015

A blunt and effective expression, but I dislike it for personal reasons.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
14. They caved
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:19 AM
Dec 2015

as many thought they would.

clinton's own campagin was saying bernie should be returned to access to voter files so they were prepared to throw DWS under the bus.they want this lawsuit to go away.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
18. It's Nick Corasaniti's twitter account.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:20 AM
Dec 2015

He's a journalist for the NYtimes. I'm still trying to find a REAL article myself.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=active&q=nick+corasaniti

But until then, an official tweet from a journalist will have to do.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
19. Awesome. If I was reading Howard Dean correctly on this evening's news
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:20 AM
Dec 2015

He could see how this could easily backfire in a huge way on Clinton and DWS, and
as a Clinton supporter he was NOT wanting that to happen so fervently wanted this to
GO AWAY asap.

Apparently some cooler heads prevailed in the Clinton camp.

Can we get back to talking about real issues that effect voters lives and livelihoods now?

Let's hope.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
40. I don't entirely disagree.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:34 AM
Dec 2015

However, I'd hate to see the Dem primary get bogged down in protracted acrimonious
bickering that distracts from the very issues that Bernie's in this thing to talk about, you
know, those issues that actually effect people's lives and livelihoods, and that they care
so deeply about.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
79. I bet in the back of his mind, he was thinking how much better he would have handled this...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:29 AM
Dec 2015

....when he was DNC chair.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
81. No doubt.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:33 AM
Dec 2015

It was refreshing to see the Howard Dean that wasn't simply carrying water for Hillary,
which I hadn't seen in awhile.

Kudos to Howard for being a voice of sanity and fairness, at a time when it was so sorely
needed.

PassingFair

(22,446 posts)
114. I would like to see him replace DWS.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:01 AM
Dec 2015

It's problematic that he's already "endorsed" Hillary, but I believe
that he would see to it that the race is run fairly.

It would certainly be a leap up from where we are!

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
31. Now we just have to discuss
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:27 AM
Dec 2015

breach of contract, defamation of character, and monetary damages...

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
36. Do you think the fact the DNC phone lines (even for donations) were totally shutdown today
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:31 AM
Dec 2015

May have had something to do with the DNC change of heart? Or perhaps the swamping if @dwstweets? Or The calls to Dems in congress saying stop this stupidity?

Or the fact the twitterverse and reddit both blew up. With users who were outraged and started posting that even if HRC won they would NEVER vote for her?

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
38. I'm sure that helped.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:33 AM
Dec 2015

But remember what our Hillary supporting friends will tell us about the internet.

"The internet isn't really indicative of what the people really think."

Ugh.

Pastiche423

(15,406 posts)
67. If Bernie was unsure if we would continue his
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:30 AM
Dec 2015

revolution before, he can relax now. A quarter of million people in 24 hours showed him we have his back.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
111. Yes, I don't think I have ever seen anything like it in my 74 years.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:39 AM
Dec 2015

We learned about the situation and then along with him we acted. Now that is real activism.

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liquidlarry

(4 posts)
57. In the morning?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:00 AM
Dec 2015

Why in the morning, They don't have someone to trip the switch on till morning... We are talking a presidential race...somebody needs to fix this now...

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
77. They have to fix the feature...err bug, that's right, bug
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:07 AM
Dec 2015

before morning as DWS has proclaimed that this "will never, ever, ever happen again". Can't give Sanders access til she can be assured that the DNC's last 7 years, at least, of knowingly harboring this bug has come to an end. And let's hope this is not a VW-like assurance.

Duppers

(28,460 posts)
58. Just got an email from MoveOn petition
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:01 AM
Dec 2015

That Bernie was given access.

However...

All's not forgiven here--damage has been done to DNC, DWS, and to Hillary.


SandersDem

(592 posts)
89. I remember
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:54 AM
Dec 2015

seeing her walking around on stage after the first DNC debate trying to say hello to the candidates. O Maley and Sanders ignored her. Hillary even distanced herself and would not respond while the cameras were on at least (that goes for all of them). I laughed at her aimless stage presence. Wonder how she is going to be greeted tomorrow?

This was not good for any of the candidates.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
101. luck with that
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:39 AM
Dec 2015

theres more shoes left to drop. Lets see what they have in their other pockets.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
102. This is not over
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:45 AM
Dec 2015

yes Sen. Sanders got his data back

now is the time to keep the pressure the DNC

more debates on the issues less favoritism

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
105. Oh no
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:14 AM
Dec 2015

now how will his supporters bash Hillary Clinton in grossly misogynist ways?

I'm sure they will figure out some way though.

And he still isn't going to win. Ask President Mondale.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
109. lmao. since NONE of this current event had to do with sexism
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:51 AM
Dec 2015

AT ALL your comment looks egregiously desperate. pulling that card now? wow...

smfh

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
120. Your retreat into false claims of misogyny prove that you know this was wrong on the DNC's part.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:10 PM
Dec 2015

Betrayed by your own words!

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