Blue Cross customers fume as insurer scrambles to fix ACA enrollment errors
Source: The News & Observer
But the scale of the malfunctions exceeded anything Blue Cross officials had expected, and customers now worry the insurance giants miscues could leave them uninsured for weeks until the situation is resolved. The difficulties have become so widespread that this week the N.C. Department of Justice sent Blue Cross a letter asking it to explain what went wrong, how many customers were affected and how it plans to rectify the billing errors that were made in recent weeks.
. . . Of the estimated 25,000 customers who didnt get the health insurance policy they had selected, about 17,000 remained to be processed Thursday, Blue Cross officials said Thursday. The companys goal is to activate coverage retroactively to Jan. 1 for customers who made their first payment to Blue Cross.
. . . . But customers are concerned that amid the chaos, if their policies turn out not to be valid on Saturday, Jan. 16, they not only will go uninsured in January but they also would have missed Fridays federal deadline to apply for health insurance for a Feb. 1 effective date. If that happens, these customers would likely have to go without health insurance for two months as a result of Blue Cross mistakes.
. .. . As of Thursday, the N.C. Department of Insurance had received 168 complaints from Blue Cross customers. The department is forwarding names to Blue Cross of individual customers who should be prioritized for health coverage, flagging priority matters with very sad case, and urgent! and we can feel the frustration mounting from consumers!
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The CEO Brad Wilson claims there are backups in other states and tried in part to blame this on the ACA. Because BCBS was dumb enough to shift to a new data management system at the precise time they brought some of this on themselves.
But, the frustration here (which have engaged Mr. Zazen in at least 20 hours on the phone over the past two months and me in 7) also include the increased premiums and deductibles for many and the major shift in in and out of network coverage. That means many people are having to look for new doctors.
In North Carolina at least, the GOP has deliberately made a mess of this by not expanding Medicaid, but the involvement of private insurers in ACA was a mess from the start. I credit Obama for making a major agenda item and fighting them to get what little we had, but it's made it clear that privatizing health insurance is a disaster.
What some mainstream Dems and Republicans don't get is how angry and frustrated people are in general--and people who support the ACA and concept of healthcare for all are just saying screw it, we need some kind of fiat to give Medicare to everyone. They see the comparative ease of Medicare for their older relatives. Trump-ists etc. I guess want to see it dismantled so they can go back to the low premiums-due-to-not-insuring-actual-sick-people days of the 1980s.
I know HRC is trying to be pragmatic about Single Payer but I doubt she grasps how frustrating it is when you're underemployed and terrified about your future to have layers of bullshit, cost, and exhaustion added to your healthcare worries.
drm604
(16,230 posts)Your article is about NC so this isn't totally related but it is Blue Cross. About a week before Christmas I tried to get a routine refill on a necessary prescription that I've taken for years. They totally screwed things up and it took weeks (and hours on the phone) for me to get the medicine. I finally got it this past Saturday, but not before I ran out and was sick for several days.
zazen
(2,978 posts)had I not been able to figure out their glitch before I ran out. That's if I hadn't ended up DEAD.
I am so sorry you went through this.
I'm sure there will be petty refill rules and changes on Medicare for all too, but because it's one insurer then they'd get widespread complaints with every system-wide screw-up, which would I hope make them a little more accountable.
It's the accumulation of frustrating experiences just to get health insurance, let alone health _care_, that is driving people, especially ones who are sick, out of their minds.
underpants
(182,791 posts)I used to be in contact with insurance companies on a daily basis related to pharmaceuticals. They are commonly known as "The Blues" in the industry.
mpcamb
(2,870 posts)Here's something about being denied by your insurance company.
Don't know how reliable it is; it's kind of snarky:
http://www.snopes.com/hipaa-medical-hack-insurance-claim-denials/#
TexasBushwhacker
(20,185 posts)I heard they were worse.
cynzke
(1,254 posts)Businesses that are regulated to some degree by ACA and State Departments of Insurance. This explains how insurance companies are regulated regarding drug coverage by ACA and States. Insurance companies still have a big say on how and what drugs they will cover or not and they have the OPTION to change their plans. Just because a drug you take today if fully covered, the insurance company can change the rules on drugs not mandated as essentials. They can also change brands on generic drugs. http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/12/10/3042741/drugs-obamacare-coverage/
drm604
(16,230 posts)There was total confusion within the insurance company about their own rules. Plus, the pharmacies were just as confused.
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)and spend them on things other than actual, you know, healthcare.
BCBS is, through it's failure to perform this basic function, making the case for single payer.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)We need government to fix our major problems!
D Gary Grady
(133 posts)Don't get me wrong; I prefer single payer myself. Experience has shown it to be the most cost effective by far. And even with private insurance, the government does need to get involved in regulating the coverage and subsidizing the costs for low-income persons.
But plenty of developed countries achieve universal coverage with private insurance companies, including Germany, Japan, the Netherlands, and Switzerland, among others. (If someone thinks I'm mistaken about that or that single-payer is universal in developed countries outside the U.S., please take a few minutes to look it up. One place to start is a web search for "how does health insurance work in other countries."
weknowvino2
(62 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Yeah, right!!
D Gary Grady
(133 posts)A non-profit organization actually can make a profit; it just can't distribute it to shareholders because it doesn't have shareholders. When non-profit insurance companies make a profit they either add it to their reserves against future losses or in some cases rebate premiums to their customers (as Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina did a few years ago, and amazingly enough this was their own idea and not required by the ACA).
The mess described here is so ridiculous that people are still waiting for bills for the coverage they've had starting January 1. They did send out new insurance cards in December, though.
Passing bit of trivia in case it isn't mentioned elsewhere in the thread: There's no single "Blue Cross" insurance company. The trademark is shared by independent insurers, some for-profit and some non-profit. The Wikipedia article has more on this oddity.
forest444
(5,902 posts)Blue Cross would like nothing better than to contribute to the Rethug narrative that "Obamacare is a disaster." And what better to help a bad-faith cause than creating the disaster yourself (as Cheney knows so well).
zazen
(2,978 posts)ACA would have always been highly imperfect but the degree of mess we're facing now is the responsibility of the venal Republicans who would rather score points and let people die than accept Medicaid expansion, save lives, and actually create jobs and improve the NC economy.
forest444
(5,902 posts)Especially in an election year.
D Gary Grady
(133 posts)Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina actually supported the ACA and promoted it in its advertising and PR going back several years. There was no reason for it to oppose the ACA, because they knew it was bringing them lots of additional customers paying subsidized premiums. The problem really is incredible incompetence in rolling out an apparently untested new system. As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, they haven't even managed to get out the bills that should have mailed in mid-December.
I know it's tempting to blame this kind of thing on corporate evil (of which there is plenty!), but when it comes to fracking things up evil has nothing on stupidity.
cynzke
(1,254 posts)The people who signed up will be covered and there should not be a gap in actual coverage just because there are glitches in processing the applications and issuing a physical policy with id cards. These are problems that can be resolved and will be. ACA is not healthcare. ACA regulates health insurance companies.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)yeah Iowa says thats bc/bs but it's bs they really screwed me fore years. hence why ACA had to be done. Except the ACA was a step, Congress was supposed to help fix the problems and they didn't , they did the opposite.
cynzke
(1,254 posts)are internal operational problems in that state. Not ACA as the CEO tries to divert the problem to the federal exchange. If this was the fault of ACA, the other carriers would be experiencing the same problem.
D Gary Grady
(133 posts)Not only that, BCBSNC isn't the only health insurer selling on the exchanges in NC (though it's by far the largest). The other companies in this state don't seem to have been affected at all.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)They know that most people who can wait will do so until this issue is squared away because the hospitals will not put them on the OR schedule until they know for sure that the person is covered. In the insurance game, holding on to money for an extra two months means a lot, given the sums in question. Plus, some folks will die without the care, which saves the insurer money.
D Gary Grady
(133 posts)Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina was supposed to send out bills in mid-December for coverage in January. No one I know has yet received a bill. But people have received new health insurance cards, and Blue Cross indicates it will pay medical bills incurred in January. In fact, I just drove someone to Duke on Wednesday and there was no problem with their Blue Cross insurance as far as coverage went.
I understand your cynicism, but in this case what you say just isn't true as fas as I can tell. I think we'd be well-advised not to present suspicions and conjectures as if they were facts. Remember, we're not running for the Republican nomination.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)It would be if everyone was enrolled automatically in Medicare as soon as they were born. It would suck to not have to shop around and sign up for new insurance every year. It would suck to not have to change doctors every year. It would suck to not spend hours combing through paperwork and on the phone trying to get them to do what they promised to do. Socialism!
Screw blue cross, the rest of the death merchants, all the politicians who take their money, and fuck everyone at du who supports this system
Danmel
(4,913 posts)And surgery even though I was admitted through the emergency room. They said I could have had iv fluid! My liver enzymes were more than 20x normal. They eventually reversed, and the hospital would have been on the hook, not me personally, but still what was I supposed to do? Leave against medical advice, on the chance they would deny my care even though I had 48 hours from admission to even first report it? It is ridiculous.
Thankfully I am feeling much better now.