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Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:24 PM Jan 2016

Clinton Iowa Volunteers Train When To Push Backers To O’Malley — To Block Bernie

Source: BuzzFeed

Hillary Clinton’s campaign for president is instructing its Iowa caucus leaders to — in certain cases — throw support to former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, with the goal blocking her main opponent, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, from securing additional delegates.

The tactical move is rooted in the complex math of the Iowa caucuses Monday night, where the campaign is looking to defeat Sanders in a state whose caucus-goers have historically backed progressive challengers.
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The goal, in the caucuses’ complex terms, is to cost Clinton no delegates in the state’s 1,681 caucuses while ensuring stray O’Malley supporters don’t defect to Sanders.
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“It’s sad and telling that their campaign doesn’t think they can win without these kinds of tactics,” said Rania Batrice, Sanders’s Iowa spokesperson. “At the end of the day though, we believe in the caucus process and know it’s in the very capable hands of Iowans.”

Read more: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/hillary-bernie-math#.hg45E8zrJE



I was limited by the number of paragraphs.

There is a history of this sort of thing at the Iowa caucuses that the article explains
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Clinton Iowa Volunteers Train When To Push Backers To O’Malley — To Block Bernie (Original Post) Jarqui Jan 2016 OP
Yeah, that's how caucuses work and it means the Clinton campaign learned from 2008. I personally Metric System Jan 2016 #1
It's the price you pay for having a form of Instant runoff voting which primaries do not have. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #2
Except that O'Malley voters are much closer to Bernie than they are to Hillary on JDPriestly Jan 2016 #9
Hillary Clinton, broader experience you can trust. pangaia Jan 2016 #11
Indeed lsewpershad Jan 2016 #33
“It’s sad and telling that their campaign doesn’t think they can win without these kinds of tactics FreakinDJ Jan 2016 #3
I don't fault them for it. If Sanders were positioned similarly he would do so. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #4
Even if it's part of the "game" in Iowa... SoapBox Jan 2016 #5
Makes one actually sick. Because to her it is all a game. Win jwirr Jan 2016 #20
How Hilarian. GoneOffShore Jan 2016 #6
It's typical of how caucuses work. The Obama campaign did the same in 2008. Metric System Jan 2016 #7
Yes, and per the linked article, the Clinton campaign was outraged. Jim Lane Jan 2016 #18
That's politics. It was sour grapes. Metric System Jan 2016 #19
Even if the explanation for the hypocrisy is "sour grapes" it's still hypocrisy. (nt) Jim Lane Jan 2016 #21
Sorry, but this is not Hillarian, it is typical for the Iowa Caucus. Obama was the master StevieM Jan 2016 #8
Well, that makes it ok then. pangaia Jan 2016 #12
Back then Hypocritical Hill denounced Obama for doing it. snagglepuss Jan 2016 #26
You don't think the Sanders person is going to do the same thing? George II Jan 2016 #15
Really... kracer20 Jan 2016 #10
straight out of the Republican playbook. If you can't win, change the rules, cheat. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #13
Iowa has stupid rules and you don't need to change them to play the angles within them. nt TeamPooka Jan 2016 #16
If true it suggests the Hillary team is not going to caught flat footed like in 2008. DCBob Jan 2016 #14
^ This. n/t OhZone Jan 2016 #17
True. Brilliant move if needed Stuckinthebush Jan 2016 #28
She can not win on her merits Pastiche423 Jan 2016 #22
I wondered why O'Malley was still hanging around. nt Snotcicles Jan 2016 #23
And IF Bernie people sit with Hillary first her math will be... Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #24
I'm not sure I believe in the "Caucus Process." californiabernin Jan 2016 #25
Nothing new here 4dsc Jan 2016 #27
Is Karl Rove her campaign manager now? merkins Jan 2016 #29
think by now those voters won't change their mind. Its republicans who should panic over trump lol Sunlei Jan 2016 #30
The Clintons historically have not done well in Iowa. davsand Jan 2016 #31
I seriously doubt Bernie would ever do something like this. Gregorian Jan 2016 #32

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
1. Yeah, that's how caucuses work and it means the Clinton campaign learned from 2008. I personally
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jan 2016

think they suck.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
2. It's the price you pay for having a form of Instant runoff voting which primaries do not have.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jan 2016

Primaries and Caucuses as currently run both have their problems. And yes, this part of the caucus process definitely sucks.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. Except that O'Malley voters are much closer to Bernie than they are to Hillary on
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jan 2016

the issues and that O'Malley would, I suspect, have a better chance of a position in a Sanders administration than in a Clinton one.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
3. “It’s sad and telling that their campaign doesn’t think they can win without these kinds of tactics
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jan 2016

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
4. I don't fault them for it. If Sanders were positioned similarly he would do so.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jan 2016

It's just part of the caucus game.

There are also situations where Sanders supporters will want to keep O'Malley viable to keep Clinton from picking up an extra delegate.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
5. Even if it's part of the "game" in Iowa...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:41 PM
Jan 2016

Camp Weathervane wouldn't have to do it.

But they do...because they look at it as a "game" and dirty politics are just second nature to their tired/old school tactics.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
20. Makes one actually sick. Because to her it is all a game. Win
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jan 2016

or lose she is part of the 1%. It is not a game to most of us. What becomes of our future is vital. To lose it because someone is playing games is to know hopelessness.

Go Bernie Go

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
18. Yes, and per the linked article, the Clinton campaign was outraged.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jan 2016

So, in 2008, the Clinton campaign didn't dismiss this as being "typical of how caucuses work."

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
8. Sorry, but this is not Hillarian, it is typical for the Iowa Caucus. Obama was the master
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jan 2016

of this stuff back in 2008.

kracer20

(199 posts)
10. Really...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jan 2016

I just love how there is no denial or questioning the source.

They know it is sleazy, and their only responses are "Obama did it" or "that is how the game is played"

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
14. If true it suggests the Hillary team is not going to caught flat footed like in 2008.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 07:44 PM
Jan 2016

I doubt they will even need to do this to win but it might help give them a more solid victory.

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
28. True. Brilliant move if needed
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jan 2016

Politics is a game. You learn how to play by being beaten by various strategies in the past.

Smart way to play this ridiculous caucus game.

 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
25. I'm not sure I believe in the "Caucus Process."
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jan 2016

What's wrong with the simple idea of each person casting a vote???

 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
27. Nothing new here
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 12:35 AM
Jan 2016

this has been going on since I caucused over 30 years ago. If your group doesn't get 15% then you have to go to a viable group.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
30. think by now those voters won't change their mind. Its republicans who should panic over trump lol
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:33 PM
Jan 2016

That's the real campaign circus and sideshow to laugh over LOL, they built that.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
31. The Clintons historically have not done well in Iowa.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jan 2016

I'm not trying to be snarky here, but I'm thinking I remember that Bill never showed all that well in Iowa. I know Hillary didn't do win in Iowa against Obama, either. (I'm not surprised at the showing against Obama, however. Iowa is just across the river from Illinois, and I know a LOT of folks that went to Iowa to work that primary for Obama. We might be a corrupt political cesspool here in Illinois, but we DO know how to put together a campaign.) It could be that Clinton will do well with this strategy, but it could also really piss off the locals. You underestimate rural voters at your own peril, and Iowa is a lot of rural folks. With any luck the weather will cooperate.

It will be interesting to see how Iowa plays out.


Laura

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
32. I seriously doubt Bernie would ever do something like this.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jan 2016

A perfect statement for mocking if I ever did see one. But it's true.

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