Two arrests made in 'black lives matter' beating of Marine

[shawn703]

Source: NY Daily News

The Washington D.C. Marine who was attacked after a group of strangers asked if he believed that "black lives matter" used the N-word just before the gruesome beatdown, a witness told police.

The revelation came following the arrest of two suspects Tuesday stemming from the Feb. 12 attack on 30-year-old Chris Marquez, a Hispanic Bronze Star recipient who has claimed he was pummeled by the group of black men and women outside a Penn Quarter McDonald's because of the color of his skin.

Marquez said "excuse me, n-----" as he walked by the group in McDonald's, the witness told cops, according to Fox 5. Marquez unloaded an expletive when a suspect asked what he said, according to the witness. The witness also said that Marquez wreaked of alcohol.

Read more: http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/arrests-made-black-lives-matter-beating-marine-article-1.2542324

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I knew there was more to this story.

[gregcrawford]

1. I guess the Daily News...

... doesn't believe in spell check. In this context, the correct spelling would be "reeked," as in smelled, not "wreaked," as in to wreak havoc, though that's what they clearly did to Marquez.

[MH1]

5. Yeah, I caught that too. Whatever happened to editing.

Sheesh.

(Some may think it's petty but fer cryin' out loud it's unprofessional to have stupid errors like that. Makes the rag look like .. a rag.)

[PatrynXX]

7. let alone grammar

I keep reading that first line and it's hard to tell who said the ** word. BLM or the Marine still can't figure it out. I believe the Marine did but thate first line is poorly written


The Washington D.C. Marine who was attacked after a group of strangers asked if he believed that "black lives matter" used the N-word just before the gruesome beatdown, a witness told police.


why would they ask the Marine if BLM used the N word before .. wait where are , whats going on.

[gregcrawford]

10. I'm an unrepentant grammar bully...

... and I write for living from time to time, so I agree with you wholeheartedly that professionals really have to pay closer attention. Grammar, sentence structure, punctuation, and misuse of words has increased dramatically in the past 10 or 20 years, and that's among trained (?) professionals who are supposed to know better. I see "honed in" instead of "homed in" all the time. Same with treating imply and infer as synonyms; that drives me nuts. And then there's the classic, "irregardless." An English teacher with whom my wife used to work still hates my guts for calling him on that one – in private! I'm not quite as fanatical about ending a sentence with a preposition; that one was actually promulgated by some 16th-century nimrod who wrote a treatise on English grammar... in LATIN! His name escapes me at the moment. Well, they say that memory is one of the first three things to go at my age. I forget what the other two are...

[Turbineguy]

8. Wreaking of alcohol,

he may have done some wreckless driving as well.

[trof]

49. Yeah, that hit me like a 2 by 4.

[geomon666]

2. No excuse to attack the guy.

Even if he is a racist piece of shit.

[shawn703]

3. But it sure changes the narrative

To hear Marquez tell it, it wasn't him who had the race problem.

[geomon666]

6. Yeah he's not the innocent little lamb he pretended to be. n/t

[Old Union Guy]

33. Why believe the story? n/t

[geomon666]

35. Why not? n/t

[840high]

28. Not the end results though.

[sulphurdunn]

4. Sucker punchers

should be summarily executed at the site of the assault. Just like people who rush to the head of the line and horn in when the interstate constricts to one lane or who jack up the price of prescription drugs and get all smug about it.

[gregcrawford]

11. Reminds me of a night quite a few years ago...

... when I was bouncing while my wife was tending bar. Some whack job comes in and starts shooting off his mouth about how tough he is, then sucker punched some innocent guy waiting his turn on the pool table. He was about to kick the guy in the head when I pulled him away. he swung on me, and we traded a few punches until he figured out he wasn't quite as tough as he thought, so he bolted. Turns out he called the cops on me, saying I sucker punched him. A statie shows up ready to haul me in when the original victim stands up and says wait a minute. Kid was the cop's younger brother. Tough guy gets cuffed; me and the kid have a beer. My wife says, "You just can't stay out of trouble, can you?"

Well, it was half a happy ending. She's still my wife, though, 28 years later, with a Master's in Special Ed. No more bartending for her, and no more bouncing for me. Don't know if the sucker puncher ever got his ticket punched, but it wouldn't surprise me.

[sulphurdunn]

12. Just goes to show

that there are always unintended consequences, and not all of them are always bad.

[TipTok]

13. Uh huh...

I'm going to believe the guy who got his head kicked in.

Violent teenagers aren't usually the best source for honesty or integrity.

[shawn703]

18. That was a witness statement, not the word of the alleged perpetrator.

Marquez said "excuse me, n-----" as he walked by the group in McDonald's, the witness told cops, according to Fox 5. Marquez unloaded an expletive when a suspect asked what he said, according to the witness. The witness also said that Marquez wreaked of alcohol.

[Abouttime]

20. Go to any black neighborhood

And say the "N" word to a group of black men or women and you will get your ass kicked sure as the sun will rise tomorrow.
I can't believe some on this site are defending this rascist. The fact he's a veteran means nothing, the Army would take anyone with a pulse and ship them to the sandbox to fight the bush war. The Army and Marines were full of rascist assholes during the bush years, this guy is no hero.

[TipTok]

23. They would be 100% in the wrong for that ass kicking..

Assuming it was true, none of that justifies laying hands on someone else.

Period...

[840high]

29. Seems you approve of the beating.

[christx30]

50. About 10 years ago,

I stopped at a grocery store to get some beer on my way to a party. I was wearing slacks and a nice shirt, and feeling pretty good about myself. Old, drunk homeless guy bumped me and said "fuckin' Mexican". I just kind of chuckled at him, but was that the right response? Should I have beat the crap out of him for his racism and risk an assault charge?
Was it wrong for me to laugh at him? I just figured that since I left the party at 7am, and went home, and he slept on the street that night, that was enough.

[Taitertots]

61. If that's true (I don't believe it), then there is someone wrong with their community....

Something much worse than racial insults.
You're suggesting that a whole race of people are incapable of responding to insults without violence.

I can't believe there are people on this site advocating lynch mobs for racial insults.

[LanternWaste]

43. Neither are drunken racists...

"Violent teenagers aren't usually the best source for honesty or integrity..."

Neither are drunken racists...

[B2G]

51. You have no proof he was either. nt

[shawn703]

52. The statement of Witness 1. nt

[B2G]

54. Because witnesses never lie or exaggerate

You have no idea who it is or what their involvement/investment may be.

For all we know, it was a friend of one of the assailants. Until we do, I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the guy who got the shit kicked out of him.

[shawn703]

55. Why would his word hold any more weight in your estimation

Than that of the witness? If the witness was involved he would have been a suspect. It was all on camera.

[B2G]

56. Being involved in an assault

and witnessing your friends assaulting someone are 2 entirely different things.

What was said between the parties is not on camera. And until the credibility of the witness has been established, I'm not willing to label Marquez as a 'drunk racist'.

Does that help?

[shawn703]

59. So your bullshit detector didn't go off

When Marquez said he was just minding his own business and out of nowhere someone asked him unprovoked if he thought black lives matter to instigate a fight?

[TipTok]

62. As if it's totally outside the realm of possibility..

... That teenagers could randomly assault someone.

[shawn703]

60. And Marquez is very transparent with his agenda

"“I believe this was a hate crime and I was targeted because of my skin color,” Marquez told The DCNF. "Too many of these types of attacks have been happening against white people by members of the black community and the majority of the main stream media refuses to report on it.”"

[actslikeacarrot]

63. He may have an agenda NOW...

...due to anger or something else, but I highly doubt he had an agenda to get his ass kicked on the night of the incident. Look, I get it, this is Democratic Underground and when it's misunderstood youth vs. babykilling Marine (tongue FIRMLY planted in check) the youth get the benefit of the doubt most of the time. On Freeper dumberground it's the opposite.

MY argument is there are two he said she said witnesses, and the video. NO audio. The ONLY concrete evidence we have at this point is the video of the Marine walking out of the Mickey D's and getting sucker punched then kicked while down. The alleged assailants, if the actual ones in the video, better pray to god some audio surfaces and it has the Marine saying the "N-word" on it, or they will be sunk. So until further concrete evidence is presented, my sympathies lie with the person who got the shit beat out of them.

[shawn703]

67. The witnesses do not contradict each other

They were witnesses to two different moments of the incident. One when Marqeuz walked in and one when he was seated and eating.

[Deuce]

14. "excuse me, n-----"...yep, that will just about do it.

[Yupster]

16. Do what?

What are you saying here?

[branford]

15. I don't care if the victim was a raging drunk Grand Wizard of the KKK.

You don't get to viciously assault someone unless you're actually defending yourself from serious physical injury.

As there appears to be a video of the incident, self-defense apparently is not a viable defense.

In any event, absent a plea agreement, the allegations by the the victim and witnesses will be subject to examination and cross-examination in court, not anonymously in newspaper articles. However, even if the victim made the racist remarks, it will probably only help possibly mitigate the sentence on the serious felony charges, not provide an actual defense to the accused.

[Abouttime]

17. Say the "N" word

And get a well deserved beat down, sorry but I have zero sympathy for this racist loser.

[christx30]

19. So violence is a perfectly good response

to name calling. Got it.

[Abouttime]

21. Yes.

A perfectly good response to a rascist. I bet he never uses that word again.

[TipTok]

24. Assuming it's true, it seems like they confirmed the stereotype..

[branford]

25. Serious violence is the appropriate response to racist speech?

Good to know...



https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/louis-farrakhan

http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/22/al-sharpton-defends-anti-jewish-remarks-video/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/jackson.htm


Nevertheless, not only does the law clearly not recognize such a defense to assault, I and most others find such violence both repellant and decidedly illiberal. I expect the suspects in the OP, if guilty, to expeditiously reach plea agreements.

The suspects probably ruined the rest of their lives over some (alleged) racist who presented no physical danger to them.

[christx30]

27. Or I'll bet it confirms what he thinks of blacks,

and he'll be less likely to extend any olive branches.

[Skittles]

32. let me guess

women can expect sexual assault if they dress, you know, THAT WAY

[XemaSab]

36. Alleged name calling

n/t

[floppyboo]

57. agree christx30 - no excuse.

I understand the anger, but taking words to violence is unfortunately the norm in history, unless there is a sane and just ruler to uphold laws and allow for a multitude of peoples to live side by side. It has happened in the past - I think of Israel/Lebanon (Assyria) and Turkey and the great Persian empire before greed and xenophobia by the few grabbed power. And the peaceful state of Islam before the Ummayads' greed.
Greed and Peace are mutually exclusive, and while this may seem tangential to the OP, I am hoping it might help frame the argument and lead to a reasoned understanding and forgiveness.

[branford]

22. Be very careful what you wish for.

You're justifying serious physical assault because of offensive speech. Individual blacks, just like members of every other group, are hardly immune to making racist and other offensive remarks, no less when drunk. It's would not be even remotely acceptable for them to be assaulted, just like the assault in the OP is not legally justified (assuming the victim actually made the remark).

If and when people use the same offensive speech defense to justify attacks against minorities, don't say you weren't warned of the consequences.

[Abouttime]

26. Go to any black neighborhood in the USA

I'm talking non black people. Go to a liquor store, gas station, McDonald's etc, anywhere there is a crowd of black people, and say something stupid or rascist. You WILL get the living snot beat out of you and you will deserve the beat down, look at it as an education in 'tolerance'
If you're used to living in a lily white world the 'hood can and should be a scary place, there is an unspoken code of 'respect' break the code and you as a non black will find yourself in big trouble. If you can't accept this just stay in your lily white safe communities where there isn't an underlying rage just below the surface.

[TipTok]

30. No they don't deserve it...

Keep your hands to yourself...

Kindergarten rules

[branford]

34. I grew-up in NYC.

I'm also an attorney, and my professional practice has dealt with issues of discrimination, mostly in employment and public accommodations.

I don't need your condescending lecture about scary places and racism.

You don't get to assault people, no matter how offensive their words. This is a classic liberal value and legal axiom. Doing so is not a lesson in "tolerance," it is an affirmation of the absolute worst stereotypes of the alleged inherent violence of minority youth. Far worse, the consequences of such violence are usually a felony criminal record that quite likely will keep these kids and those like them in the ghetto or in jail the rest of their lives. Is this the type of "respect" you seem to admire?

I'm curious, do you believe should African-Americans also be subject to summary violence when they utter a racist remarks about whites, Jews, Asians, Latinos, etc. in their neighborhoods?

[Yupster]

37. Wow - what can we do about this?

If there are places in the US where you get the snot beat out of you for exercising your First Amendment rights, then we need to all work together to deplore and stop such outrages.

[XemaSab]

38. And women wearing short skirts are asking to be raped

n/t

[Abouttime]

58. Whatever

this situation has zero to do with sexual assault it has to do with rascism.
If you want to discuss sexual assault and exploitation let's discuss the Clintons and Hillarys history of covering up Bills serial sexual abuse of women.

[actslikeacarrot]

41. Yes these poor dears were...

...so distraught over the rascist word being used they just HAD to take his wallet.

[TipTok]

64. Exactly...

[GummyBearz]

66. Good point about the wallet

I wonder if some here will claim "you deserve to get your wallet stolen for saying something racist". They already said you deserve to get physically assaulted, so I guess being robbed is acceptable in their minds as well.

[Agnosticsherbet]

31. "Marquez wreaked of alcohol." If they can't spell, I have my doubts as to their attention to detail.

in a story of this nature.

[Nye Bevan]

39. The perils of spell check.

Running your text threw a spell-checker and getting no errors can lull one into a false sense of security.

[actslikeacarrot]

40. So if they were just allegedly responding to...

...a racist word why did they allegedly take his wallet as well? I wonder if the witness is as impartial as they claim.

[shawn703]

42. If they only wanted to rob the guy

Why would they first cause a scene in a McDonalds with security cameras around?

I'm not defending their actions, but Marquez's version of how it all started sounded about as plausible to me as the one girl's story about the black guy who carved a B on her face because she was a McCain supporter.

[B2G]

45. There were two witnesses (see post downthread)

I wonder if witness #1 was with the assailants.

[B2G]

44. There were TWO witnesses

One said he used the n-word. The other backed up what Marquez stated happened.


"A person identified as Witness No. 1 told the detective that Marquez smelled of alcohol and appeared intoxicated. He said there was a group near the door at the restaurant and when the Marquez passed by, he said, "Excuse me, ‘N word’ and then another expletive when the suspect questioned what he said.

The detective also testified about a second witness who backed up what Marquez told police. The detective said this witness saw Marquez being asked by the group about Black Lives Matter. This witness said the victim didn't respond and later observed Marquez being struck."


http://www.fox5dc.com/news/95384415-story

[shawn703]

46. And both were likely true

Witness 1 observed what happened when Marquez entered the establishment. Witness 2 observed what happened while Marquez was eating.

[actslikeacarrot]

47. Two witnesses who cancel each other out so...

...really all we know that is concrete is from the video. Which looks pretty bad for the (alleged) assaulters.

[shawn703]

48. How do they cancel each other out?

They were witnesses to different things. Witness 1 witnessed the interaction when Marquez entered the McDonalds, while Witness 2 witnessed the interaction while he was eating.

[exboyfil]

53. My dear racist mom scares me

every time we go out in public with her free use of the n word. No matter how many times I have told her to not say it - it will spill out.

I figure being the only man around I will get the crap beat out of me someday.

[TipTok]

65. Who is the witness?

If it is one of the teens friends this reeks of bullshit.