Oregon standoff spokesman Robert 'LaVoy' Finicum killed, Bundys in custody after gunfight near Burns

[passiveporcupine]

Source: Oregon Live

BURNS – Oregon standoff spokesman Robert LaVoy Finicium, 55, of Cane Beds, Arizona, was killed and other top leaders of the wildlife refuge occupation were arrested Tuesday after law enforcement officials stopped vehicles about 15 miles north of Burns.

Authorities did not release the name of the person killed at the highway stop, but two sources told The Oregonian/Oregonlive that it was Finicum, one of the cowboy-hat wearing faces of the takeover.

Ryan Bundy, 43, of Bunkerville, Nev., suffered a minor gunshot wound in the confrontation and was arrested.

Read more: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/bundys_in_custody_one_militant.html#incart_maj-story-1

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Well, he did say he'd rather be killed than jailed. I wonder if he forced this.

[GP6971]

1. And the story isn't being covered

by CNN or MSNBC. MSNBC is a repeat of the Chris Hayes show and CNN is all about Trump skipping the debate.

[dinkytron]

7. In the future, Cable news will become 100% irrelevant and it will be

their own doing.

[villager]

51. "In the future!?"

[dinkytron]

56. I hear ya but they still are everpresent. Same personalities. Same formats.

They are still America's news, don't you think?

[villager]

60. Unfortunately, they are still allowed to help shape public perception and conversation...

...despite having been proven wholly unworthy of the task...

[Kalidurga]

62. lol

[FarPoint]

55. Why give the Oregon Terrorist

The Kardashian media treatment? The live coverage only stimulate the ammosexual types around the country.

[Spider Jerusalem]

65. Cable news is already irrelevant?

I don't know much of anyone who gets their news from TV. The audience for television news is 50+, mostly; younger people get their news from the internet.

[blogslut]

9. They did reports on the story on both Lawrence and Rachel's shows

Not saying they shouldn't be doing live reports now but I'm not the MSNBC program director.

[GP6971]

14. I saw that on both

networks, but they didn't stay with the story.

And CNN is still stuck on Trump. You would think the end of the siege would at least deserve some time.

[blogslut]

20. Yes, but our 24hours news isn't really 24hours anymore

They've resorted to pre-recorded shows after hours and on weekends. There will be coverage tomorrow and, sadly, lots of it.

[TeamPooka]

39. 24 hour news isn't about news, it's about being on 24 hours to run commercials. nt

[wordpix]

91. So sadly true

[PatSeg]

36. When I read about it,

I quickly switched the TV to MSNBC and like you, all I saw was the rerun of Chris Hayes. I'm not surprised that CNN is just covering Trump, one of the reasons I am watching less cable news these days. How much Trump do they think we can stomach?

[scottie55]

67. I Switched To Fox

Figured they would be mourning. Saw Michael Moore interview with Trump's best friend instead.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/26/michael-moore-applauds-megyn-kelly-for-taking-on-donald-trump.html

[PatSeg]

88. I think after the Bundy Ranch

debacle, Fox might be staying clear of this story.

Michael Moore on Fox? Hmmm

[Gregorian]

2. Finicum, we barely knew you.

What was it all about.

[63splitwindow]

8. his legacy...

[JimDandy]

16. Sadly, that is what his children will see on the net for the rest of their lives.

And he had a lot of children.

[63splitwindow]

48. 11 kids (all grown)

How many other slow witted nuts did his actions/words inspire? I have no sympathy for him.

[JimDandy]

52. My sympathy is for those he left behind,

not for him.

[63splitwindow]

53. Honestly, for me it would depend upon...

whether or not they are like their Dad.

[SwankyXomb]

61. Plus the innumerable foster slaves

that made his 'ranch' so profitable.

[Bugenhagen]

71. My next Halloween costume!

It's already ready to go.

[L. Coyote]

3. dupe

REPORTS: Harney District Hospital in Burns is on lockdown - Ammon Bundy is in custody - shots fired

[passiveporcupine]

11. Not a dupe. Just more info, confirming finicum was killed

Lots of threads running on this now and nobody knows which ones to update.

[iandhr]

4. Hope Bundy gets life in Super Max

[Botany]

5. Good!

Teddy Roosevelt used power granted by the US Constitution to set up that
refuge for migratory waterfowl and I was sick of hearing those a-holes spout
their crap about they were defending the Constitution.

BTW as the proud grandson of the late Bob W. of the Ashland, OR area I hate
to think what he or his fellow ranchers and farmers would do if some idiot
cut their fence so their livestock could get away.

BTW part 2 guess the blue tarp didn't help Lavoy

From the department of; "Now do I have your attention?"

Santilli, a self-styled journalist, took to social media to discuss the breaking development late Tuesday afternoon. He also reported that the FBI has told the protesters at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge that they are free to go and need to leave immediately.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/26/1475627/-Ammon-Bundy-arrested-with-multiple-others-two-people-reportedly-shot?detail=email

[Kali]

6. that actually makes me a little sad/strange

the guy was like a dumb dog that didn't really know any better, and he made a hilarious meme with the tarp. I feel bad laughing at him now.

[Kennah]

21. You spoke my own thoughts very eloquently

These guys were a sad/strange bunch. The real criminals, who will go unpunished, are those who spew the hate that the Bundy Bunch fed on.

[DBoon]

31. The ones who speyed the hate....

.... and still have their syndicated AM talk radio shows

[63splitwindow]

50. scum for $$$$$

What this guy has spawned:

[Manifestor_of_Light]

68. Look up hate radio's relationship to stochastic terrorism.

Statistical likelihood that some nut with a gun will go out and kill someone, out of millions of people who listen to hate radio. Then the radio host says, "I didn't cause that!". Plausible deniability.

[Dont call me Shirley]

33. Yeah, like the kochbros who are funding them.

[Brickbat]

23. Very good point.

[renate]

24. me too, to my utter surprise

You said it perfectly.

[liberal from boston]

41. MSNBC

Lawrence talked to the local reporter who said that 1 protester was killed but the name had not been released. I immediately thought it was Tarpman. I remember him stating that if the Feds pointed a gun at him that he would shoot. Kali your comment is perfect--I also feel sad.

[liberaltrucker]

64. He made his bed

Now he's lying in it.....permanently.

No sympathy here.

[global1]

10. Do You Think The Feds Were Wearing Body Cameras?....nt

[geek tragedy]

12. Who will take care of his guns? nt

[Goblor]

13. Good...

F-ing losers. Public lands and wildlife are far more important than the lives of these idiots...

[santafe52]

15. Finally, JUSTICE!

Hopefully, none of the terrorists involved will escape prison.

[pamela]

17. That's tarp man!

Hope they threw a tarp over his cold, dead body.

[passiveporcupine]

18. I am so glad this is about to be over

But the humanity here sometimes...it takes my breath away. NOT!

[Turborama]

19. Ammon Bundy, 5 Others, Arrested After Shootout In Oregon, 1 Dead

Late Tuesday evening, bird sanctuary occupier and would-be land thief Ammon Bundy found himself detained after a police shootout, leaving one dead and two injured. The shootout appears to have occurred while Bundy and company were en route to John Day, a town approximately 70 miles from the occupied wildlife refuge.

The men were stopped by local police, supported by FBI. The stop turned violent, resulting in the two people being injured during the altercation. It is not clear at this time who shot first. Those injured were apparently rushed to Harney District Hospital in Burns, Oregon.

Ammon Bundy rose to national infamy for his illegal occupation of a closed wildlife refuge. His gang of would be land snatchers were in the process of attempting to steal public land as part of a private enrichment scheme, pledging to free up exploitation to private interests which would despoil the land placed into the public trust.

The Burns police department appears to have then issued warning to the remaining occupiers to vacate the sanctuary or else they would be put under imminent arrest. We do not know at this time how many of the Bundy gang have fled the scene.

We will be giving updates as this story unfolds.

http://reverbpress.com/news/us/ammon-bundy-3-others-arrested-shootout-oregon/

[VMA131Marine]

22. Only problem is that Finicum is now a martyr

And there are already stories going out that he had his hands up and was cooperating when he was shot. I hope there's bodycam footage; not that it will dissuade the true crazies even if it shows he was going for his weapon.

[passiveporcupine]

25. So far the stories are coming from the other militants, so

I'm not sure how much credence to give them.

I too hope there were body cams.

[Major Nikon]

26. Seems like a catch22

Finicum went on national TV saying he had no intention of cooperating with authorities and wouldn't be taken alive. So if he was cooperating, he was a coward and no martyr. If he did what he said and went down shooting, that makes Bundy a liar who just shit on Finicum's martyrdom.

[Archae]

28. Even with actual footage of the shooting, the militia will claim the footage is "faked."

[VMA131Marine]

42. The account of the shooting seems to have originated with Ammon Bundy himself

It's possible he made it up in the hope that it would inspire his militia buddies to take up arms against the Feds to spring him out of jail.

[DBoon]

35. How many black teenagers had their hands up and were then shot dead?

Welcome to the club, white guy

[Mr.Bill]

63. Hands up! Don't shoot!

Sorry, no witnesses. We'll just have to believe law enforcement, I guess.

[Gore1FL]

27. He didn't intend to come back.

He got the "glorious" standoff with the Feds he dreamed of and became a martyr for whatever. History will remember the tarp. His family will remember a better side of him. The agent that shot him will probably remember something very different for the rest of his life.

I'd love to know their source of "inspiration" in all of this. It certainly has to be something more than the federal government giving grazing fees at less-than-market price. It has to be more than the Hammonds.

I can hypothesize it's "right wing media" and maybe that is part of it, but I don't think it's just that.

It's sure costly; whatever it is.

[Archae]

29. Wasn't he the guy who lost his foster kids?

[passiveporcupine]

30. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Now his wife will have to deal with all the failing ranch problems alone. Nice, huh?

[Archae]

32. Yup, it was him.

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/militant-says-foster-children-were-pulled-from-his-home-lavoy-finicum-burns-oregon/

[Major Nikon]

43. They were making 6 figures taking care of those kids

Certainly doesn't sound like the best influence.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

74. 50 foster kids over many years; "my main source of income"

“They were ripped from my wife,” Finicum said. “We are very successful (foster parents). Our track records are good, it’s been a good relationship. (Federal authorities) must have gotten to the governor, who told the state to get them out of there.”

Finicum said he is licensed and has a care contract with Catholic Charities Community Services in Arizona. While his license has not been revoked, Finicum said he would no longer receive referrals to care for foster children.

That represents an enormous loss of income for the Finicums. According to a 2010 tax filing, Catholic Charities paid the family $115,343 to foster children in 2009. That year, foster parents were compensated between $22.31 and $37.49 per child, per day, meaning if the Finicums were paid at the maximum rate, they cared for, on average, eight children per day in 2009.

“That was my main source of income,” Finicum said. “My ranch, well, the cows just cover the costs of the ranch. If this means rice and beans for the next few years, so be it. We’re going to stay the course.”

[ffr]

34. Thanks to our heroic men and women of the FBI!

THANK YOU FOR GETTING THESE MILITANT VANDALS OFF OF MY PUBLIC LANDS!!!

Anymore left, you can arrest them too! And fine them for damage done. My public land needs to be restored to its original glory.

[ffr]

37. The man killed was "one of the cowboy-hat wearing faces of the takeover"

OregonLive.com

And that's how I'll remember him.

Goodbye!

[ProfessorGAC]

80. They Also Used The Phrase. . .

. . ."would be land thief." About time. These guys are trying to steal something that doesn't belong to them. They're crooks, plain and simple.

[mikeysnot]

81. moochers and takers.

.... sigh

[KansDem]

85. DUer Bluenorthwest nailed it...

"High Plains Grifters"

[keithbvadu2]

38. Some stories say two daughters may be there.

Might these 'tough guy warriors' use them as human shields like they discussed at the Cliven Bundy circus?

[passiveporcupine]

44. This may be why his daughters were there

It was one day before his 56th birthday, which his wife had traveled from Arizona to celebrate.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/robert_lavoy_finicum_killed_in.html#incart_story_package

[hollowdweller]

54. Poor Guy

He sort of "got the spirit" at the Bundy ranch standoff and then became a true believer.

He seemed sort of simple minded to me and I'm not sure that he understood when he said he didn't want to be taken alive...that death is forever.

On the other hand if he had financial troubles and had to live with 11 plus children maybe he was ready to go.

[Maru Kitteh]

69. He used foster child labor to work his ranch

Collecting tax-payer money to keep his private land afloat and money in his pocket all while shaking his fist at "the government." So, you know, fuck him.

[Cosmocat]

76. Yep

Pos living off the tax payer dole, caught up in the conservative head fuck ...

[lonestarnot]

82. steady diet of nothing but beans is what he said he fed them.

[avebury]

78. I thougt that I had heard that the foster kids

were taken away from them. The ranch operated on a break even basis and Tarp Man and his wife relied upon the income as professional foster parents to support themselves.

[Richard D]

40. The devil made me do it.

[uppityperson]

46. Would you be so kind as to post that in GD as an OP?

[ffr]

45. Compliments of OregonLive.com

- OregonLive.com

[moondust]

47. Possibly suicide by cop?

He seemed to have a death/martyr wish.

[jmowreader]

58. Probably.

[SCVDem]

59. I agree.

He got what he wanted.

AMF!

[valerief]

49. It really doesn't pay to be stupid. nt

[mikeysnot]

83. Unless you are a Bush.

[valerief]

90. Ha! Yeah, but then you're BORN paid. nt

[SunSeeker]

57. Glad those Neanderthals are out of that wildlife refuge.

No offense to Neanderthals.

[840high]

66. My condolences to his family.

[exboyfil]

70. Would felony murder hold up

for everyone else engaged in this criminal enterprise?

[Stuart G]

72. k and r

[OldRedneck]

73. I hope the blue tarp wasn't hurt

Save the blue tarp -- wrap him in it and shovel a little dirt over him.

Next!!!!

[randome]

84. LOL! We will always remember Blue Tarp Man!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]

[demmiblue]

75. Sad someone had to die, but I am glad that this situation is winding down. n/t

[Cosmocat]

77. The feds appear to have played it right.

Avoided a mess at the refuge, got them boxed in on their terms ...

As it stands now, these assholes will play the victim, but there finally is one who got killed over it, which will make it more real for these simple minded nimwits, who have gotten FAR too much rope bas e d on being sainted, white conservatives.

[Vinca]

79. I'm glad something is finally being done about these characters.

As for the man who died, it was his choice. Wasn't he the one grifting off of foster children? He probably figured he wouldn't be able to make a living off them anymore so he might as well go for broke. No tears from me.

[rladdi]

86. its interesting to see the individual killed was from Arizona. Arizona harbors many criminals.

If you do any research, some of the terrorist trained in Arizona. Under the watchful eye of the Conservatives Republicans. It is a state that imports radical people and puts them up for election also. Being moved to AZ hides the background of those relocated to AZ. Arizona even have had doctors being licensed in AZ, when they were charged and convicted with crimes and lost their licenses n other states. This gives you an indication the kind of state it is.

Now there is a huge campaign to get rid of Senator John McCain by the Conservatives. Sen McCain has saved several times Air Force bases in Arizona, in fact, having one air base updated, to keep it open. He always has saved a few air force planes that were going to be decommissioned.

[gademocrat7]

87. K&R!

[turbinetree]

89. Criminals........................

These jerks, pulled guns on Federal, State officers, and the sheriff or anyone that has a badge-------------------and any of them that did this are now in custody, well guess, what ------------------you are going to be charged with attempted murder on federal law enforcement and any other law enforcement officers, then your going to be charged with destruction of federal property, unauthorized use of vehicle (stealing and joy riding around), breaking and entering of federal property, vandalism that's just for starters, and I don't think there should be any "plea deal" we have seen how that worked out down in your dead beat dad and what he has done-----------------------none, nada, zilch.
And now that road blocks have been put up, your going to go into starvation mode------------------your antics have cost the life of a some dude, well guess what that's against the law as well-----------------and now that your criminal enterprise boss is in jail, and now his dead beat father is going to be in jail.





You are criminals that's all you are, federal law breaking and entering criminals

Again-----------------you made your bed now sleep in this person's death and your shenanigans---------------he also is not a "hero"----------but a dead criminal

[Angry Dragon]

92. the Feds should have attacked these christian terrorists a long time ago