Dad thought son was intruder, kills him

[NeoConsSuck]

Source: USA Today

CINCINNATI — A father mistook his 14-year-old son for an intruder Tuesday and shot him in the neck, killing him, according to Cincinnati police.

The father had dropped off Georta Mack at a school bus stop, but the teen returned to his East Price Hill neighborhood home before 6:30 a.m. ET, police said.

Georta hid in the basement after coming back home and startled his father, who had retrieved a handgun. Georta's dad opened the basement door and fired his weapon, police said.

The father called 911, and the teen was taken to Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center but died about 90 minutes later. Cincinnati Police Lt. Steve Saunders said officers were interviewing the father, whose name was not released, and he has been cooperative.-

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/01/12/father-mistakenly-shoots-son/78676126/

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Another integral piece of a well regulated militia.

[onehandle]

1. Happens all the time.

It's the price of a misinterpreted for profit Second Amendment.

[louis-t]

2. And once again, a weapon that was supposed to 'perteck'

will never be used for its supposed 'purpose'. Instead, it has only brought grief and misery.

[JDPriestly]

3. We need an ad campaign that features one story after anoither tragic story like this to

tell people they should not keep guns in their homes. If they want to shoot a gun for sport, they should leave their gun in safe storage at a shooting range, but they should not keep a gun in their home.

What's with the paranoia in this country anyway.

[PatrynXX]

5. something to do :P with Obama banning the elections in the fall

no doubt

[KansDem]

6. KnR

[JudyM]

54. +1. Nt

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

4. "Who's there?"

Two words that would have changed the whole situation.

[virgogal]

9. Since he was hiding maybe he didn't answer.

[awoke_in_2003]

55. True, but one should visually identity the target

before shooting.

[virgogal]

87. Absolutely !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[passiveporcupine]

7. My Mom told me two stories I never forgot

First story:
She lived with her roommate Katie. Katie was a tough little gal and had a gun. One night they both heard a noise and came out into a darkened hallway in the house. Katie with her gun. She almost shot my Mom before she realized who it was.

Second story:

My Mom lost her key or left it home. She had to break in a window to get in her house. A cop saw her and came to stop a break in. He said "how do I know you live here?". She said "you try climbing in that window". He got near the window and was greeted by a large black growling dog. He said "Ok" and left her to her business of climbing in the window.

Those two stories combined taught me a life lesson.

Dogs are safer than guns for protection.

In this sad story, the kid would not have been attacked by his own dog, and if the father had not had a gun, he wouldn't be dead. Pretty simple when you think about it.

[alphafemale]

48. Gun nutters as opposed to responsible owners seen to have a fantasy about killing an intruder.

When you point out that home invasions are extremely rare and generally occur only if you are already operating with a criminal circle they try to talk about nonsense about flashing guns at people and ending a threat.

Of course, gun nutters see a car in their driveway or a person on their porch as a potential to carry out their fantasy. Though in all likelihood the person they just threatened to murder was doing something entirely innocent.

[kacekwl]

60. Certainly would get them a staring

role on every Fox program. Good guy with gun kills thug intruder.

[Egnever]

64. Great stories

And a good lesson.

[trillion]

65. Good stories. Yes, we got rid of the gun and brought in the lab. We love our dog!

What convinced the would be gun own in the family was that his son really is mentally unstable and on meds. Meanwhile our loving dog won't let anybody go by without letting them think he's dangerous. Deep barker and he enjoys telling them they can't come in his yard, not that anyone has ever tried, it's just his favorite thing to run to the end of the yard when he sees someone coming by and tell them. We have a big dog door so he covers both sides of the house and inside.

[tblue37]

81. Nowadays the cop would shoot the dog. nt

[Geronimoe]

8. If only the son had a gun

The son could have stood his ground with a gun!

[trillion]

71. Yep. And since this tragedy happend, the gunowner should go get more guns, and all his gunowner

friends should too, because that protects them from when gunowner-fail. The Sandyhook incident etc. There will always be crazy people, but will gunnuts give them access to their guns!

[FLPanhandle]

10. First off I feel for the father

I can't imagine living the rest of my life knowing I killed my child.

Hopefully others will learn from this tragedy.

[Geronimoe]

13. No! They won't learn

This stuff happens all the time.

[Hoppy]

38. It just happens to other people who are careless.

[47of74]

19. Yeah he'll have to live the rest of his life with that.

Bad enough losing a child to an accident, illness, or someone else's hand but to be the instrument of your own child's death...

[tazkcmo]

24. I would have killed myself right after that.

This is so sad.

[jonno99]

30. Yep - me too...nt

[Ed Suspicious]

11. When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail. Too bad the nail was a guy's kid, and

the hammer was his safety boomer.

[gordyfl]

12. It Does Happen All the Time

A couple of weeks ago a mother shot her daughter thinking she was an intruder. The daughter died. The gun was kept near the mother's bed to protect her from intruders she said.

A week later, a few blocks away, a 2 year found the gun in the back seat of their vehicle. The two year old shot himself and died.

http://www.ibtimes.com/gun-safety-2016-osceola-county-toddler-shot-self-near-st-cloud-florida-police-say-2249623

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-mom-accidentally-shot-killed-daughter-20151230-story.html

[Vinca]

14. Opened the basement door and fired his weapon.

An important rule of gun safety is to identify the target. The father should be charged with manslaughter.

[SoCalMusicLover]

18. Good Luck With That

They never charge a thing in cases like this.

He'll get his gun back, and will continue to enjoy his 2nd Amendment rights.

At least it sounds like he won't have anybody else living there to shoot in the future, and now any criminal will be aware not to go there, so he's got that going for him.

THANK GOD the gun was not harmed.

[Still In Wisconsin]

15. But wait...I thought we would all be safer when there were more

"good guys with guns."

[tabasco]

16. If only the son had been armed!

He could have defended himself!

[kestrel91316]

17. Well that's intentional murder. That the victim was NOT an intruder is beside the point.

[SoCalMusicLover]

20. Too Late

The "Accident" excuse is already in circulation. The pops will get thoughts and prayers, but absolutely zero charges. I'd be willing to be the Powerball jackpot on that.

He'll probably even set up a Go Fund Me page for the funeral expenses.

[anigbrowl]

51. And you know this how?

It sounds much like manslaughter to me. What are you basing this 'intentional' claim on? By the way, all murder is intentional, by definition.

[valerief]

21. Thank the lord he had his gun to defend his family!

[tazkcmo]

22. I'm not going to rag on this man.

He's going to suffer in his own kind of hell for the rest of his living life. He would no matter how his son died. I can vouch that the worse pain a parent can feel is the loss of a child. It's a hole that will never close. Now add to that pain the fact that this man did the killing. I hope he gets help before he does something to himself.

[Protalker]

31. Thanks for your humanity.

The dad drove his son to the bus stop at 6 AM. This is a good dad
In his mind the child was in school. He was defending his home. This is a tragedy for this family without malace.
.

[Human101948]

34. He was a dumbass!

Did he stop for a moment and say who's there? Apparently not.

These jackasses blast away not knowing what they're shooting at, which is a dumbass violation of every gun safety rule.

Let him suffer with his stupidity.

[lostnfound]

40. He was a dumbass and will suffer every minute. So will his wife and others.

I hope you never do something idiotic that costs a loved one their life.
Most of us know it's the human condition to be idiotic from time to time, in one way or another. We just hope we learn before something so awful as this happens.

[Fast Walker 52]

41. we should learn that guns facilitate death and most people should not have them

#fucktheNRA

[kacekwl]

62. Maybe now he will cancel

his NRA membership. Sad story that repeats itself daily.

[Aristus]

23. Used to be, when teenaged kids came home at night,

their parents were glad to see them...

[SansACause]

26. It was during the day.

The kid skipped school.

[trillion]

25. It doesn't say they're going to arrest him for involuntary manslaughter.

I figure the involuntary is only if he actually was startled and pulled the trigger. If it wasn't an accidental nut with his finger on the trigger then they should get him for intentional manslaughter since he planned to kill someone and did. Either way, this paranoid example of a gunnut should never be allowed to have guns again and should go to prison for manslaughter.

Instead he gets treated like every other white infantile gunnut, like it was a little boo boo that he killed someone and da poor yittle gunn nut shouldna have ta go ta jwail. Start charging these people for murder.

[PersonNumber503602]

27. Didn't some lady recently shoot her daughter when she came home unexpectedly?

Why would anyone shoot anything without identifying the target? Not just shooting, but inflicting any deadly force. How do so many people lack common sense?

[hollysmom]

76. her daughter did not live with her and was visiting

the mother forgot. She had a gun because she lived alone.

eta - I live alone an I have a dog. But no one ever seems to be killed by an intruder in this area.

[tblue37]

82. But in another recent case a cop and her husband (he is a police academy recruit)

opened fire on her mother who lived with them She had come home earlier than expected Christmas night, and both of them opened fire and shot her to death: They shot her 27 times!

http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/12/two-cops-accidentally-fire-27-rounds-mother-lives/

[hollysmom]

85. wow, they really must not have liked her, you would think that by the 25th bullet they would have

seen who they were shooting

[onecaliberal]

28. But, but, but, he's a good guy with a gun!!!!!

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. Pew pew

East Gunistan.

[Turbineguy]

32. It's a good thing

he took Wayne LaPierre's advice. After all, who would not want to spend the rest of his life regretting murdering his son?

[FrodosPet]

42. Fuck guns

Rest in peace, young man.

[lancer78]

33. feel bad for the dad.

He probably shouted "who is there" but the kid was so scared that he didn't answer. Should have gone to school. And before any says "don't blame the victim", well I am sorry, but the victim is the one who decided to play hooky.

[Human101948]

35. You are working hard to salvage some sympathy for this dumbass...

Did he bother to actually see what he was shooting at? I don't think so.

Here are the rules according to a gun enthusaiast--

http://thefederalist.com/2015/02/24/14-things-everyone-should-understand-about-guns/

These are rules literally every person should understand, because you never know when you might be in a situation that requires you to handle a firearm. To seasoned gun owners, these basic gun safety rules are gospel. If faithfully followed, they will prevent the likelihood of you ever shooting someone who did not pose an immediate and mortal threat to an innocent person.

1. Treat all guns as though they are loaded.
2. Never point the muzzle at anything you don’t intend to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you’re prepared to fire.
4. Always confirm your target, as well as what’s in front, behind, and around it.

[lancer78]

57. There were 2 dumbasses

in this scenario. This man will suffer for the rest of his life.

[LisaL]

61. Skipping school shouldn't be a death penalty crime.

[CreekDog]

69. and the boy can't

stop talking about the dad as if he is the victim.

[melm00se]

78. jury results

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[ejbr]

36. even with this scenario,

he could have warned the nonresponsive person that he has a gun and will shoot.

[kiri]

39. keep the door closed and call 911

He could have kept the cellar door closed and called 911. And waited. Being over-anxious to "protect" is a bad mental state.

[Lancero]

37. Looking through a old school handbook, I don't see it mention - anywhere - that the penalty...

For skipping school is death.

I suppose you might be reading from a newer handbook though.

[paleotn]

43. That's got to be the worst case of ....

logic torture I've seen in quite some time. Pathetic, really.

I suppose you weren't taught one of many cardinal rules of firearm safety I was. That being, in my father's words,...don't you ever, EVER shot at ANYTHING until you are absolutely, positively, without a single shred of doubt sure of what or who it is. Period. End of lesson.

Blindly shooting into a dark basement like some fucking moron more than a little bit violates that commandment. And from my Dad, those most certainly were commandments. Made such an impression on me, I can still here his voice to this day. The perp should have his firearm privileges revoked for life since he obviously can't be trusted to handle them safely.

[blackspade]

46. Did I just read that???!!!

Christ on a fucking crutch.

What a disgusting statement.

[lostnfound]

47. He was FOURTEEN, a notoriously stupid age, and playing hooky is not a capital crime

School has become a truly terrible experience for a lot of kids.
I feel bad for the dad, too, but much worse for the kid. It is so horrible. I hope he died quickly and didn't even have time to scream or suffer.

On edit. He actually lived 90 minutes, died at the hospital. The father is 73 years old.

So very tragic.

[Marty McGraw]

73. that is one

old Father....

With so few years ahead of them, why are the older folk so fearful these days?

Silly me. Three Letters. FOX (oh... and NRA)

[blackspade]

44. How awful.

But the father was a dumbshit.

I mean, he couldn't have investigated before firing?
Looked maybe?

Poor kid.

[Dont call me Shirley]

45. Georta...

A life lost too soon.

[leftyladyfrommo]

49. These things are so sad.

Seems like Ithey happens about every other day.

[IronLionZion]

50. Conservatives want us all to be terrified constantly

bad guys are coming to kill you unless you kill them first.

Which is why the NRA has blocked our government from even studying gun deaths to see how many were self defense vs accidents like this. They don't want us to know the numbers.

And they don't want to know how many of their own supporters are lost in cases like this. That dad is probably going to hate himself for a long time after this.

[RandySF]

52. I would like to know

How many real intruders are shot as opposed to mistaken intruders. I suspect the latter far outnumbers the former.

[alphafemale]

53. A gun nutter sees a car in their driveway as a threat and is preparing to shoot.

A teenage kid knocking on their door is a threat.

Home invasions are extremely rare.

I would be somewhat cautious but would also assume there was a 99.99% chance this encounter would be innocuous or someone needing help.

[taught_me_patience]

56. The father will probably turn the gun on himself when this sinks in n/t

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

58. Who opens basement door and fires a weapon in the dark?

With my luck I would hit my water heater.

[ManiacJoe]

59. A typical result of violating Gun Safety Rule #4.

#4 - Identify your target, what is behind it, and what is beyond it.

Unfortunately, this shooting was not an accident.

[laundry_queen]

63. I think what a lot of this gun safety stuff overlooks

is that a lot of people with guns are scared, fallible human beings. Many are not going to remember every.single.safety.tip.ever.taught when scared out of their minds when they hear someone prowling in their house. And that is exactly why guns should not be so goddamn common. It takes real training to operate guns safely most of the time, never mind all of the time. I will never forget that episode of preppers where the dad went on and on about gun safety to his kid. On and on and on. Showing off for the camera I guess. Then, shocking I know, he shot off his thumb. As he was being airlifted away his kid says, "Dad, you aren't supposed to put any part of your hand in front of the barrel you know. Ever. You always said." The point being...humans are human.

The stories I have from our town's facebook 'share' page of drunk out of town cousins or friends walking home alone from the local pub into the neighbor's house by mistake instead of the place they are visiting and crashing on the sofa of the wrong house...and being ushered out of the house none too gently by a screaming wife and angry husband. Many houses around here look the same (the first month I moved into my new townhouse, i pulled into the wrong driveway in the dark, LOL). Some drunk guy from down the street got lost and tried to get into a bunch of people's houses around here...a bunch of us called the cops who looked at his ID and escorted him to his actual home about 20 doors down. Imagine if we lived in the US with guns everywhere...a lot of drunk people would now be dead because...they got drunk and were dumb. Like no one ever did dumb shit before.

I just think everyone would be safer if there were just fewer guns. Period.

[ManiacJoe]

67. Are you suggesting that you would shoot

someone who was crashed on your sofa if you had a gun available to you?
That would be both illegal and immoral.

[laundry_queen]

68. ...

No. That's not what I'm saying. At all.

[trillion]

66. Very sad for the son. Yes, guns make homes less safe. You can bet this guy choose the gun over

his families safety in some cognitive dissonance that he was somehow keeping them safe - statistically a fail the second the gun appeared on the premisis.

[truthisfreedom]

70. First thing to do, and next thing to do.

1 make it MANDATORY for doctors to warn people about the dangers of having a gun in the house.

2 mandatory gun training for ALL members of a family with a gun in the home where it is recommended that they establish a signal system to identify themselves when entering the home.

Second one doesn't help in this case... Kid snuck home.

[truthisfreedom]

72. Third thing.

Immediately begin federally funded research on gun violence.

[ManiacJoe]

74. What would be an example of what you hope to learn?

[maxsolomon]

83. sure, spitball some research ideas so Maniac Joe can shoot them down!

don't take the bait.

[ManiacJoe]

88. Almost has humorous as Hoyt's gun posts.

[maxsolomon]

89. I can only aspire to Hoyt's greatness

but I'm not playing "Gun Control Hypotheticals" for you RKBA Constitutional Scholars, and I'm encouraging everyone else to do the same.

[passiveporcupine]

75. You know what?

If you are home alone (or at least think you are) and you hear a noise that makes you think someone is prowling in your house, get the hell out...go to a neighbor and call the cops. Let them check out who is in the house.

why does everyone with a gun think they are trained to handle situations like dealing with intruders. Not all intruders need to be shot. It might even just be a raccoon! Not every robber is armed and dangerous, and not every theft deserves a penalty of death.

If you have a gun and aim it at someone, you better mean to kill them...otherwise, don't aim it at them...or don't have a gun. Why do so many think it's OK to kill another human being?

[Art_from_Ark]

77. There are some things that don't add up for me here

First, the father supposedly drives his son to a school bus stop, well before 6:30 a.m. But that house looks like it is in a highly urbanized area-- just how far away is the school? And just how long does it take to go to his school? And the kid comes back before 6:30 a.m. and hides in the basement? If the kid and father got along well, why would the kid feel he needed to hide from his father? And the father just shoots point blank into the basement? I am really scratching my head over this one.

[TexasBushwhacker]

79. The kid was going to skip school

He was going to hide out in the basement until dad went to work. That's my guess.

[maxsolomon]

86. Further things that don't add up

1. CPS says the kid hadn't been enrolled since May. that's LAST school year. maybe this was the kid's MO for hiding his expulsion from his dad?

2. who breaks into a house at 6:30 am? no one, that's who - criminals are sleeping at that time. paranoid gun owners should know that. maybe 73 year old dad was going dotty?

lots of kids in urban neighborhoods take school buses. I did. especially if they go to a magnet school, of which Cincy has many.

[Matrosov]

80. Four rules of gun safety

1) Treat each and every firearm as if it were loaded and ready to fire
2) Never point the firearm at anything you're not willing to shoot
3) Always identify your target and be aware of what is behind it*
4) Keep your finger off the trigger until you are 100% ready to shoot

*this is in case the bullet penetrates through the target and hits someone or something behind

There are a few comments that seem to put equal blame on the father (for shooting) and the son (for hiding), but given these four basic rules, I would say 100% of the blame is on the father. He didn't identify the target at which he was shooting.

[maxsolomon]

84. Georta?

I presume that Dad knows there's a typical Cincy dish called Goetta, consisting of fried ground pork mixed with pinhead oatmeal. It's one letter off.