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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:30 PM Jan 2016

Missing U.S. Hellfire missile located in Cuba

Source: Washington Times

One of the most advanced U.S. missiles was unintentionally shipped to Cuba in 2014, according to a report Thursday evening in the Wall Street Journal.

The Hellfire missile was supposed to be sent to Europe for a training mission, the Journal reported, cited “people familiar with the matter.”

Shipping such a sophisticated weapon to a communist dictatorship with which the U.S. at the time didn’t have diplomatic relations and has been under U.S. embargo for a half-century would be among the worst mistakes of its kind in U.S. military history, the sources said.

The Hellfire is an air-to-surface missile that acquired its name from the Pentagon’s specification for a “helicopter-launched, fire and forget” missile. It equips, among other weapons platforms, the U.S. military’s Predator drones.



Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/7/missing-us-hellfire-missile-located-cuba/

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Missing U.S. Hellfire missile located in Cuba (Original Post) Little Tich Jan 2016 OP
What the hell! Little Star Jan 2016 #1
So we just Fed-Ex them now? bluedigger Jan 2016 #2
So what happened? Wrong f'ing zip code? CanonRay Jan 2016 #3
No tracking number? tazkcmo Jan 2016 #4
Did they ship it to Guantanamo? flamingdem Jan 2016 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #6
Someone in the mailroom messed up, ya. Octafish Jan 2016 #7
Maybe we can find kacekwl Jan 2016 #8
Anyone looking under Rummy's bed? nt AnotherDreamWeaver Jan 2016 #9
I thought it was 8 trillion. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #11
The solution is obvious: more money for the MIC!!! Scuba Jan 2016 #10
I was in the Army and this is amazing to me. Grins Jan 2016 #12
I don't want to be in a passenger plane Angel Martin Jan 2016 #13
Lockheed Martin was apparently responsible for shipping it. TwilightGardener Jan 2016 #14
The State Dept. is in charge of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations tammywammy Jan 2016 #16
Thanks, yes, that's what I read. Seems strange for the DoD not to control the movement TwilightGardener Jan 2016 #17
It was inert tammywammy Jan 2016 #15
Still the Cubans, Russians and god knows who else Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #18
Training models are pretty much just the outside shell. tammywammy Jan 2016 #19
It's a training "round" MosheFeingold Jan 2016 #20
Turns out it's an INERT missile jmowreader Jan 2016 #21

flamingdem

(39,333 posts)
5. Did they ship it to Guantanamo?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jan 2016

Did they expect Fidel to smoke it and then his beard would fall out?

What gives?

Response to Little Tich (Original post)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. Someone in the mailroom messed up, ya.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:34 AM
Jan 2016

Forgot to fire off the right mailing label on the ol' dot matrix Labelmaker. That's the ticket.

Grins

(7,245 posts)
12. I was in the Army and this is amazing to me.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jan 2016

First, why wasn't this shipped on an AF C-130? Instead it was put on Air France, which took it to Charles de Gaulle Airport and loaded it onto one of their flights to Cuba?

Second, why bring it back at all?

When I was a firing-range officer you had to sign for all the ammunition you took from the ammo point, make sure the amount they give you matches the paperwork - count it - and secure it. Worse you had to report back to the ammo point with any unexpended ammunition and count it. That was time and paperwork.

So what did we do if we had any left over? We shot it off. Report back to the ammo point and asked about the ammo, "Shot it all off, sir!" Sign the form and walk out the door.

They were on a field exercise. Why didn't they fire it off? Or give it to the Army in Germany?

Big screw-up.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
14. Lockheed Martin was apparently responsible for shipping it.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jan 2016

I don't know that it was the DoD's responsibility--the article in WSJ says the State Dept. is responsible, which is a weird law.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
16. The State Dept. is in charge of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jan 2016

Which oversees the export compliance and licensing of defense articles.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
17. Thanks, yes, that's what I read. Seems strange for the DoD not to control the movement
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jan 2016

of things like this.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
19. Training models are pretty much just the outside shell.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jan 2016

It wouldn't have any electronics in it. Probably couldn't gleam any info that couldn't be found via Google if you had an inert item.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
20. It's a training "round"
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jan 2016

No warhead, no propellant.

It does, however, have the brains and sensors of the weapon.

I would presume it's then just "equipment" which gets sent like anything else.

Stupid, I agree.

jmowreader

(50,569 posts)
21. Turns out it's an INERT missile
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jan 2016

It's just a fiberglass replica of a live missile that the Army gives units to train with. It's the same size, shape and weight as a live missile, but the only way you could kill anyone with it is to drop it on their heads.

The big question is, why did a US-based company ship something to a US military organization on a French-owned airplane?

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