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appalachiablue

(41,199 posts)
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:01 PM Jan 2016

Sanders Becomes 3rd Senator to Block Obama's Pick for FDA

Source: AP/MSN

WASHINGTON — Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is blocking President Barack Obama's nominee to head the Food and Drug Administration, the third senator to do so.

The Vermont independent said in a statement Tuesday that Dr. Robert Califf's ties to the pharmaceutical industry are too strong. Califf was a cardiologist and medical researcher at Duke University for more than 30 years.

Democratic Sen. Edward Markey of Massachusetts said Monday he had placed a hold on the nomination because the agency has not been tough enough on the abuse of opioid painkillers.

Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska also placed a hold due to concerns about the FDA's approval of genetically engineered salmon.

Margaret Hamburg left the job early last year. Dr. Stephen Ostroff is serving as acting head of the agency.

Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sanders-becomes-3rd-senator-to-block-obamas-pick-for-fda/ar-BBoIXxP?ocid=spartandhp



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Sanders Becomes 3rd Senator to Block Obama's Pick for FDA (Original Post) appalachiablue Jan 2016 OP
We need a policy that is tougher on drug abusers. What could go wrong? Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #1
That jumped out at me, too Politicub Jan 2016 #11
My mom's friend is probably addicted to oxycotin gvstn Jan 2016 #30
I'd like to see them crack down on the way ER's issue opiod based pain relief DebJ Jan 2016 #16
What's the connection between opoids and bipolar? Lars39 Jan 2016 #32
Well, I'll just mention a few things here. DebJ Jan 2016 #43
I think the problem is that the pharma industry produces so many opiods that they valerief Jan 2016 #20
Only 1 'hold' has a valid reason, other 2 are BS IMO groundloop Jan 2016 #2
genetic salmon is not bs roguevalley Jan 2016 #10
I don't think they're BS WestMichRad Jan 2016 #13
K & R AzDar Jan 2016 #3
K&R. Duval Jan 2016 #4
Obama is simply trying to appoint the people nyabingi Jan 2016 #5
The Naked Truth billhicks76 Jan 2016 #12
Credit to Sanders and any others who do not approve this important FDA appt. appalachiablue Jan 2016 #6
Holds are only good if Democrats do it Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #7
Is Sanders a Democrat? maxsolomon Jan 2016 #9
No angrychair Jan 2016 #17
Since only the first hold really "counts," I was talking about Markey Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #19
Well Democrats tend to have better reasoning behind their decisions Bradical79 Jan 2016 #53
Go Bernie Go!!!!!! leftcoastmountains Jan 2016 #8
K&R CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #14
Ooooh. Sanders is mad about Obama's Clinton endorsement. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #15
How the fuck did I miss you? Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #27
When did it become acceptable for a Democratic President to appoint corporate and Wall Street.... raindaddy Jan 2016 #18
Since there was a Democratic Party? maxsolomon Jan 2016 #21
FDR's Sec. of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, Jr...... raindaddy Jan 2016 #22
Jimmy Carter - Werner Blumenthal BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #24
The only Democrats who appoint Wall Street insiders to positions such as Sec of Treasury or ..... raindaddy Jan 2016 #25
Goal-post changing are we? BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #31
There's a huge difference between the Blumenthal appointment being the former head of Bendix a raindaddy Jan 2016 #34
Uh no BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #35
The FDR administration regulated the big banks so he stays out from under the bus... raindaddy Jan 2016 #46
The FDR Administration BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #47
You can't seem to stay on one topic while you blatantly invent your own history... raindaddy Jan 2016 #49
I gave examples BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #51
I posted "facts" which you ignored . raindaddy Jan 2016 #52
You already discredited yourself BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #54
If you want to claim a President who created programs that created jobs and better lives for poor raindaddy Jan 2016 #56
Look up who Vivian Malone is BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #58
There's a huge distinction between men and women who actually had the integrity and the courage raindaddy Jan 2016 #59
Sorry but the strawman argument is a fail. BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #60
Good luck with using race as a bludgeoning device... raindaddy Jan 2016 #61
Shows how much your continued arguments miss the point. nt BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #62
Yes there is dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #37
"Obama has favored patent lawyers" BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #44
wtf? so off-base it's just weird. dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #45
So dead-on that it went whoosh over the head! BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #48
Well said..Bernie has already made a commitment to not appointing foxes, Hillary abstained... raindaddy Jan 2016 #50
No problem with successful "business" people being management in government. The problem LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #28
Yep! It's way past time to change the Democratic party back to where the public's welfare is the. raindaddy Jan 2016 #29
Big problem with "business" people running government BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #33
good for bernie..,its an incestuous pick restorefreedom Jan 2016 #23
Thanks for this context! dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #39
yw. :) nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #40
Three honest Senators Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #26
Back in the '60s, we had J. William Fulbright, Frank Church, Mike Mansfield, Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #36
Yes we did. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #38
I started paying attention around 1966 Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #41
I used to watch all of those on Sunday mornings. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #42
I was fascinated when J. William Fulbright was on Meet the Press Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #55
FDA is a joke. ozone_man Jan 2016 #57

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
1. We need a policy that is tougher on drug abusers. What could go wrong?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jan 2016

"Democratic Sen. Edward Markey of Massachusetts said Monday he had placed a hold on the nomination because the agency has not been tough enough on the abuse of opioid painkillers."

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
11. That jumped out at me, too
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jan 2016

The real victims will be people who are in pain who will need to jump through more hoops for medication.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
30. My mom's friend is probably addicted to oxycotin
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:32 PM
Jan 2016

For leg pain. He's 90. The make him drive to the doctor's every month to get paper prescription, drive back and then give ten kinds of I'D. to pick us medicine. It just seems cruel at this point. I don't think he faking his pain and who cares, he's 90. Nicest guy you would want to meet (maybe because he always high?) but who cares. He's in actually pain from what I can tell, you can see when is using the pedals when he is driving.

I just think they should more selective on who they crack down on. Let the doctors make the decision not the pharmacists. They are trained to recognize drug seekers.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
16. I'd like to see them crack down on the way ER's issue opiod based pain relief
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jan 2016

drugs. In our hospital, they give you a prescription for that stuff for a hangnail.... I'm very clutzy, and have
made too many trips to the ER. Without even asking me, 5 times in recent years I got prescriptions for
this crap. I didn't even NEED pain relief. I said I won't take an opiod based drug (bipolar runs in my family
genetics so out of caution, I'm not touching it). The ER doc replied that this was all they had in the hospital
pharmacy..........so, there are like 50 other pharmacies in town........ but he didn't even ASK.


I have a friend who experienced a similar thing in a Maryland ER... and she is a former addict to that crap.
It's like laying out a line of cocaine in front of someone who is finally clean..... and they don't even ASK.
Just hand it out.

Our town has a huge amount of drug issues. No doubt the ER helps keep up the supply!

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
43. Well, I'll just mention a few things here.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 11:08 AM
Jan 2016

I do not have a medical degree, nor a degree in psychology. I'm just a person who raised a son with bipolar disorder, and who reads a lot and searches for information and answers through every available outlet, for many years.

I made my comment about the ERs, because these doctors who throw this drug around could be creating a lifetime of hell in susceptible individuals..which may well run as high as 1 in 10, or more....and also, hell for their families. And that simply does NOT have to happen. Want to stop one major source of ultimate heroin addiction? Then stop throwing this drug into people's bodies when it is completely unnecessary.

Your question is actually incredibly complicated, and I do not want to open a Pandora's Box here. As a society we are severely lacking in any basic information in the public about neuro-biological brain disorders....and overall, as a society, don't WANT to know, and prefer to judge and put down and remain in the dark, ignorant, and doing negative things to people with an illness or disability. (Even on DU at times.) At least 1/3 want to think things like: why don't you get a job you lazy jerk I'm cutting your SNAP. Mankind being what they are, we define people by their diagnosis: people will say: he IS bipolar, and that is incorrect, dehumanizing, and destructive. He may HAVE bipolar disorder, but he ISN'T bipolar disorder, and that's not just semantics: it impacts and defines how we view other human beings in a most negative and destructive fashion. We don't categorize and identify diabetics by the function of the pancreas in an individual; we don't view them through that lens. But we as a society do that with neuro-biological brain disorders. NBD is the terminology we should be using. The term 'mental disorders' really does mean to so many people, 'hey why don't you just snap out of your depression', etc. It's not 'mental', as in a choice, or as in being reflective of someone's personality or character as a human soul. Bipolar is a neuro-biological, chemical, physical, electrical imbalance.

Ugh, this is so complicated, but at the same time, the only cure for how our society brands and discriminates against and punishes people for suffering with an NBD, is to use 'the hair of the dog'.

Before you read any of this, though, a few points are critical:
1. Science doesn't really know squat about how the human brain works. As the mother of a son with bipolar disorder, Obama's initiative to map the human brain meant more to me than many other things that he has done or could do.
2. Without knowledge, treatment of neuro-biological brain disorders is, really, a freaking guessing game. Throw something at the wall and see what sticks for a given individual. If you are lucky, something works.
3. The term bipolar should really be, 'bipolar spectrum'. To note that someone has a diagnosis of bipolar means exactly as much as saying someone has an injury to their arm. Hm, what does that mean? A scratch? Severe abrasion? Deep cut? Compound fracture? Amputation? It tells you nothing. That's what a diagnosis of bipolar tells you about any individual. And even if you have deep personal knowledge of that particular person, that still tells you absolutely nothing about what will effectively help that individual. We 'know nothing, John Snow'.
4.Part of that lack of knowledge and absolute uncertainty is because our genetics and biology are so complicated. It's not a matter of one gene causing one outcome, but most likely, many different genetic variants working in combination. Maybe there are 20, 50, 100 different factors, that may or may not be present in any given individual, and that may or may not be active in impacting that individual, depending upon both medical/chemical/electrical/biological stimulants, as well as social-type life events. If you are going to make a cake, you need flour, eggs, butter or oil, sugar, etc. But are you going to use 5 lbs of flour, or a few cups? A dozen eggs, or one or two? It's not just the 'ingredients', it's also how many of each one and what you do with them, how much heat is applied, and when, and in conjunction with other things, like do you mix the batter, or beat it, or just toss it all in a pan and bake it.

Other points:
1. Some recent genetic research has identified one specific genetic marker that is linked to depression, alcohol, and tobacco abuse. Two of the most common prescription drug assistants to kick the smoking 'habit', are in fact, anti-depressants: Chantix and Welbutrin. (Which is why I won't ever use them, even though I chain smoke and want to quit, because of the presence of bipolar in my family tree.) This is now an accepted 'fact'...but beyond the correlation, nothing more can be made of it at this time. It could be that in individuals without bipolar genetics, that smoking or alcohol use disrupts the chemical balance of the brain, and that with the use of Chantrix or Welbutrin and a withdrawal schedule, those people can quit smoking and go back to what there brain balances were before using alcohol or tobacco. It could be that for people who possibly have bipolar genetics, other outcomes, which can be permanent and negative/destructive, have been noted. (Like having a 'normal' life before the antidepressants, and after use, suffering from bipolar or committing suicide, etc.)

2. I think it is fairly safe to say that, in general, opiods are highly addictive.

3.There is a phrase 'dual diagnosis', which when used in reference to someone with bipolar disorder, means that the individual has both a drug addiction problem and suffers the torments of bipolar disorder. If you poke around online, you might see some statistics that I think are actually quite meaningless, about the high prevalence of a dual diagnosis with individuals with bipolar. What you need to understand is that this is only a high prevalence among individuals DIAGNOSED with biopolar... and the fact that someone has a drug addiction means they have been brought to the attention of medicine and science... whereas there are many, many more people who are somewhere on the spectrum of bipolar disorder, who are never diagnosed. The impacts can be very mild, not observable to others. So, these people aren't in the pool of those being used to determine the prevalence of dual diagnosis...so I find those statistics to be very overstated, because they are only including those people with a formal diagnosis of bipolar.

4. Science doesn't really know much beyond knowing that there is a sufficient link in a sufficient number of people, to have assigned the term 'dual diagnosis', and use that handle to indicate this situation.

5. There are discussions of 'what came first, the chicken or the egg', as far as the drug addictions and the bipolar responses. There are theories that using/abusing drugs can trigger underlying genetics, change the brains function, and result in a person who suffers (or suffers more severely) from bipolar episodes, who prior to the drug use/abuse, did not. But science doesn't really know. But what I know, as an informed chain smoker, is that my own brain has become dependent on nicotine for stimulation and to balance my emotional state... smoking impacts the relative balance of testosterone and estrogen in the body....stop smoking, your estrogen balance goes up... as a female, that means somethings to me, LOL....five hours without a cigarette, and I start crying... I HATE nictotine, HATE it.... What has happened is that my brain has ceased producing and balancing its own stimulants, and relies on nicotine to do that. If I go 5 hours without a cigarette, I can't focus, even when I try very hard. I quit cold-turkey for a week once, and crossed the double-yellow line twice, and since I had a minimum 45 minute commute to work, I decided to smoke again, before I killed myself or innocent others. Whatever nicotine does in my brain now, caffeine won't do for it. The point being, using chemicals / drugs can alter the functioning of your brain. I worry I might be permanently ADD now, though the slower withdrawals by cutting back on smoking does ease that fear a little...and make me realize how very dependent my brain is on this nasty tool of Satan. I can't use Ritalin or anything else, for the same concerns. (That's per a professional psychiatrist). These theories, that using a drug can alter the brains function, and perhaps permanently, and the fact that there is evidence of bipolar genetics in my family, are why I won't use Chantix or Welbutrin and many other prescription drugs. I won't take the risk of triggering a bipolar response... that could be permanent and exist after I stop use of the drug. I'd rather be quadriplegic, than suffer with bipolar, and I'm not exaggerating. My Mom lived in a wheelchair the last 25 years of her life, thanks to a drunk driver, and my son has suffered immeasurably for countless days of his life from bipolar disorder, which is on the severe end of the scale, for him. My Mom chose to be happy, to find happiness. My son has been robbed of any such possibility of choice too many days and years to count.

6. The flip side, which I have no doubt at all is true, is that people suffering from bipolar disorder, which can at times be 24/7 living hell of anguish like only those who have lived closely with this can know, do 'self-medicate' with street drugs. This is particularly true when they have not been diagnosed with bipolar, and therefore, aren't receiving any assistance or treatment. Say, a teenager. Teenage angst is one thing that can be really rough for many....now add bipolar disorder, and you ramp up the impact exponentially... and hey, here's Joe on the corner with something to help, and all your peers are doing it anyway... I'm hoping that down the line in the years, changes in the DSMV (psychiatric manual) will now prevent some of these tragedies from occurring. When my son was young, until he was an adult, actually, the DSMV would not allow for a diagnosis of bipolar until adulthood. That always seemed, pardon the pun, 'crazy' to me.... what that was saying was that after reaching adulthood, the human brain suddenly rewired itself, and began responding differently in its chemistry and electrical functioning... just 'because'. It made much more pragmatic sense to me, to view the situation as one where genetics, from birth, had given an individual a different blueprint of chemical and electrical responses, but that the social lens of childhood behavior, versus expectations as an adult (who was trying and failing at being independent), simply made behavioral differences from the norm in adulthood much more apparent and of concern. After my son was an adult, they finally changed this stance in the DSMV. My son and I were blessed, though, because I got him to a psychiatrist when he was in middle school, who treated him for bipolar, without actually formally diagnosing him as bipolar (which the DSMV wouldn't let him do.) My son has never been on street drugs, and has received relief and some normal life functioning by using prescription drugs that do help most of the time. Hundreds of thousands of others never got that care. Two of them are in my husband's extended family....both of them, first cousins, ended up using street drugs, committing crimes to support their habits, going to jail, and after almost 10 years of this, getting a diagnosis of bipolar disorder, and THEN receiving prescription treatments... but by now, their brains have been so impacted... actually, one of them just died in his jail cell on Christmas Day. If only he had been diagnosed 15 years ago or more, and received medical supervision and proper pharmaceuticals, maybe that poor young man would have had a life, and a life worth living. Or, 'chicken and egg', maybe the street drugs were the cause of the problem. I wasn't around when he was a child, so I don't have any idea...except that his first cousin made the same harmful choices and got the same results, too, giving some indication of a possible genetic connection.

So, that's just the tip of the iceberg. My concerns are that people in the ER can use that stuff, and end up with completely unexpected consequences that destroy a great deal of their lives, or even ends up ending their lives. I do know of one young woman who was put on opiod pain killers for pain from cancer... for months she could only get pain meds, and not the surgery she needed, while she waited for public medical assistance to come through.... she had just moved to another state, returning home to care for an ill parent, when she was diagnosed, and had not yet secured another job. Her tolerance built up very rapidly, and in the end, she ended up using heroin. Now she's battling to get off the methadone. Her life for 10 years has been complete hell. And she had no clue at all, when she first took that little prescription pill, of what it would do to her. She's not alone. And it just simply never had to happen. If we had Medicare for all, it would never have happened to her, in her case. But in how many others does this happen, just because the ER docs prescribe it like it was candy?


On Edit: I want to comment further on what I said above: "It's not 'mental', as in a choice, or as in being reflective of someone's personality or character as a human soul." There are other medical issues that can create a temporary change in mental state, functioning, things we might identify as 'personality'. For example, someone in need of thyroid medications that doesn't take them can display very different behaviors (in fact, before a diagnosis of bipolar is made, thyroid function must be checked.) Once they get the thyroid meds they need, they might seem to be completely different people in many ways. Well, when my son is stable on his meds, he is the sweetest, most loving person you could know. He is genuinely concerned not only for the welfare of those in his immediate circle, but also greatly concerned about issues impacting society at large (ie, a Democrat, LOL). But when the meds aren't working and need adjustment, he's not himself at all. He cares for no one and nothing, is surly, angry, and lashes out at everyone. And the difference isn't what some people think... for example, overuse of Ritalin in children can leave them totally doped up and limp... it's NOT that at all. The difference is far more complicated. My son's real personality and character, when his chemical/electrical/biological responses are out of whack, well his real self is buried under all the trauma and upheaval. I wish I could better explain that, and do so in a manner that really made this difference clear, to those who are so judgmental and damning...but I guess I can't... people like that quite often simply have their own mental issues requiring them to condemn, put down, and make life even worse for those suffering. Not to say you do, at all... it's just so very hard to discuss this stuff, and yet, I feel that I must, for that's the only way to make a change. Science, logic, and having a heart and the courage to speak.



valerief

(53,235 posts)
20. I think the problem is that the pharma industry produces so many opiods that they
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jan 2016

know just go to creating drug addicts (who don't have pain) rather than just to people in pain who need the drugs.

It's like the arms industry that produces way more semi-automatics that the LE population for them can use.

groundloop

(11,533 posts)
2. Only 1 'hold' has a valid reason, other 2 are BS IMO
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jan 2016

While I'm not sure I agree with Bernie Sanders on this, I at least acknowledge that his concern about Dr. Califf being too tight with big pharma is a valid concern. Murkowski and Markey are total BS claims, not related to the qualifications of the nominee, and are just trying to score political points.

WestMichRad

(1,344 posts)
13. I don't think they're BS
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jan 2016

They're all legitimate FDA issues. One can however make a good argument that using a hold this way isn't the right forum to settle these issues... but if it's allowed, so be it.

Go Bernie!

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
5. Obama is simply trying to appoint the people
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jan 2016

to these posts that he's been told to appoint - people who are working in the interests of corporations and their profits. The term "conflict of interest" ceased to have any meaning in Washington a long time ago.

The FDA currently doesn't exist to protect us from the bullshit these companies are selling to us. All of the current employees of the FDA need to be fired and rehired only if they are completely independent of any contact with the drug dealers we call the pharmaceutical industry.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
12. The Naked Truth
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jan 2016

What's wrong with people who are either blind or dumb regarding this horrible state of affairs.

Blue_Adept

(6,402 posts)
7. Holds are only good if Democrats do it
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jan 2016

I remember quite a few complaints about holds in general around these parts over the years with the heavyhanded use of them by Republicans.

angrychair

(8,754 posts)
17. No
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jan 2016

To be a candidate for a Party that person has to be a member of that Party.
Sanders is a card-carrying member of the Democratic Party no different than any other Democrats.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
53. Well Democrats tend to have better reasoning behind their decisions
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jan 2016

relative to their Republican counterparts.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
18. When did it become acceptable for a Democratic President to appoint corporate and Wall Street....
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 02:39 PM
Jan 2016

insiders to oversight positions within his/her administration?

Give em hell Bernie!

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
22. FDR's Sec. of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, Jr......
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jan 2016

attended the Dwight School, then studied architecture and agriculture at Cornell University. In 1913, he met and became friends with Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt. He operated a farm named Fishkill Farms near the Roosevelt estate in upstate New York, specializing, like FDR, in growing Christmas trees.[3] He was concerned about distress among farmers, who comprised over a fourth of the population. In 1922 he took over the American Agriculturalist magazine, making it a voice for reclamation, conservation, and scientific farming.[2] In 1929, Roosevelt, as Governor of New York, appointed him chair of the New York State Agricultural Advisory Committee and to the state Conservation Commission.

Timothy Geithner; an American economic policy maker and central banker who served as the 75th United States Secretary of the Treasury, under President Barack Obama, from 2009 to 2013. He was previously the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 2003 to 2009. He now serves as president of Warburg Pincus, a Wall Street private equity firm.[2]...

Jack Lew: served as the COO at Citigroup from 2006 to 2008.

BumRushDaShow

(129,978 posts)
24. Jimmy Carter - Werner Blumenthal
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:17 PM
Jan 2016
In 1967 Blumenthal left government to join Bendix International, a manufacturing and engineering company specializing in auto parts, electronics and aerospace. After five years he was appointed as its chairman and CEO, and remained with the company for ten more years. When he first took over to head Bendix, the company was regarded by Wall Street as a faltering company. After five years as its chairman, the company nearly doubled its sales to just under $3 billion, and by 1976 Duns Review rated Bendix as "one of the five best-managed companies in the U.S."[1][6]:27

While Blumenthal headed Bendix, newly elected President Carter nominated him to become his Secretary of the Treasury, a position he served from January 23, 1977 to August 4, 1979.[3]
...

After resigning he returned to the business sector and joined Burroughs Corporation in 1980 as vice chairman, then chairman of the board a year later. After merging the company with Sperry Corporation, it became Unisys Corporation in 1986, with Blumenthal its chairman and chief executive officer (CEO). He remained with Unisys until 1990 when he stepped down to become a limited partner at Lazard Freres & Company, an investment bank located in New York. Having more free time, he taught economics courses at Princeton.[6]:29[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Michael_Blumenthal


"Business people" deal with business (Treasury). The problem today is putting "business people" in charge of education and health.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
25. The only Democrats who appoint Wall Street insiders to positions such as Sec of Treasury or .....
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jan 2016

Attorney General are 3rd way Democrats..

They all explain the reason they would appoint foxes to guard the hen house is, who appreciates a big fat juicy hen more than a fox?

So do you think because you "mentioned Wall Street" in Blumenthal's bio that makes him a former employee?

BumRushDaShow

(129,978 posts)
31. Goal-post changing are we?
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jan 2016

Did you miss that Blumenthal was head of several corporations? And eventually headed up a biggy - Unisys? Yup. He was not an academic but a nice corporate tool according to DUer definitions.

I suppose out-of-context quoting of the article missing this point is the "Squirrel!!!11!!" response.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
34. There's a huge difference between the Blumenthal appointment being the former head of Bendix a
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:46 AM
Jan 2016

manufacturing company unrelated to the banking industry and appointing Tim Geithner a former President of the Federal Reserve Bank of NY who leaves through the revolving door to become President of Warburg Pincus..

The same door as Eric Holder who bailed on prosecuting the financial institutions ending up back at Covington Burling.

Seriously, who really thinks appointments like these serve anyone but the giant financial institutions and would suggest they represent the interests of the public?

BumRushDaShow

(129,978 posts)
35. Uh no
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:08 AM
Jan 2016

according to DUers all "corporatists" and "banksters" are evil and must be avoided at all costs...

Oh and suggest you don't check out FDR's first Treasury Secretary William Woodin because FDR will need to be thrown under the bus shortly...

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
46. The FDR administration regulated the big banks so he stays out from under the bus...
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:18 PM
Jan 2016

So Woodin gets a pass because I'm a compassionate liberal... Can't say the same for Geithner and Holder both ignored Wall Street fraud.

BumRushDaShow

(129,978 posts)
47. The FDR Administration
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jan 2016

appointed a Treasury Secretary who was a Director of the very same NY Fed Reserve that Geithner (who I can't stand either) came out of decades later. And Woodin was a member of that Fed during the very period that lead up to the 1929 crash.

The hypocritical cherry-picking is breath-taking but it is out there for all to see.

Oh and guess what? The FDR Administration ALSO made my father remain in a segregated unit in the Army during WWII because of his black skin and wouldn't fucking budge off of it. It wasn't until Truman came into office when the Army was finally desegregated.

Folks can FDR-hump all they want but as a 1%er, he was looking out for the fucking 1% white male land-owners who founded this country while my father fought for it but wasn't allowed to be in their presence.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
49. You can't seem to stay on one topic while you blatantly invent your own history...
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jan 2016

We're going from Wall Street hacks who ignore the public welfare in favor of their friends in the industry to calling FDR a racist who ignored the poor and middle class

So explain how Social Security, Glass Steagall, the CCC/ WPA and FEPC were created to benefit the 1% white male landowner.

And to the the contrary black people made huge advances under Roosevelt.. Roosevelt signed an executive order establishing the Fair Employment Practice Committee, prohibiting discrimination by any government agency, including the armed forces.

At least try and stay in the vicinity of the truth especially while talking about Democrat...

BumRushDaShow

(129,978 posts)
51. I gave examples
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:47 AM
Jan 2016

of corporate and banking picks by FDR and you selectively dismissed them, which told me everything I needed to know.

And the remark "black people made huge advances under Roosevelt" is and is a typical white privilege response. My parents were born in 1924 & 1930 and grew up under Roosevelt and gave me a clue. A. Philip Randolph's repeated threats and engagement with Roosevelt eventually lead to that EO but not much else. The military and much of the rest of the country remained segregated and FDR wasn't about to budge. I.e., there is so much fantasy going on about FDR that it is truly remarkable.

Try to at least do some research before attempting to write about something that you are apparently ignorant about. Thankfully next month is Black History Month and perhaps you can learn something.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
52. I posted "facts" which you ignored .
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jan 2016

Trying to blame segregation on Roosevelt while insinuating he was a racist owned by the 1% is a complete misrepresentation of the facts...

Roosevelt signed an executive order establishing the Fair Employment Practice Committee, prohibiting discrimination by any government agency, including the armed forces. Clearly a racist piece of legislation designed to insure the continuation of segregation, secretly benefiting the 1% white male landowner..

Once again, explain how Social Security, Glass Steagall, the CCC/ WPA and FEPC were created to benefit the 1% white male landowner.


Here are the facts.. If you were interested in the truth you could easily look them up. But they clearly disprove your claims, so instead of directly responding, we get an emoji, and a meaningless word salad...

Not going to project whether this is an issue of not being able to admit that your claims about FDR were proven false or you have some personal agenda...I don't really care either way.

BumRushDaShow

(129,978 posts)
54. You already discredited yourself
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jan 2016

The "facts" are that "discrimination" is different from "segregation" and the armed forces were SEGREGATED and THAT is a FACT and that remained in effect under FDR through his terms in office until Truman signed his own EO that banned the practice and desegregated the military. FDR's EO was essentially reiterating "separate but equal" because it did not require the integration.

So to try to make up for his lack of "Bully Pulpit", he sent his wife out to soothe the black community (e.g., riding around with the SEGREGATED Tuskegee Airman and shaming the DAR to allow my hometown's most famous opera singer Marian Anderson to sing somewhere in D.C. with a large enough venue, where she wasn't already banned because of her black face)...

The "facts" are that FDR herded Japanese-American citizens into concentration camps (ask George Takei about that one). The "facts" are a black person (like my mother who initially attended Howard University before returning here to Temple U) were required to move to the back cars of the trains when they crossed the Mason-Dixon line into MD and headed towards the segregated city of Washington D.C.

The denial is just breath-taking.

The EO that you cite is no different from a similar one that Obama signed regarding discrimination against LBGT employees/contractors in the federal government yet on DU, that type of EO was "not enough" because... "Walking shoes" and "Bully Pulpit" and other such nonsense. The LAW had to be changed and that is finally happening. But under FDR, it wasn't happening because he was fearful of southern backlash. In fact, under Eisenhower, the Supreme Court finally made the move to overturn the laws that FDR wouldn't push to overturn... and ironically, it was not Kennedy but Johnson who finally got the more comprehensive Civil Rights Law passed beyond the one in 1957 (that again under Eisenhower, not FDR, attempted to codify Brown v Board).

Keep trying, you'll "get it" eventually or perhaps not. And look up who Eric Holder is married to (and who she is related to).

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
56. If you want to claim a President who created programs that created jobs and better lives for poor
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jan 2016

folks black and white was a racist oligarch, there's nothing left to say..

Roosevelt's executive order was created to ban "discrimination" in the federal gov.. While establishing the FEPC to enforce it..


Roosevelt signed legislation "desegregating" the armed forces, his intention was obvious. You're choosing to ignore the fact that we were in the middle of WW2, and the military refused to comply.. To expect Roosevelt to personally insure that all three depts. of military comply while in the middle a world wide war is beyond naive... FDR wasn't perfect, internment was a mistake but what Roosevelt accomplished in terms of lifting of all races people out of poverty was unprecedented...

The only thing to "get" is it's easy to ignore the facts and vilify anyone... I could do the same thing with Gandhi or MLK question their motives, focus on their weaknesses but why? What would be the point other than trying to discredit their accomplishments.. What a fucking waste of my time and yours...

Holder was married to the banking industry. Not a fan, but I'm sure Wall Street loves the guy...

BumRushDaShow

(129,978 posts)
58. Look up who Vivian Malone is
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:04 AM
Jan 2016

and then find out who her sister is married to. You talk about vilifying and end your remarks with vilification. Precious.

You write "To expect Roosevelt to personally insure..." Really? Obama was expected to "personally insure" all sorts of things that required Congress and he continues to be trashed right here on DU, after being told ad nauseum to "put on Walking Shoes™" and "use the Bully Pulpit™".

Trust me, I understand what FDR was able to accomplish with the super-majority Congresses that he had on and off through his 12+ years in office, but the one-note samba "banksters!!!111!1!1" while dismissing the racial animus and little efforts to resolve that by a President who was elected to 4 terms (although not making it through that 4th), is truly silly when you continue to ignore that people like FDR (or even JFK) WERE 1%ers. The irony being that non-1%ers like Truman, Eisenhower, and Johnson (where Johnson's money was from his wife's family) managed to get the civil rights legislation through. You can't hypocritically cherry-pick the outrage.

Yes, I'm afraid we're done. Aside from the breathtaking ignorance of the history of racial bigotry and the continued excuse-making of Presidents being heralded here as godly, the arguments continue to ignore their real stories by diversion and throwing out the same tired throw-away lines.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
59. There's a huge distinction between men and women who actually had the integrity and the courage
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:13 AM
Jan 2016

to try and make this a better world and those who allowed themselves to be bought off.

If Holder would've actually attempted to prosecute the fraudulent bank execs who gamed the economy I would be 100% in his corner even if he failed to get a conviction..

Truth is FDR accomplished more for poor and middle-class people (black and white) in his first year in office than Obama has accomplished in both of his terms.. Obama get's some credit for passing Nixon's old health care proposal and he was better than anything the Republicans had to offer, but overall he's been a disappointment..

To quote Cornell West, “He posed as a progressive and turned out to be counterfeit. We ended up with a Wall Street presidency, a drone presidency”

I understand your anger and disappointment, I feel it too, but taking it out on people who actually changed the direction of this country and made a real difference for the majority of Americans of all colors isn't adding a dime to Obama's legacy..

BumRushDaShow

(129,978 posts)
60. Sorry but the strawman argument is a fail.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:27 AM
Jan 2016

Too many on DU insist on defining the viewpoints of POC, including hurling epithets like "Piece of shit used car salesman" at those who have done more to help us culturally than too many non-POC will ever realize or recognize.

So don't tell me how to view your "heroes" when they were no hero of mine or my ancestors who suffered under them.

And with respect to Cornell West, who burned his bridges with the black community, take note of a quote from Malcolm X -

"If Martin Luther King, Roy Wilkins or any of these compromising negroes who say exactly what the white man wants to hear, is interviewed anywhere in the country you don't get anybody to offset what they say. But whenever a black man stands up and says something that white people don't like then the first thing that white man does is run around and try and find somebody to say something to offset what has just been said...."

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
61. Good luck with using race as a bludgeoning device...
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jan 2016

I can't help but note, your Malcolm X quote in defense of Barack Obama... Good luck with that one too...

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
37. Yes there is
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 10:19 AM
Jan 2016

There are degrees to all of this. The Blumenthal example does not appear to be an appropriate one. There are no doubt better examples, it isn't a brand new phenomenom to appoint foxes to guard henhouses in D.C., though I agree that the problem has gotten worse and the history of it in no way diminiishes how wrong certain appointments are. Obama has favored patent lawyers, Monsanto, and financial institution big-shots who are supposedly looking out for our interests.

Expect more of the same from Hillary, a little worse from any Republican, and none of it from Bernie.

BumRushDaShow

(129,978 posts)
44. "Obama has favored patent lawyers"
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jan 2016

Obama has favored HARVARD lawyers and based on your assertion. under the bus Elizabeth Warren would go given that despite developing what became the CFPB (where she would sadly have never been confirmed had she been named for it due to the GOP opposing anything to do with it), she previously chaired the Oversight Panel tied to Paulson's TARP legislation - you know, the Wall Street bailout?). Why sully oneself with that?

See how the broad-brushing works?

LiberalArkie

(15,738 posts)
28. No problem with successful "business" people being management in government. The problem
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:58 PM
Jan 2016

is bankers regulating bankers. Doctors regulating FDA. Prosecuting Attorneys running DOJ. We seem to have problems with people like that.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
29. Yep! It's way past time to change the Democratic party back to where the public's welfare is the.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jan 2016

number one priority...

BumRushDaShow

(129,978 posts)
33. Big problem with "business" people running government
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jan 2016

because government is for "the people" and "business" is for "the business" and the bottom line, which puts the two at odds.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
23. good for bernie..,its an incestuous pick
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 08:10 PM
Jan 2016

from wikipedia


Califf worked very closely with pharmaceutical companies at the Duke clinical trials center "convincing them to do large, expensive, and, for Duke, profitable clinical trials."[9] He was a paid consultant for Merck Sharp & Dohme, Johnson & Johnson, GlaxoSmithKline, AstraZeneca, and Eli Lilly per ProPublica from 2009 to 2013. The largest consulting payment was $87,500 by Johnson & Johnson in 2012, and "most of funds for travel or consulting under $5,000", which has been called "minimal for a physician of his stature".[10] From 2013-2014 he was paid a total of $52,796, the highest amount was $6,450 from Merck Sharp & Dohme, followed by Amgen, F. Hoffmann-La Roche AG, Janssen Pharmaceutica, Daiichi Sankyo, Sanofi-Aventis, Bristol-Myers Squibb and AstraZeneca.[11] He was the Director of Portola Pharmaceuticals, Inc. from July 2012 to January 26, 2015,[10] Advisor of Proventys, Inc., Chairman of the medical advisory board of Regado Biosciences, Inc. and has been member of the medical advisory board since June 2, 2009, and member of the clinical advisory board of Corgentech Inc.[12] Forbes wrote that his close ties to the drug industry were the reason for him not being nominated for the FDA Commissioner position in 2009.[9]

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
36. Back in the '60s, we had J. William Fulbright, Frank Church, Mike Mansfield,
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:37 AM
Jan 2016

Everett Dirksen, Margaret Chase Smith, William Proxmire, and Robert Kennedy in the Senate at the same time.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
38. Yes we did.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 10:20 AM
Jan 2016

I was still in single digits for most of the 60's (born in 1955) so individual Senators weren't really on my radar screen yet. I started paying attention about 1967 which is when I started my political habit and it's been a monkey on my back ever since.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
41. I started paying attention around 1966
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jan 2016

That's the time when Winthrop Rockefeller was running for governor of Arkansas (and pledging to end the Faubus era and improve the state's image), Arkansas Senator J. William Fulbright got on Meet the Press to explain his opposition to the Vietnam War, and my grandfather introduced me to the Big 3 Sunday political talk shows (Meet the Press, Issues and Answers, and Face the Nation).

And the political comic strip Grin and Bear It (featuring Senator Snort).

Oh, and there was a big local election in my county that year-- whether the county should be "wet" or "dry". The county chose "dry", and remained that way until just a couple of years ago.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
42. I used to watch all of those on Sunday mornings.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jan 2016

Plus, later, Firing Line. All of which I understood about 20% of but found it absolutely fascinating nonetheless.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
55. I was fascinated when J. William Fulbright was on Meet the Press
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jan 2016

because he was from Arkansas. But my grandfather didn't like "that dove". He was VFW, so didn't take too kindly to criticism of the war. I wonder, though, what he would have thought if the war had continued to the time when I reached draft age?

I was also fascinated with the theme music for "Issues and Answers". Years later, I found out it was from "Carmina Burana".

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