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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:56 PM Jan 2016

Obama bans solitary confinement for juveniles in federal prisons

Source: Washington Post

President Obama on Monday announced a ban on solitary confinement for juvenile offenders in the federal prison system, saying the practice is overused and has the potential for devastating psychological consequences.

In an op-ed that appears in Tuesday editions of The Washington Post, the president outlines a series of executive actions that also prohibit federal corrections officials from punishing prisoners who commit “low-level infractions” with solitary confinement. The new rules also call for expanding treatment for mentally ill prisoners.

The president’s reforms are expected to affect about 10,000 inmates.

The reforms come six months after Obama, as part of a broader criminal-justice reform push, ordered the Justice Department to study how solitary confinement was being used by the federal Bureau of Prisons.

The move is another example of the extent to which the nation’s first African American president now seems willing to tackle delicate questions of race and criminal justice as he closes out his presidency. Obama has also been focused on trying to put in place programs to help ex-offenders reintegrate into society once they have left prison.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-bans-solitary-confinement-for-juveniles-in-federal-prisons/2016/01/25/056e14b2-c3a2-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html

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Obama bans solitary confinement for juveniles in federal prisons (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 OP
If I ever ended up in prison, I think I would prefer solitary FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #1
Most people really go insane in solitary. We are social animals. We need each other. mucifer Jan 2016 #2
It actually causes organic brain changes Richard D Jan 2016 #3
Most people FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #5
I volunteer with this group: mucifer Jan 2016 #6
So make friends with the guards. They're human too. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #18
I think some people are confusing solitary with prisoner segregation. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #20
Id rather solitary if I ever get jail too yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #4
The negative effects are so wide-ranging it's mind-boggling ... brett_jv Jan 2016 #17
When I was a youngster I dropped acid about 50 times. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #19
There is solitary and there is protective custody alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #7
Solitary confinement is in the pitch-black dark Reter Jan 2016 #8
I think that's a dungeon. FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #24
I agree. I fully admit however, that I could be wrong - having never been FORCED into solitary...nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #26
I think people may have an unrealistic view of solitary confinement. mountain grammy Jan 2016 #9
You have an unrealistic view of prisons. former9thward Jan 2016 #12
Third World prisons ought not be the measure of First World prisons. merrily Jan 2016 #15
are you being deliberately obtuse? niyad Jan 2016 #21
Are you? former9thward Jan 2016 #22
and the cheerleading for "the greatest, bestest country in the WHOLE world" goes on. niyad Jan 2016 #25
You clearly are a fan of hyperbole no matter how untrue. former9thward Jan 2016 #27
you made the original statement about how great our prisons are, so it is your responsibility niyad Jan 2016 #29
Please link to where I said "how great our prisons are" former9thward Jan 2016 #32
right.... everyone knows what you are doing here. do keep trying, we need the laughs. niyad Jan 2016 #33
Asked you to link to what you said I said. former9thward Jan 2016 #34
so glad I can amuse. you defended our disgusting prison system, we are simply asking you niyad Jan 2016 #35
Please link to where it is "among the world's worst". former9thward Jan 2016 #36
Here's a list cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #39
From yourlink: former9thward Jan 2016 #41
Well done President Obama. RichVRichV Jan 2016 #10
Praise the Goddess libodem Jan 2016 #11
Solitary confinement is a form of torture. Little Tich Jan 2016 #13
This is a good thing. Thank you, President Obama. merrily Jan 2016 #14
WOOO-HOOOO!!! brett_jv Jan 2016 #16
it is disgusting that such a barbaric practice has taken so long to be addressed. niyad Jan 2016 #23
A good start. Ban for everyone. mahannah Jan 2016 #28
Bucket list! POTUS has a lot to do this year. Hekate Jan 2016 #30
So what do they do to kids who are violent in prison? NobodyHere Jan 2016 #31
I could be wrong... iandhr Jan 2016 #37
obama has been great on civil rights redruddyred Jan 2016 #38
I'm a little confused about this. Vinca Jan 2016 #40
How many juveniles are in the federal system? bluestateguy Jan 2016 #42
Surprising expediency. hughee99 Jan 2016 #43

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
1. If I ever ended up in prison, I think I would prefer solitary
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:00 PM
Jan 2016

I don't think I'd last too long in the General population.

Give me a few books and solitary would be great.

How many juveniles are in solitary because it's safer? Seems like it's just throwing them to the wolves.

mucifer

(23,537 posts)
2. Most people really go insane in solitary. We are social animals. We need each other.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jan 2016

It's horrific. But, so is life in the general population. People in solitary after a while frequently start cutting themselves and behaving more aggressively.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
20. I think some people are confusing solitary with prisoner segregation.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jan 2016

I would want to be segregated from the worst type of violent criminal, but solitary would probably make me even nuttier than I already am.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
17. The negative effects are so wide-ranging it's mind-boggling ...
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:55 AM
Jan 2016

Did you know it even damages your eyes if you're kept in it long enough? Imagine months on end where the FURTHEST thing away from yourself you can look at at ANY TIME ... is the cold grey concrete wall across from you in a 20x20ft 'exercise yard'. You can permanently lose your ability to focus on 'far off' things.

But even worse ... really think about ... talking to NOBODY ... for months on end. Not even the guards. The only sounds you hear are clanging and pained, muffled shouts of people being driven slowly insane around you.

They don't give you paper, pens, pencils (as a matter of course ... you may be able to lobby for tiny dull pencils and paper if you have some excuse) ... and obviously no computer, ipod, TV ... you may get books for like the 12 hrs a day they probably keep the lights on and that's IT.

It's f'ing torture, man ... you might THINK you'd rather be there ... but a couple days actually in it I bet would convince you otherwise. People kill and maim themselves ALL the time in solitary, and come out of it permanently damaged psychologically. We're NOT designed for it.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
7. There is solitary and there is protective custody
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jan 2016

They are not the same thing.

This order does not order that protected inmates be "unprotected." It bans special housing units being used as punishment against juvenile offenders, not well-run protective custody units.


 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
8. Solitary confinement is in the pitch-black dark
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jan 2016

There are no lights, no books, and even no bars to look out of. It is just you, your toilet, and total darkness. Otherwise, everyone would prefer it if it was like a normal cell.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
24. I think that's a dungeon.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jan 2016

The solitary confinement cells I've seen even in super max prisons aren't dark holes.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
26. I agree. I fully admit however, that I could be wrong - having never been FORCED into solitary...nt
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jan 2016

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
9. I think people may have an unrealistic view of solitary confinement.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:01 AM
Jan 2016

It's not a private room with bath and shelves of books to keep you company. It's punishment, severe and inhumane.

I'm glad the President is addressing our prison issues. We are among the worst in the world.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
12. You have an unrealistic view of prisons.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:57 AM
Jan 2016

Our prisons are better than all of the prisons in what used to be called the Third World.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
15. Third World prisons ought not be the measure of First World prisons.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:48 AM
Jan 2016

In fact, Third World prisons ought not be the measure of Third Wold prisons.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
22. Are you?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jan 2016

The poster I replied to said our prisons "were among the worst in the world". That is utterly false. If you believe that then you have never been outside of the U.S.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
27. You clearly are a fan of hyperbole no matter how untrue.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:05 PM - Edit history (1)

I am not. Make arguments with facts not silly exaggerations.

niyad

(113,278 posts)
29. you made the original statement about how great our prisons are, so it is your responsibility
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jan 2016

to back that statement up with facts, not silly exaggerations.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
32. Please link to where I said "how great our prisons are"
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:37 AM
Jan 2016

The poster said our prisons were the worst in the world. I challenged that. You won't link because you can't. You lied. Everyone on DU knows that.

niyad

(113,278 posts)
35. so glad I can amuse. you defended our disgusting prison system, we are simply asking you
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jan 2016

to provide the appropriate links.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
36. Please link to where it is "among the world's worst".
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jan 2016

Since that is your position. Who is the "we"? No one besides you has asked me anything. Do you have multiple accounts?

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
39. Here's a list
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:15 AM
Jan 2016

of the 25 most brutal prisons in the world. The United States occupies 6 prisons on this list. If you don't like this source I am sure I could find you other sources that will say basically the same thing. Not only do we have terrible prisons, we have people in prison who shouldn't be there.

http://list25.com/25-most-brutal-prisons-in-the-world/5/

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
41. From yourlink:
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jan 2016
remember…most of the worst prisons in the world are not in democratic, fair trial countries

And who the hell is "ASIA KHATOON" who made the "list"? I can make lists of everything all day long and post them on the internet. What does that mean? BTW there are people in prison who shouldn't be there in every country of the world -- even those you think are cool.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
16. WOOO-HOOOO!!!
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:41 AM
Jan 2016

This is great news. Kids should not be put in 'Solitary', and it needs to be used sparingly in adults. Some guard not liking how you looked at him shouldn't be enough to get you locked up all by yourself for months on end. Nor should demonstrably mentally-ill persons be placed in it. And nobody should be in it for more than 1 month stints, save maybe the most dangerous terrorists (i.e. when nat'l security is legitimately involved). Solitary is basically torture, and not suitable for a civilized society. Esp. not when arbitrarily handed out by Wardens ... instead of Juries and Judges.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
38. obama has been great on civil rights
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:25 AM
Jan 2016

imo solitary confinement should've never been a practice in the first place
i grew up in a place with a hella bad & corrupt police department and it's definitely colored the way i understand criminal justice.
ESPECIALLY with all this nonsense we hear nowadays about cops killing people, oh god.
drug users are incarcerated while the banksters walk free. i'm learning more and more about women going to prison for trivial and bad reasons and this bothers me a lot too. i don't think our cops and judges are doing their jobs right. i think they're lazy, stupid and corrupt.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
40. I'm a little confused about this.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:33 AM
Jan 2016

Wouldn't it be very dangerous to put juveniles in with the general population?

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
43. Surprising expediency.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jan 2016

I can't remember the last time a government entity went from calling for a study to taking action in just 6 months.

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