Migrant crisis: Grenade thrown at asylum hostel in Germany

[inanna]

Source: BBC

4 hours ago

Unidentified attackers threw a live hand grenade at a migrant hostel in south-western Germany, officials say.

The grenade was found during the night near buildings housing 170 people in the town of Villingen-Schwenningen. Its pin had been pulled out but the explosives failed to detonate.

Justice Minister Heiko Maas said it was a new level of "hate and violence".

There were 1,005 attacks on refugee homes in Germany last year - five times more than in 2014.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35437873

[smirkymonkey]

1. It's starting - Merkel won't listen to her people so they are taking things

into their own hands. I have a feeling that this is only going to get worse. I have been reading comment sections on other blogs and US & European papers and most Europeans are outraged at her and at the migrants. Many of them are saying that the actual situation is much worse that what the media is reporting.

[AngryAmish]

2. She was told this would happen.

Yet she blundered forward.

[rockfordfile]

6. That doesn't mean a person gets the right to through a grenade at people

That's something a right winger would think of doing. Not surprised.

[yeoman6987]

27. Yeah and if she said no to refugees, she'd be called other names

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Many were criticized in the United States for saying no to refugees. So what now?

[AngryAmish]

29. There are already acta of ultranationalist violence.

She gave them power by her actions. This is not good and it was predicted. She was told and she ignored reality.

[christx30]

30. I'd be happy to be called those names.

"My priority is the protection of the German people. All others be damned."
That shows leadership. The alternative shows that you don't care about your people. The ones that voted you into office. The one who's taxes are paying for what you are doing.

Hungary said no to refugees. They were called every bad name in the book. Watch them not care. The name calling dies down after a while. And you don't have mass rapes and robberies. It's a win-win.

[lancer78]

68. Yes

But Hungary did not enact the final solution either.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

9. Immigrants are fighting with immigrants

There are several stories on the web about Russian immigrants attacking these new immigrants over an alleged rape of a 13 year old girl. Apparently, the police say she was abducted but not raped.

Clash of cultures?

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-eu-35413134 You really don't know if you can believe what the media and government are reporting.

"The demonstrators were angry after reports on the popular Russian television station Channel One that a 13-year-old girl from a Russian-immigrant family had been abducted on her way to school and gang-raped by "southern-looking" asylum-seekers.

But German police say that after questioning and examination it was clear that Lisa F was not abducted and not raped. Sexual contact was not forced, say officers. Because the girl is only 13 years old prosecutors are investigating two men for child abuse.

The age of consent in Germany is 14 and while sex with an under-aged child is classed as statutory rape, it is generally seen as child abuse if violence was not used."

[uhnope]

11. BS. you sound like you're on the side of the grenade-throwers

Nothing about the migrant crisis leads to throwing grenades. Those are far-right & neo-Nazi groups being funded by Russia & paid to fuck things up in Europe to weaken the west

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/08/russia-europe-right-putin-front-national-eu

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/12/26/371670726/europes-far-right-and-putin-get-cozy-with-benefits-for-both

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/strange-bedfellows-putin-and-europe%E2%80%99s-far-right

[smirkymonkey]

12. I'm not on their side, I am only saying that this is a natural outcome of the fact

that their government will not protect them. They obviously see no other option than to take things into their own hands. If the government had any teeth, it never would have deteriorated to this state.

[pampango]

13. RW vigilante violence against innocent people is never a "natural outcome" nor

is it an acceptable response to dissatisfaction with government policy or its implementation.

The right is often empowered by a conservative reaction to liberal policies. Witness the 'Southern strategy' that brought republicans to power in the South in reaction to LBJ's Civil Rights legislation. The fact that the right reacts to - sometimes violently - and sometimes gains power from liberal policies is not, in itself, an argument against these policies. It does mean that we should implement liberal policies fairly and effectively, since poorly administered and enforced liberalism will give conservatives even more ammunition, and anticipate the RW reaction before it happens. Then, in the real world, liberals have to decide whether a particular liberal policy is worth the effort in light of the blow-back.

They obviously see no other option than to take things into their own hands.

RW vigilantes always 'see no option' other than violence intended to terrorize innocent people in the name of "teaching 'those people' a lesson". Throwing a hand grenade or fire bombing a refugee shelter cannot be viewed as a 'natural outcome' of dissatisfaction with the way police handle crimes committed by some refugees.

[smirkymonkey]

14. I'm not saying that it's right, just that it happens.

What can you expect?

[pampango]

16. "What can you expect?" I agree. The right does tend to resort to violence when they are not happy.

Which is probably a "useful" trait in the sense that it might make liberal governments leery of making them unhappy, allowing the right to get what it wants more often.

[branford]

19. The right most certainly doesn't have a monopoly on the use of violence

when they're not happy, both in Europe and elsewhere. Modern history is replete with left-wing violence, and my general agreement with liberal sentiments and policy doesn't result in historical amnesia.

Humans are tribal and violent. If they believe government is not responding to legitimate concerns, these types of incidents are inevitable, particularly among the fringe.

This recognition of inevitability, however, in no way implies such conduct is condoned, encouraged or in any way socially or legally acceptable.

However, I do blame the German government for inflaming an already tense situation. They tried to cover-up and downplay criminal incidents among the migrant population, to say nothing of their policies which amounted to an open invitation to everyone to come to the country. When you have politically inexcusable mistakes like reporting no major incidents in Cologne on NES, when in fact nearly a 1000 women were assaulted, you lose the trust of your people and encourage the fringe and incidents like in the OP.

[smirkymonkey]

21. Thank YOU!

[pampango]

25. Yes. I know. Both sides do it. Only not in this case. The left is not throwing hand grenades or

fire bombs at refugee shelters.

Modern history is replete with left-wing violence, and my general agreement with liberal sentiments and policy doesn't result in historical amnesia.

This recognition of inevitability, however, in no way implies such conduct is condoned, encouraged or in any way socially or legally acceptable.

It sounds like both us deplore both historical left-wing violence and current right-wing violence. Neither is acceptable or excusable and should not be rationalized.

If they believe government is not responding to legitimate concerns, these types of incidents are inevitable, particularly among the fringe.

We agree but that does not mean liberals cannot condemn these RW 'fringe' vigilantes for their violence or the KKK for its violence or others, just because some on the other side of the political field have done similar things historically.

[branford]

32. Although I have and do routinely condemn the right-wing in Europe

(most of my family died in the Holocaust and I know my history), it appears not to really be politically necessary. The authorities are quite determined and apparently able to deal with right-wing violence and protest, ranging from water cannon to quick arrests and prosecutions, and these actions are largely supported by the voters.

However, when it comes to migrant crime and related issues, government and law enforcement suddenly becomes aloof, disinterested and entirely and near comically incompetent, if not actually trying to suppress reports of the incidents rather than apprehending the offenders. Cologne and its aftermath is just one example. I confidently surmise that the governments don't want to zealously deal with these problems because they don't want to empower their political adversaries, all while their own citizens suffer. That's not liberalism, that's cowardice and political opportunism, and should be punished at the ballot box.

It's apparent that although there's certainly no love for the right fringe, the people do realize the authorities are treating actual citizens demonstrably worse than migrants. All this will accomplish is transform some of the fringe on the right into a "respectable" and viable political force.

[EL34x4]

17. Violence has always been a natural outcome.

Throughout history, it was often the first outcome.

Never forget, Europeans are very good at violence.

[pampango]

28. The attackers are throwing hand grenades and fire bombs at refugee shelters.

Everyone in a refugee shelter is a "Muslim thug"? Women, children and men who have committed no crimes cannot possibly be living in a refugee shelter? Or perhaps they are "thugs" too since they are likely Muslims too.

[uhnope]

56. this post is what I would expect from a RW bigot. Really disgusting

These are families in shelters being bombed and you are calling them Muslim thugs.

you should be ashamed, if you're capable

[LeftishBrit]

57. So all Muslims are thugs???

What about the attackers? They are thugs, aren't they?

[jberryhill]

62. Yes it is. It's German Culture

You can't expect them to act any other way.

[uhnope]

54. your excuses for the bombers are the same excuses for the RW occupiers in Oregon

disgusting

[EL34x4]

33. Mob rampage in Sweden today.

'Hundreds-strong' mob of masked men rampage through Stockholm station beating up refugee children in revenge attack for female asylum centre worker killed by Somali 'boy'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423968/Mobs-hundreds-masked-men-rampage-Stockholm-central-station-beating-refugee-children.html#comments

They refer to these refugees as "children" and think we're too stupid to notice many of these children are fully-grown adult men.

[LeftishBrit]

55. So that excuses terrorism?

Blaming the victims of a vile outrage?

And if you want the views of 'most people' you don't go to the comment sections of newspapers; that's where the extremists go.

It's true that many Europaeans have, and always have had, a distrust of immigrants; but this sort of violence is something on a totally different level; and is of course utterly inexcusable.

[pampango]

3. 1,005 attacks against migrant shelters in 2015. "Far-right activists are suspected in 90% of the

cases."

Justice Minister Heiko Maas said it was a new level of "hate and violence".

"Hate and violence" - two things that 'far-right activists' are quite good at. German right-wingers using hate and violence against a minority - a 21st century German version of the KKK or an updated version of a 20th century German phenomenon?

[christx30]

5. With over 600 attacks and crimes

on New Year's Eve, 1005 attacks all year seems rather tame.
I'd be curious to find out about crimes by the migrants. I'm curious about how many of those crimes are prosecuted.

http://m.smh.com.au/world/cologne-weekend-feature-nick-miller--seo-here-20160114-gm62sa.html

[pampango]

7. "1005 attacks all year seems rather tame." Perhaps the far-right should increase

the number of attacks on refugee shelters? The far-right attacking the buildings sheltering innocent refugees is justifiable as some kind of vigilante justice for crimes that some migrants have committed?

Would 1,000 attacks - arson attacks, hand grenades, etc. - against homeless shelters in the US be considered 'tame' if some homeless have committed crimes?

I'd be curious to find out about crimes by the migrants. I'm curious about how many of those crimes are prosecuted.

I hope they are prosecuted. But we differ in that I do not consider attacking 1,000 refugee shelters in a year as 'tame' response for crimes that may or may not be prosecuted.

[christx30]

20. The attacks are a response to

government inaction, bad government policies, and cover up of crimes committed by migrants.
You got 600 criminal complaints in one night, with only 44 arrested for those crimes 30 days after it happened. Unless those 44 people have inhuman stamina, that's not even scratching the surface in dealing with the problem created by the migrants. There were more people arrested for speech violations in that time for speaking out against the animals (yes, I called them animals). That shows a piss poor sense of priorities, and going after the low hanging fruit. The people don't feel protected by their government. They don't feel their government has their best interests in mind. So they act out. They are forcing vigilante groups. Every major city has a "________ is watching" group, trying to do the job the police seem unable or unwilling to do. Protect the people.

I say, God be with them.

[pampango]

22. The attacks are on refugee shelters housing people who have nothing to with crimes others have

committed. How about a little compassion for those innocent refugees and less justification for the actions of RW vigilantes?

They don't feel their government has their best interests in mind. So they act out. They are forcing vigilante groups.

I say, God be with them.

That is what the RW vigilantes at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge say. "Our government does not have our best interests in mind. So they are forcing us to act as vigilantes. God is with us."

[smirkymonkey]

24. Once again, most of them are not innocent Syrian refugees.

A majority of them are muslim economic migrants from non-war torn countries looking for a free ride upon European social benefits. They deserve nothing and should be immediately deported.

[pampango]

31. I have heard figures from 40% to 70% are genuine refugees. Anyone who says they KNOW

what a majority of them are is blowing smoke.

A majority of them are muslim economic migrants from non-war torn countries looking for a free ride upon European social benefits.

That is right out of the Marine Le Pen, Geert Wilders campaign slogans. (Though you left out the other RW accusation that they will still the jobs and lower the wages of native-born Europeans.)

And even if many (most?) in a refugee center are economic migrants who should be deported that hardly justifies hand grenade and fire bomb attacks on refugee shelters. Many, even if a minority, of those in a shelter are indeed genuine refugees. "Vigilante justice" is never justified.

[LeftishBrit]

58. Even if SOME of them are not genuine refugees...

they hardly deserve to be attacked with grenades, do they?

You sound absolutely full of hate.

[christx30]

26. Once again:

44 have been arrested for violent crimes against women out of 600 criminal complaints.
200+ have been arrested for speech crimes for speaking out about the lack of action from the government. Where are the priorities?

[smirkymonkey]

42. Once again, most of them are not innocent Syrian refugees.

A majority of them are muslim economic migrants from non-war torn countries looking for a free ride upon European social benefits. They deserve nothing and should be immediately deported.

[uhnope]

48. yr an apologist for far-right and neo-Nazi violence. Do you support the Oregon RW occupiers also?

would you say the same thing about the RW militia occupiers of that Oregon refuge, that they are just "in response to government inaction, bad government policies, and cover up of crimes committed by migrants"? Because that's pretty much exactly what they say they are.

Disgusting.

[christx30]

50. No. I think the guys in Oregon are idiots.

Are in an apologist for the rapists on New Years Eve in Germany?

[uhnope]

53. and the grenade-throwers are smart? Is that what you're saying

WTF

[christx30]

59. I'm saying the grenade-throwers are angry

because the police aren't doing their jobs. 600 police reports from that night. Only 44 arrests. More people have been arrested for speech crimes since that day than were arrested for sexual assaults from that night. Those are BS priorities. We got the mayor of Cologne advising women to keep strangers at arms length, keep walking in your group. Nothing about going after the guilty.
There are plans to lower the threshold for deportation for criminals, and I do support those. But the German government threw open the door and said "Come on in", with no attempt to vet anyone, and no thought about the problems that the migrants would cause.

[uhnope]

60. the RW Oregon occupiers are angry too

keep digging that hole full of excuses for RW violence that you're in

[christx30]

64. The RW Oregon idiots are angry over

subjective things that should effect no one in their daily lives. The people in Germany are angry over actual harm caused to them by migrants that have robbed and sexually assaulted people.
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35326090
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-challenges-in-idUSKCN0V6173
http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/unternehmen/angst-in-der-fluechtlingskrise-600-prozent-mehr-nachfrage-pfefferspray-bundesweit-fast-ausverkauft_id_5067456.html (needs to translate from German)

The people are scared and pissed. The government is giving feel good, meaningless Band-Aids to deal with the problems. When the police refuse to help, people aren't just going to sit there on their asses and do nothing. They are going to take the law into their own hands.
What do you suggest people do when the law won't protect them?

What would you do in the case of that Danish woman who fended off a rapist with pepperspray? The Danish government is prosecuting her. Isn't that sweet?

[uhnope]

66. keep digging, keep digging with your RW propaganda on DU

In going thru the search links for your pepperspray story--and the only ones connecting it to the refugees, since there is no connection--are right wing websites and tabloids. Breitbart, Glenn Beck, WND, RT...the only one I clicked on was the Daily Mail tabloid, and at least they admit there's no connection. "It is unclear if the man was an asylum seeker or refugee."

So the story has nothing to do with the subject. If you have a problem with Danish laws on concealed weapons, start a thread on that.

BTW which RW website did you get your info from? JihadWatch? I'm betting, somehow, RT.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3418751/Danish-17-year-old-girl-used-pepper-spray-fight-rapist-near-migrant-asylum-centre-told-prosecuted-carrying-weapon.html#ixzz3ymNFi4SD
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[smirkymonkey]

10. Part of what is driving this is the fact that the government and LEO's look the other way when it

comes to immigrant crime - they can do whatever they want and go unpunished. The natives are beyond fed up with it so they turn to vigilante justice. Merkel needs to start addressing the needs of the German people and crack down on immigrants who do commit crimes. She also needs to put a stop to the flood of young, single muslim males pouring into the country. If she doesn't, it's only going to get worse.

[Dems to Win]

4. Chemistry Professor facing action for interrupting Merkel speech opening new science institute

http://www.mz-web.de/merseburg-querfurt/merseburger-professor-protestiert-gegen-angela-merkel-ruege-fuer-kritiker-thomas-roedel,20641044,33620548.html (in german)

Using Chrome translate, some bits:

The protest action of a professor of the University of Merseburg during the speech by German Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU) to the opening of the new Fraunhofer Institute on Monday in Halle has a sequel. The Rector of the University, Jörg Kirbs, distanced himself on Tuesday: "The university is worked up this behavior, whereby any legal action must be examined."

During Merkel's speech held up a poster

Thomas Rödel, professor of chemistry, had held up a poster during Merkel's speech: "No experiments. CDU ". He was afraid for the future of his children, he had also called to the Chancellor. And: "I expect them as a physicist more responsible decisions." He was referring to the refugee policy. Merkel had replied: "I'm going to my responsibilities and will pay attention to everything, so that Germany has a good future." Rödel was led out of the hall.

This is an unprecedented action by the professor, very unusual in Germany. He must have felt there was no other way to be heard.

If you follow the link, you can see video of the professor disrupting Merkel's speech.

[Marrah_G]

8. This is terrible

It was a mistake to allow in so many refugees at once. The refugees have a difficult time assimilating and the countries are having a hard time housing, feeding and educating them. It is a recipe for disaster and will bolster the racists ranks.

[Jesus Malverde]

15. It's just as likely to have come from some of the former fighters in Syria.

5 years into the CIA war there are thousands of Syrian combat veterans roaming around. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion these were racists attacking. Could just as well be rival gangs. Who after all has had recent access to grenades.

[uhnope]

49. lol. Please entertain us with more of the Kremlin's conspiracy theories

[Sunlei]

18. 1,005 attacks on refugee homes last year. They need to start arresting the attackers & stop

letting the hate groups in Germany post target-addresses on their online websites.

[Dems to Win]

34. Merkel says refugees must return home once war over

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-refugees-idUSKCN0V80IH

snip...
But growing concern about the country's ability to cope and worries about crime and security after assaults on women are weighing on support for Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party and its Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union (CSU).

Merkel said that despite efforts to integrate refugees and help them, it was important to stress that they had only been given permission to stay for a limited period of time.

"We need ... to say to people that this is a temporary residential status and we expect that once there is peace in Syria again, once IS has been defeated in Iraq, that you go back to your home country with the knowledge that you have gained," she said at a meeting of CDU members in the state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania.

She said 70 percent of refugees that fled to Germany from the war in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s had returned to their home countries.

Not sure how this is supposed to work. I had read that after three years the refugees can get permanent residency in Germany, allowing them to travel freely in the EU.

[pampango]

35. Nice article. Far-right "AfD leader Frauke Petry said that border guards should, if necessary, shoot

at migrants trying to enter illegally.

No police officer wanted to shoot at a migrant, Petry said, adding "I don't want that either but, ultimately, deterrence includes the use of armed force".

Such comments evoke memories of Germany's Cold War division, when guards in the communist East, led by Erich Honecker, were under orders to shoot people attempting to cross the heavily fortified border into the West.

"The last German politician who let refugees be shot at was Erich Honecker," said Thomas Oppermann, a senior member of the Social Democrats."

[branford]

36. Everyone knows that these 99.99+% of these migrants, including those who are actual refugees,

are never leaving Germany. Worse, their numbers will almost certainly quadruple or more in a few years after family reunifications (and new migrants are still coming in droves).

The fact that Merkel is resorting to such rhetoric is a sign of political desperation. Turkey is not going to help, and even if the EU could bribe them and Turkey wanted to assist, they EU doesn't have that sort of money in the budget, refugee sharing and resettlement has been proven totally impractical, the criminal and other social problems are worsening, the press is increasingly willing to report on the migrants to save their own reputations and commercial viability, Schengen is quite literally under siege, and everything will deteriorate further as the weather improves comes Spring.

Both Merkel and the EU leadership apparently are out of ideas, money and popular support.

I honestly don't know how the EU can realistically significantly stem the flow of new refugees and quickly deal with the problems of the ones currently in residence. However, if EU leaders don't do something meaningful in short order, the voters will elect new blood, and these people will almost certainly be on the right and far right.

[pampango]

38. If liberal governments cannot or will not find and deport those who are not

legally supposed to be in the country and protect its citizens fairly and effectively, you are right people will elect a far-right, law-and-order government that will find the ability and already has the desire to deport them all and provide all the 'security' one could want.

For the sake of a liberal Germany, I hope that liberals do not prove to be incapable due to inefficiency or 'political correctness' of governing the country. They have made mistakes. What government does not? If liberals in government do not learn from their mistakes, people will turn to the right. That has happened before in Germany. None of us want to see that happen again.

[Scootaloo]

37. For fuck's sake. Someone attacks migrants and DU's response? "IT'S THE MIGRANT'S FAULT!"

[branford]

39. No that's not what anyone said.

People simply acknowledged that such attacks are entirely unsurprising in the current political atmosphere. Accepting reality is not a moral judgment, no less support for the violence.

However, if you indeed want to discuss potential instances of victim blaming, we can consider such ridiculousness as Cologne's mayor discussing a "code of conduct" for women in order to avoid sexual assault.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35243482

[branford]

41. Are you kidding?

Kindly point out where I condoned, in any way, violent attacks on any migrants?

People can support tougher policies concerning migrants and still be appalled by and oppose any violence.

I and others simply pointed out the entirely unsurprising reality that when people feel their government is not responsive to their needs and concerns, the political fringe often acts out in violent and unacceptable ways. The attack in the OP was not the first, will not be the last, and no matter how much you or I oppose such violence, they will continue until the problems concerning the migrants are dealt with effectively by the respective governments.

[smirkymonkey]

43. Forget it. You are completely sensible. She is completely insane and

always overreacts to things like this. You will never get her to see things rationally.

[uhnope]

51. would you also make excuses for the RW occupiers in Oregon?

Same logic, same excuses as the ones you are making

[branford]

61. I'll say this again,

to understand why something is happening and its context does not mean I or anyone else agree with or excuse the conduct. You can stop the hyperbolic, disingenuous, straw man garbage.

Civilized, reasonable people do not throw grenades into hostels. Not everyone is civilized and reasonable, regardless of race, nationality, religion, etc.

Based on the entirety of human history and understanding our nature, only a fool wouldn't be able to easily predict that a rapid influx of hundreds of thousands of refugees into Europe, largely young single men from a vastly different culture, against the wishes of much of the resident citizen population, and governments unwilling or unable to deal with the resulting issues, including actually covering-up crimes, was bound to incite an already volatile fringe. Violent incidents like the OP weren't the first of its kind in Germany and elsewhere, it will not be the last, and until the various governments get a handle on things, similar incidents will happen in the future no matter how much you or I disapprove.

The people who committed the violence should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but it's obvious that the political is linked to the criminal among a small group of violent people. This is a simple and undeniable fact, and recognition of reality is not excusing the perpetrators of crime.

[uhnope]

63. what your naive analysis lacks is

any understanding or even apparent knowledge of the RW movement in Europe and its history, roots, causes and supporters. A person throwing a grenade at a Muslim family is not a disgruntled citizen. It's a neo-Nazi operative.

Let me ask you this. If a similar migrant crisis were happening in the USA, would you consider throwing bombs at the refugee centers?

If not, then stop with this it's only natural stuff.

[branford]

65. Yes, if similar events were happening in the USA,

it would be very easy to predict that there would indeed be violent incidents perpetrated by small groups despite their criminal nature or the disapproval by a majority of citizens.

I would not be surprised to learn that the grenade throwers in the OP were neo-Nazis. However, the disgruntled and violent in human, no less modern European, history have hardly been confined to the right of the political spectrum. If the migrant problems continue to fail to be properly addressed by the various governments, particularly matters of housing, employment and personal safety, I would expect (but certainly not condone) fringe groups from both the left and right to increasingly resort of antisocial behavior and outright violence.

[Judi Lynn]

44. I'm certain it's the response of people masquerading as Democrats.

Democrats are not racist reactionaries, these people don't have anything in common with them.

It is a shock because hate speech like that doesn't come out of the mouths of Democrats, not since the Civil Rights era, and the racists in the Party instantly peeled away and became Republicans.

Thanks for your decent comment.

[Kurska]

45. RIP Scoot

See you in 2 months

@ your hidden post

[uhnope]

67. Was that the worst hide EVER? But I got Scoot's back.

see above in the thread.

[Kurska]

46. "This open door policy will end in tears for everyone involved"

- Me early 2015 for which I was called a racist.


Am I allowed to say I told you so yet?

[Babel_17]

47. Everyone needs to denounce that

That's totally beyond the pale and that needs to be pounded home.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/beyond_the_pale

[LeftishBrit]

52. Horrible

These racists are terrorists. Thank God they didn't succeed. This time.