Georgia state House votes to allow guns on public college campuses

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Reuters

Georgia state House votes to allow guns on public college campuses
Reuters
By David Beasley
5 hours ago

ATLANTA (Reuters) - Concealed handguns would be allowed on Georgia's public college campuses under a measure that cleared the state's House of Representatives and now heads to the Senate over the objections of university leaders.

The bill, which was approved by the Republican-dominated House on Monday, would let anyone 21 or over with a concealed weapons permit take their handguns on public college campuses but not into dormitories, fraternity and sorority houses or sporting events.

"The House took a very clear position that the Second Amendment does not stop at the edge of a college campus," Speaker David Ralston, a Republican, said following passage of the bill, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

A Democratic opponent of the bill, State Representative Robert Trammell, said in a phone interview on Tuesday that he believed the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment allowed handguns to be barred from "sensitive" places such as college campuses.

"In addition to the question of public safety, a weapon in a classroom environment is antithetical to the idea and mission of post-secondary education," Trammell said.

Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/georgia-state-house-votes-allow-guns-public-college-165628262.html

[onehandle]

1. I left Georgia after living there for 90% of my life so far with no regrets. nt

[The Traveler]

2. Where'd ya go

This place (Georgia) has gone from backward to bat shit crazy.

Trav

[onehandle]

4. Philadelphia.

I do miss The Varsity.

That's about it.

[Hoyt]

20. The onion rings and fried pies aren't nearly as good after changing to healthier oil.

Cardiac events are way down though.

[The Traveler]

38. You arteries are probably better off that way

But I do understand!



Trav

[GGJohn]

3. i predict that the same thing will happen at Georgia's public colleges

as has happened at other state's colleges that allow for concealed carry........absolutely nothing.

[a la izquierda]

6. Right...except for a diminishing of academic freedom.

http://www.thismess.net/2016/02/threats-to-academic-freedom-guns-vs.html

This is from powerpoint slide with a bullet pointed list of advice for faculty members now that University of Houston students can carry concealed firearms. It reads:

"You may want to
Be careful discussing sensitive topics.
Drop certain topics from your curriculum
Not "go there" if you sense anger.
Limit student access off hours.
Go to appointment-only office hours
Only meet 'that student' in controlled circumstances"
UH has confirmed the slide's authenticity. Here's the meeting page with attachments. Download the whole powerpoint.

[GGJohn]

15. Yet, none of this has happened at other state colleges that allow for CC.

So why would Georgia or Texas be any different?

[a la izquierda]

45. How, exactly, do you know what professors have done in their class in colleges where this is legal?

I'm curious.

[TipTok]

71. That is their own cowardice as educators...

No need to project onto others...

[a la izquierda]

72. Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

Cowardice as educators or the cowardice of grown ass adults who can't leave their toys at home.

[TipTok]

73. Maybe that's your problem...

Guns are tools and certainly not toys.

[onehandle]

7. How many mass shootings has gunfuckery prevented on campuses?

None.

They continue unabated.

As the country crowds and blues, gunfuckery dies.

[ManiacJoe]

14. Carry by the staff and faculty is voluntary, most chose not.

Virtually all the students are prohibited from carrying due to the 21 age requirement.

[GGJohn]

16. How many of those campuses we gun free zones?

As the country crowds and blues, gunfuckery dies.

Been hearing that for decades, so far, the opposite has proven to be true, but do carry on culture warrior.

[onehandle]

31. Decades since Heller?

Nope.

Heller was the beginning of the end.

Scalia is dead.

Shouldn't have pushed their luck, gun nuts shouldn't.

[GGJohn]

33. Well pardner, you just keep believing that,

meanwhile in the real world...........firearm rights keep expanding.

[Hoyt]

22. None, but I hear the racist frat boys, and ignorant parents, feel so much safer with their gunz.

Gunz on campus is just another cause pushed by racist legislators and their white constituency. NRA types like it too.

[GGJohn]

27. LOL, because you're so believable. eom.

[cynzke]

34. BET CAMPUS POLICE DON'T FEEL SAFER, LOL!

How many times do we read, Campus Police at Yada Yada U had to issue an emergency LOCKDOWN. Man with a gun spotted! It could be a "good guy" with a gun or a LUNATIC hoping to replicate those video games he plays locked up in a dark room for hours, days, years because the lunatic lost touch with reality. Shoot first and ask questions later. Better safe than sorry!

[Hoyt]

40. No joke. I doubt any feels safer but the sicko gun fanciers. And I'm not sure safety

is really what they are interested in.

[ManiacJoe]

69. Faculty and staff are not usually the trouble makers, armed or not.

Campus carry is not about the students. The vast majority of the traditional students are prohibited from carrying due to the 21 age limit. That leaves only the older half of the senior class as being eligible to carry.

Campus carry is about the faculty and staff.

[RKP5637]

5. Georgia, another flyover state. I know truckers that eat and tank up on either side of Georgia so

they don't have to stop/layover in Georgia.

[LonePirate]

8. Does the Second Amendment stop at the edge of the Georgia Statehouse, though?

[daleanime]

28. I kind of think that it does....

wonder why?

[monicaangela]

9. This is a shame...

"The flawed argument for expanding "campus carry" laws - that "only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun" - mistakenly assumes the average licenses carrier, in this case, college students, can conduct themselves with the tactical judgement and execution we expect from highly trained law enforcement officers", Alexander Evans, an Emory University student wrote in an editorial.

The bill, which was approved by the Republican-dominated House on Monday, would let anyone 21 or over with a concealed weapons permit take their handguns on public college campuses but not into dormitories, fraternity and sorority houses or sporting events.

We really need to do something about republicans that are pushing for more gun violence in this country. Vote them out every opportunity you get, otherwise this country doesn't have a prayer.

[antigop]

10. are guns allowed in the Georgia legislature? If not, why not? nt

[Hoyt]

23. Nope, they know how sick the people who tote in public really are.

[monicaangela]

11. Also in Georgia:

ELLIJAY, Ga. — It's legal for licensed gun owners in Georgia to pack heat in bars, schools, churches and some government buildings.

Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal, a Republican, on Wednesday signed the state's "Safe Carry Protection Act," which critics dubbed the "guns everywhere bill," in north Georgia, on the edge of the Chattahoochee National Forest and Cohutta Wilderness area.

"Our state has some of the best protections for gun owners in the United States. And today we strengthen those rights protected by our nation's most revered founding document," Deal said in signing the bill.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/23/georgia-gun-law/8046315/

Sounds like a good place to be from, wouldn't want to live there.

[Skittles]

12. gun humping cowards have won

[Dont call me Shirley]

13. That's gonna work out well...

[GGJohn]

18. Well, it sure hasn't been a problem in the other states that allow for CC on thier

public colleges.

[Dont call me Shirley]

19. Something bad will come of it, gun's track record.

[GGJohn]

21. I keep hearing that, yet nothing has happened, and I suspect nothing will happen. eom.

[Dont call me Shirley]

55. OMG, just read the news on gun violence in this country, it's everywhere! Guns always turn out bad.

[friendly_iconoclast]

57. GGJohn is correct- I suggest statistics instead of anecdotal evidence:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s

[Dont call me Shirley]

58. Those stats are amazing...

[friendly_iconoclast]

59. Violent crime and murder rates are at the lowest in decades. What's not to like?

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s

Of course, those with an axe to grind have been remarkably resistant to empirical evidence:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x360583

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12627406

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1352487

There has been an evidence-free moral panic about the subject of the OP *for years*

Here's an OP I posted five years ago, and the disinterested reader will note that not
one poster came up with an example of a CCW holder shooting up a campus:

What *empirical* evidence do you have that legal CCW weapons at colleges are harmful?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/en.wikipedia.org/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x382537#382537

And yet, you lot still insist that Something Bad Will Happen Any Day Now.

Since that was posted the number of guns in the US climbed dramatically,
gun laws got more liberal- and violent crime rates dropped.

Remind us again who's paranoid?

[Dont call me Shirley]

60. The gun toters are paranoid, that's why they carry guns.

[GGJohn]

62. Facts not in evidence,

and that's, like, just your opinion.

[friendly_iconoclast]

64. And yet, they seem disinclined to shoot up campuses- a fact you seem ...reluctant... to acknowledge

[GGJohn]

61. It's not everywhere, quit being so melodramatic.

My firearms have never turned bad, I trained them well, they never wander off on their own to create chaos and discord, they stay in their safe until I take them out for a walk to hunt or target shoot.

[Dont call me Shirley]

63. Until somebody steals them from you and uses them in a crime. That happens in reality.

[friendly_iconoclast]

65. Yes, it does. And then *the person that commits the crime* is held (or should be held) responsible

See how that works?

Agency, it's a wonderful thing...

[GGJohn]

66. Maybe you missed the part where I said they are in a safe?

And I live in a very safe place, quit being so paranoid.

[Dont call me Shirley]

70. Like I said, the gun toters are the paranoid ones, that's why they carry guns, fear and terror!

[GGJohn]

74. Well thank you Dr. Freud for the internet psychological evaluation.

[Dont call me Shirley]

75. My finance administrator will send you the bill. Thank you. Same time next week?

[GGJohn]

76. Naw,

I'll find another shrink that's credible.

[Dont call me Shirley]

77. Try Dr William Settles...

https://wsettles.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/guns-and-ed-how-american-men-are-proving-that-freud-was-right/

[Hoyt]

24. It demeans higher education for one thing.

[GGJohn]

26. Only in your mind. eom.

[Hoyt]

41. You wouldn't understand.

[GGJohn]

48. Don't fool yourself Hoyt,

I understand you perfectly.

[Hoyt]

49. Nope, you are smitten by gunz and all that goes with it.

[GGJohn]

50. Apparentlyt you have a reading comprehension problem, or a truth problem,

but whatever, I'm not going to correct you for the umpteenth time.

[ManiacJoe]

17. Do people really fear an armed staff and faculty?

Concealed carry on campus is not about the students. Most of them are prohibited due to the 21 age restriction. That allows only the oldest half of the senior class of the traditional students.

Concealed carry on campus is not a problems elsewhere. Is there something special about Georgia that would be a problem?

[Orrex]

25. Do the staff and faculty really fear the students?

[ManiacJoe]

29. It would seem not, since most faculty and staff choose not to carry.

However, some defense against the attackers is always a good thing.

[rusty quoin]

30. Yeah, I do. I happen to like gun free zones.

[ManiacJoe]

36. If the Bad Guys would only cooperate....

[rusty quoin]

37. You have a point...

...that NRA point. But there is no point in arguing with me. I like less guns and gun free zones.

[dchill]

32. Oh, goody! Soon maybe we will ALL live...

In Dodge City circa 1870...

[valerief]

35. Because Georgia doesn't give a fuck about its citizens. nt

[Judi Lynn]

39. It's as low as a culture can get, allowing monsters to swagger around with guns, threatening people.

Human beings shouldn't have to put up with this crap.

Why should scum get the upper hand in our country, anyway?

There is NO justification for it, not now, never was, never will be.

We know what civilization is, and it doesn't have time for cretins waddling around with weapons, trying to exercise power over human beings.

[hack89]

46. How are they threatening people if the guns are concealed?

you would never know they had a gun.

[kentauros]

42. All of these "guns on campus" bills/laws make me wonder

if this is part of their continued war on intellectualism. No, they'll never admit that they hope "liberal-elite" professors get shot, but I do suspect many are thinking that when they come up with these laws.

And since there's no "rampant intellectualism" going on inside of their statehouses, there's no need to allow guns in there

[brett_jv]

43. Clearly a not-so-subtle form of intimidation of the elitist intellectuals and their lofty 'thoughts'

Them lefty-professors will think twice spewing their commie ideas about EVOLUTION and EMPOWERMENT of MINORITIES and IMMIGRANTS and WOMENFOLK, and all their other liberal clap-trap ... if'n they know their classrooms are filled with good, Gawd-fearin' PATRIOTS packin' heat they ain't afraid to USE, boy-howdy!

[kentauros]

44. You talk jus' like one of 'em!

I am intimidated!

And you are lucky I don't own any guns

[TeddyR]

47. Huh

That's ridiculous.

[Hoyt]

51. The Georgia Legislature supports racism. Gunz in one's pants and racism are closely related.

[GGJohn]

52. ...

Gunz in one's pants and racism are closely related.

Got stats with a link to back that up Hoyt?

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

53. Where do they store the guns when they go to their dorms, sororities or fraternities?

Inside the glove compartment of their cars? What if you don't have a car? Does each dorm, etc., have a "gun room" where weapons are stored? Who supervises it, and during what hours? Questions, questions.

But we've got our guns!

[GGJohn]

54. Most colleges that allow for CC do provide secure lockers for firearms,

I would imagine that lockers will be provided at these colleges also.

[ManiacJoe]

67. The vast majority of the students are prohibited from carrying.

The 21 age limit allows only the older half of the senior class, assuming traditional students.

Concealed carry on campus is about the faculty and staff.

[jpak]

56. How 'Bout Them Dawgs!!!1111

idgits

yup