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alp227

(32,072 posts)
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:12 AM Jan 2016

'Decamp immediately': Kate Brown steps up rhetoric on Oregon militants

Source: The Oregonian

Gov. Kate Brown on Thursday offered her strongest remarks yet on armed militants' six-day occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, calling the action "unlawful" and demanding the group "decamp immediately."

Brown's poke at "outsiders," in a statement issued by her office, came about the same time as Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward parleyed with protest leader Ammon Bundy about how to end the occupation without bloodshed.

Read more: http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/01/decamp_immediately_kate_brown.html

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'Decamp immediately': Kate Brown steps up rhetoric on Oregon militants (Original Post) alp227 Jan 2016 OP
About time. jalan48 Jan 2016 #1
Has the electricity finally been disconnected? TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #26
Some of them are staying in motels - LiberalElite Jan 2016 #2
They checked out when Goldwater got nominated Volaris Jan 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #3
What difference does it make if they're in motels? Ken Burch Jan 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #6
I. THINK. YOU. ARE. VERY. WRONG. ABOUT. THAT. trueblue2007 Jan 2016 #7
I doubt it, and I will mark your words. Who will we nominate instead? Shrike47 Jan 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #10
Why are you hostile to Brown? Kitzhaber's fall was his own fault. Brown did nothing wrong there. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #13
You just blamed her for Kitzhaber's resignation... Ken Burch Jan 2016 #14
I disagree that Kitz was a star fredamae Jan 2016 #24
So Obama caved to Cliven? busterbrown Jan 2016 #15
Why should a Governor rush out and jump into a federal issue? I recall that there was a lot of 24601 Jan 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #19
There are overlapping state and federal offenses here jberryhill Jan 2016 #27
The normal procedure is for the lead agency, in this case the FBI, to exercise tactical control at 24601 Jan 2016 #29
The reliance on local enforcement in this situation is a deliberate strategy jberryhill Jan 2016 #30
stating the obvious as she did, is not the same as "rushing out and jumping into a feral issue" LanternWaste Jan 2016 #31
I wasn't trying to imply that Gov Brown had rushed out and jumped into a federal issue. My point was 24601 Jan 2016 #32
And yet first thing Monday Brown issued this statement: Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #21
Present them with the bill and show them the door. Ford_Prefect Jan 2016 #4
This whole thing is ridiculous... Funerals for Blacks Seizing Federal Building Would Be Over By Now LS_Editor Jan 2016 #9
Damn straight. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #12
The FBI has learn much from the Waco/David Koresh situation.. okojo Jan 2016 #25
She's a Democrat so they consider her to be the enemy. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #17
TAKE THESE TERRORIST BASTARDS OUT WITH DRONES. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #20
Swat team is coming soon. Oneironaut Jan 2016 #22
I kind of hope they stay for a while Gore1FL Jan 2016 #23
Come on, guys! Will you PLEASE just CUT IT OUT!! Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #28
Good for Governor Brown. saltpoint Jan 2016 #33

jalan48

(13,907 posts)
1. About time.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:15 AM
Jan 2016

These protesters seem free to come and go as they please. Do TV interviews, get snacks at the PO that are sent to them, get drunk in town, etc. WTF is going on here?

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
26. Has the electricity finally been disconnected?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jan 2016

Personally, I think they should be apprehended when they leave and thrown in jail.

The rest can freeze to death and we'll just thaw them out at the end of winter.

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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
5. What difference does it make if they're in motels?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:51 AM
Jan 2016

It's just as brave as it would have been at any other point. Braver than Obama was when he totally caved to Cliven B. in the Nevada thing.

Response to Ken Burch (Reply #5)

Response to Shrike47 (Reply #8)

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
11. Why are you hostile to Brown? Kitzhaber's fall was his own fault. Brown did nothing wrong there.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:36 AM
Jan 2016

And there aren't any votes Kitzhaber could get that Brown can't.

Response to Ken Burch (Reply #11)

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
14. You just blamed her for Kitzhaber's resignation...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:45 AM
Jan 2016

...if that isn't hostile, what would be?

Why would you be dismissive of someone who has stepped up to the plate and become a great governor?

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
24. I disagree that Kitz was a star
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jan 2016

by the time the election came around aka: the fourth term - I believe many if not most voted Against ALEC's Dennis Richardson as the GOP candidate rather than "for" Kitz.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
15. So Obama caved to Cliven?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:44 AM
Jan 2016

Please... Calm down.. There are a few who make decisions in matters such as these before the Pres.
Unless yopu are tryingb to make a point.. Are You?

24601

(3,966 posts)
18. Why should a Governor rush out and jump into a federal issue? I recall that there was a lot of
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:37 AM
Jan 2016

hostility here when Arizona thought it would be a good idea to enforce immigration laws.

Response to 24601 (Reply #18)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. There are overlapping state and federal offenses here
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jan 2016

This is not somehow an exclusive "federal issue".

24601

(3,966 posts)
29. The normal procedure is for the lead agency, in this case the FBI, to exercise tactical control at
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jan 2016

the scene. State and local authorities will support; however, neither the Governor nor County Sheriff will be taking over local command unless it's delegated by the FBI SAIC. Given that the occupation involves a federal building on a national refuge, it isn't likely that the FBI will withdraw as lead agency.

There are plenty of support tasks to go around. For example, when a President visits, traffic and crowd control almost always is performed by local & state police while direct/close protection of the President and access to the event are performed by the Secret Service.

State & local law enforcement support to a lead federal agency is neither new nor contentious.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
31. stating the obvious as she did, is not the same as "rushing out and jumping into a feral issue"
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jan 2016

Seems that stating the obvious as she did, is not the same as "rushing out and jumping into a feral issue." You appear to conflate action and mere observation... whether that's due to agenda or simply poor reasoning, I don't pretend to know.

24601

(3,966 posts)
32. I wasn't trying to imply that Gov Brown had rushed out and jumped into a federal issue. My point was
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jan 2016

that since the response was being led by the FBI, there wasn't a necessity for the Governor to jump in and try to take the lead.

I was responding to 1000words (Reply #3) who was saying word to the effect that Gov Brown had been too timid until the "patriots" went on motel benders.

My point was that when the response is being led by the Feds, in this case the FBI, there is no compelling reason for a Governor to rush in and do anything.

I believe that her step-up in the rhetoric was measured and wasn't likely to move the scene towards violence.

A peaceful solution is the objective, right?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. And yet first thing Monday Brown issued this statement:
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jan 2016

"Although the FBI is the lead agency responding to the situation, my top priority is the safety of the people of Harney County and the City of Burns. The Oregon State Police has enhanced its presence in the area, augmenting local and federal public safety resources and assisting with community outreach. I look for a swift resolution that allows Harney County life to return to normal."

So it's the FBI that is calling the shots and it is the Federal authorities who are not speaking strongly. Using your characterization, the FBI is unable or unwilling to arrest a bunch of drunks at a motel. Why do you think that is the case?

LS_Editor

(893 posts)
9. This whole thing is ridiculous... Funerals for Blacks Seizing Federal Building Would Be Over By Now
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:23 AM
Jan 2016

They are lucky they are stupid White people...

Funerals for Blacks Seizing Federal Building Would Be Over By Now

WASHINGTON (The Nil Admirari) - Today, TNA released the results of a study on what would happen if a federal building was seized by a group of armed Black Americans last weekend. Its conclusion was if such a group seized a federal building and its members dared federal authorities to attack them their funerals would be ending right about now.

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Schneider continued, "Had they been Black Americans doing the same thing they would have had a 96.73% chance of being killed, and their funerals would be wrapped up by now. It was pretty much 100% if they had been Muslims."

okojo

(76 posts)
25. The FBI has learn much from the Waco/David Koresh situation..
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jan 2016

As long as there are no hostage present, the FBI has taken a wait and see approach. They did this with a Montana Standoff in the 1990s, and I am guessing that most of these terrorists are outsiders, and it appears they are already ripping into each other, that dis unity is becoming a problem.. The incident that split the Oath Keepers from these so called militia terrorists during the Cliven Bundy ranch standoff was "hard evidence" that Eric Holder has authorized drone strikes against those camped at the Bundy Ranch in Nevada. Oath Keepers wanted to leave, while many of the group now at Malheur Wildlife refuge, either drew weapons or threaten to shoot them..

Unless the situation deteriorates, or the FBI is going to be in the background, for now. I am guessing Oregon State Police will be more of a presence.

If these terrorist took over the Harney County Courthouse with hostages insides, there is no question there would a FBI or an Oregon State Police raid on the building. The Malheur Refuge is twenty to twenty five miles away from Burns, it is very isolated, and in some ways, if they barricaded in the refuge HQ, the terrorists are making their own prison.

I am also guessing the FBI is very well aware of the discontent within the Refuge Headquarters, besides most of these terrorists appear to be from Arizona and Nevada...

Oneironaut

(5,538 posts)
22. Swat team is coming soon.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jan 2016

Not that I think it's the best course of action, but Oregon's leadership is starting to get embarrassed. This makes them look like idiots.

Luckily, in the event of a raid, I highly doubt anything but a peaceful resolution would occur.

Gore1FL

(21,164 posts)
23. I kind of hope they stay for a while
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:58 AM
Jan 2016

The are both damaging their cause and providing endless comedy.

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