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Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:49 AM Feb 2016

Michigan 3-year-old shoots mother in the head

Source: Associated Press

Michigan 3-year-old shoots mother in the head

Updated 6:49 pm, Saturday, February 20, 2016

KENTWOOD, Mich. (AP) — Police say a 3-year-old Michigan boy accidentally shot his mother in the head but she is expected to survive.

Kentwood, Michigan police told the Grand Rapids Press (http://bit.ly/1mPklHr ) that the woman was shot in the back of the head. She was conscious and talking with first responders at the scene.

Sgt. Stephanie Morningstar could not immediately provide more details of the incident at a private home.

Kentwood is 10 miles south of Grand Rapids in western Michigan.

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Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Michigan-3-year-old-shoots-mother-in-the-head-6844721.php



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Michigan 3-year-old shoots mother in the head (Original Post) Judi Lynn Feb 2016 OP
What can you say, poor woman and check if she should be arrested because her 3 yo had access to a trillion Feb 2016 #1
this should cause revulsion of the nra and gun loving philosophy - but it won't MariaThinks Feb 2016 #17
She absolutely should be arrested. lark Feb 2016 #30
Another sad story due to the out of control gun culture in this country. LonePirate Feb 2016 #2
Oh, for chrissake Tab Feb 2016 #3
And just how do you plan on accomplishing that without starting a civil war? eom. GGJohn Feb 2016 #7
It may actually require one. Tab Feb 2016 #9
Despite what you may want, GGJohn Feb 2016 #10
I also don't want the police and military to be the only ones with tanks. Oh wait MillennialDem Feb 2016 #22
You do know that you can own a fully functioning tank don't you? GGJohn Feb 2016 #23
Pretty cost prohibitive. The number of fully functional tanks that would be used on MillennialDem Feb 2016 #27
Absolutism is indeed, the last refuge of the irrational, the myopic and the dogmatic LanternWaste Feb 2016 #47
Translation please. eom. GGJohn Feb 2016 #48
Yeah right rjsquirrel Feb 2016 #53
What makes you think the military will turn against the American population? GGJohn Feb 2016 #54
The last Civil War sarisataka Feb 2016 #37
Remove your weapon crim son Feb 2016 #42
And how do you plan on removing over 300 million privately owned firearms? GGJohn Feb 2016 #43
Never happen SwankyXomb Feb 2016 #20
.... GGJohn Feb 2016 #24
Nah, it's more about threatening people. MillennialDem Feb 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Feb 2016 #31
I did not say that. Wrong poster smart guy. MillennialDem Feb 2016 #32
You're right, and I deleted it. GGJohn Feb 2016 #34
Another responsible gunowner. Chakab Feb 2016 #4
.^that 840high Feb 2016 #25
But, but,, MyOwnPeace Feb 2016 #5
She did. Apparently her toddler disarmed her. Vinca Feb 2016 #6
I'm glad there were never any lethal weapons in my house Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #8
There was never a gun in my house when I was a kid. IrishEyes Feb 2016 #18
My family either. My dad made a very good decision on not having them around. trillion Feb 2016 #36
All of my brothers and sisters grew up around firearms, GGJohn Feb 2016 #39
On your person or locked up....also a sidearm with a safety like the Shield ileus Feb 2016 #11
Do we need more details? skepticscott Feb 2016 #12
The detail that will be coming is no charges were pressed becuase it was an unfortunate "accident." trillion Feb 2016 #38
Well, in this case, they won't file charges skepticscott Feb 2016 #45
I really don't want to jump to any conclusions ... LannyDeVaney Feb 2016 #13
Seems there were quite a few shootings...... llmart Feb 2016 #14
Poisoning people with lead in the water apparently isn't working fast enough. :( n/t eggplant Feb 2016 #21
we'll be seeing more of this Locrian Feb 2016 #15
Pew pew alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #16
Serves her right for letting a baby have access to a gun. Of course, if she'd given the baby valerief Feb 2016 #19
I nominate the mom for this years Darwin Award awake Feb 2016 #26
Not eligible, she survived. -none Feb 2016 #33
More important is that she has already reproduced, so she hasn't eliminated her genes from future tblue37 Feb 2016 #41
2 gun accidents posted here in 2 days. lark Feb 2016 #29
Guns don't kill people, rusty fender Feb 2016 #35
ISIS recruitment is getting younger IronLionZion Feb 2016 #40
The women would have been OK if she didn't have a toddler Person 2713 Feb 2016 #46
There is no excuse for leaving firearms unsecured. ManiacJoe Feb 2016 #44
Then why aren't the negligent penalized in these cases? maxsolomon Feb 2016 #49
That would be an excellent question for the prosecuting attorneys. ManiacJoe Feb 2016 #50
Pew pew alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #51
Can the gun makers now be legislated into safety mechanisms on guns now?! This is crazy-making! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #52
 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
1. What can you say, poor woman and check if she should be arrested because her 3 yo had access to a
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:52 AM
Feb 2016

gun?

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
17. this should cause revulsion of the nra and gun loving philosophy - but it won't
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:23 AM
Feb 2016

they'll talk about stuff what will never help.

- arrest the woman
- more education (who would pay for it? how would it be mandated? isn't that against the mutated interpretation of the 2nd amendment).

and when all has been said and done, this will be forgotten and we'll move to the next gun related massacre. There was one in Michigan recently.

lark

(23,147 posts)
30. She absolutely should be arrested.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:48 PM
Feb 2016

Not only did the 3 year old have access to a gun, it wasn't locked and it was loaded and obviously ready to go. Getting shot herself isn't sufficient, it easily could have been the baby himself.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
3. Oh, for chrissake
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:03 AM
Feb 2016

This country, I swear, needs to be disarmed. Not more gun control. Simple disarmament.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
10. Despite what you may want,
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:23 AM
Feb 2016

this country will never be disarmed, and quite frankly, I don't want the police or the military to be the only ones with firearms.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
23. You do know that you can own a fully functioning tank don't you?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:10 PM
Feb 2016

But I don't want the police to have any Armored vehicles either, the military, that's ok as long as they're not used on American citizens.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
27. Pretty cost prohibitive. The number of fully functional tanks that would be used on
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:44 PM
Feb 2016

American police or military (outside of captured ones) would be zero.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
47. Absolutism is indeed, the last refuge of the irrational, the myopic and the dogmatic
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 04:24 PM
Feb 2016

"this country will never be disarmed..."

Absolutism is indeed, the last refuge of the irrational, the myopic and the dogmatic. You allow the wish to be the father of the thought and in doing so, receive all the credibility you indeed, warrant.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
53. Yeah right
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:34 PM
Feb 2016

Because you armed citizens will surely stand your ground against RPGs and .50 cal machine guns and APCs (never mind close air support) with your AR-15s

lol.

sarisataka

(18,755 posts)
37. The last Civil War
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:26 PM
Feb 2016

had over one million casualties with ~620,000 killed in action and ~50,000 civilians dead. Historians are calculation however that those number may be 20% too low.

The 1860 census put the US population at 31,443,321. Today our population is about 10x that of 1860. I will let you figure the human cost of another civil war.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
43. And how do you plan on removing over 300 million privately owned firearms?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:18 PM
Feb 2016

You really think Americans will stand for this?
The latest poll shows that 75% of Americans support private ownership of firearms, so, how do you get past that?

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
20. Never happen
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:27 PM
Feb 2016

The gun scum will fight to your last breath for their right to shoot whoever they want, whenever they want, wherever they want.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
24. ....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:11 PM
Feb 2016
The gun scum will fight to your last breath for their right to shoot whoever they want, whenever they want, wherever they want.


Really? Can you point out that right?

Response to MillennialDem (Reply #28)

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
34. You're right, and I deleted it.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:15 PM
Feb 2016

Sorry about that, long night last night, Mountain Lion got into our calf pens and killed 2 of our calves.

Vinca

(50,302 posts)
6. She did. Apparently her toddler disarmed her.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:08 AM
Feb 2016

As long as everyone in this country can have as many weapons of any kind that they want, families will be burying the victims. The lady is lucky to be alive. I hope she faces criminal charges for leaving a loaded gun laying around. Not that it will matter much. Most likely the moron next door does the very same thing.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
8. I'm glad there were never any lethal weapons in my house
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:17 AM
Feb 2016

when I was growing up. I think everyone had a BB gun, because the manufacturer was right there in town. But we all grew out of that by our early teens.

IrishEyes

(3,275 posts)
18. There was never a gun in my house when I was a kid.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:27 AM
Feb 2016

My parents would never have allowed it. No one in my family has ever shot a gun except those that had been in the military. Also, my brother is a police officer so he has a gun. I can't imagine owning a gun personally. I would feel unsafe having it in my home.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
36. My family either. My dad made a very good decision on not having them around.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:25 PM
Feb 2016

It was a fun, carefree childhood.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
39. All of my brothers and sisters grew up around firearms,
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:49 PM
Feb 2016

and we had a fun, carefree childhood, so what's your point?

Millions of children grow up around and use firearms and still have a fun, carefree childhood.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
11. On your person or locked up....also a sidearm with a safety like the Shield
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:39 AM
Feb 2016

may have helped.


I know a lot of people don't like a safety on a SD firearm, but IMHO it's worth the extra training.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
12. Do we need more details?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:05 AM
Feb 2016

We've heard this story so many times, we can pretty much fill them in ourselves. Dumbassed, reckless parent leaves a loaded, unsecured firearm where a small child can get at it...etc., etc.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
38. The detail that will be coming is no charges were pressed becuase it was an unfortunate "accident."
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

Just like drunk drivers killing people was an unfortunate "accident" in the early 80's and it took years of MADD to change that opinion. We need to change it on guns.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
45. Well, in this case, they won't file charges
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:40 PM
Feb 2016

Because the person they would charge is probably also the one that got shot. But it's true that if someone else had been shot instead (like the 3 year old's older sibling), they would probably still regard it as an "accident". The best thing to do in the aftermath of an incident like this is to reinforce the notion that there are no accidents with guns.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
13. I really don't want to jump to any conclusions ...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:22 AM
Feb 2016

until I know the race of the mother. And the religion of the toddler. And what the toddler was wearing. And the father.

But not the gun. The gun is irrelevant.

llmart

(15,552 posts)
14. Seems there were quite a few shootings......
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:26 AM
Feb 2016

in Michigan this weekend. Michigan is vying in a race to the bottom.

This is what happens when you have a love affair with guns.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
15. we'll be seeing more of this
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:54 AM
Feb 2016

I live ~ 200 miles from there and this whole area is in love with guns. SW Michigan is especially conservative country.

And *everybody* is getting one and carrying - usually with a round chambered and ready to go. Cause if ya don't -well then what good is it if you have to shoot quick? People who have absolutely zero real need except a perceived fear and that they're better off with one "just in case". People with zero training, zero experience, zero safety mindset (I won't get into the mindset that is required to be on 24/7 *alert* *danger* *fear*). No balance of consequences, no realization of responsibility.

It's almost as if they're treating them as iPhones. A status and group thing. Lots of young, women, esp men - all "into" them and especially thinking that carrying them around is no big deal. Cause "just in case".


Disclaimer: as always - there are exceptions and "responsible" people with real needs etc. And THEY should be the MOST pissed and upset about these incidents.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
19. Serves her right for letting a baby have access to a gun. Of course, if she'd given the baby
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:35 AM
Feb 2016

gun training, it would be a different story. (NRA logic)

tblue37

(65,483 posts)
41. More important is that she has already reproduced, so she hasn't eliminated her genes from future
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:06 PM
Feb 2016

generations. No Darwin Award for her.

lark

(23,147 posts)
29. 2 gun accidents posted here in 2 days.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:45 PM
Feb 2016

Yet many claim there are almost no gun accidents? Wonder why?

maxsolomon

(33,384 posts)
49. Then why aren't the negligent penalized in these cases?
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 08:30 PM
Feb 2016

"It's just a tragic accident". "they've suffered enough".

Mom needs to go to the hoosegow for a spell, once she's patched up. And lose her right to carry a gun, at least temporarily. Negligence should carry consequences.

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