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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 12:50 PM Mar 2016

When It Rains, It Increasingly Pours, Scientists Say -- No place is safe from risk of harder rains

Source: Bloomberg

As the climate heats up, the forecast is also calling for more rain. Think downpours. Cats and dogs. Or just “extreme rain,” as the scientists call it.

The overall rain and snowfall average is increasing only moderately. But observations since 1951 show that the wettest days every year have increased their intensity by 1 percent to 2 percent per decade, according to a study published this week in the journal Nature Climate Change. The heavy precipitation is increasing over both wet and dry land areas, a surprising conclusion drawn from the research.

A mantra among climate scientists for years has held that, as humanity continues to pump out carbon pollution, regions with lots of rainfall will receive more, and relatively arid places will get even less. That’s a global projection, however, and most of the globe's surface consists of ocean. More recently, scientists have wondered if that will hold true over land as well.

The Australian and U.S. scientists who conducted the new study conclude that it may not hold true. The skies are dumping more and more water on land, regardless of traditional, local climatic conditions.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-08/when-it-rains-it-increasingly-pours-scientists-say



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When It Rains, It Increasingly Pours, Scientists Say -- No place is safe from risk of harder rains (Original Post) HuckleB Mar 2016 OP
Get ready for more 'thousand year floods'. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #1
It's hard to use freshwater if it's moving away that fast. HuckleB Mar 2016 #6
Always buy on high ground. MADem Mar 2016 #2
Of course that high ground can become lowlands in some mountainous regions. alfredo Mar 2016 #3
Ocean Front gerryatwork Mar 2016 #4
Have there been problems with super tides? alfredo Mar 2016 #7
If it's too steep, that high ground can come tumbling with heavy rains, though. HuckleB Mar 2016 #9
Absolutely--easy hills, not steep mountains! nt MADem Mar 2016 #18
Madison West High School, my Alma Mater is surounded by Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #19
Ever hear the song "South Street?" MADem Mar 2016 #20
Good one! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #24
If you were there, it was the hippest street in town! MADem Mar 2016 #25
Thanks MADEM!! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #28
K&R, climate change will have a greater impact saidsimplesimon Mar 2016 #5
If you can't get into the fields... alfredo Mar 2016 #8
Colorado's historic flooding a few years ago was devastating. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #10
been pondering the idea of flood insurance dembotoz Mar 2016 #11
This article illustrates that the science is not settled. B2G Mar 2016 #12
Heavier rains can also mean more soil erosion and crop destruction. HuckleB Mar 2016 #13
Absolutely. But it can also mean B2G Mar 2016 #14
I look at it a bit differently, so bear with me. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #26
Is any relevant scientist unequivocally stating "and here is a list of the only consequences of..." LanternWaste Mar 2016 #16
Not any with a shred of respectabilty. B2G Mar 2016 #17
you see a truck coming at you...science is not settled as to if it will hit you...but you still move dembotoz Mar 2016 #22
Odds matter, indeed. HuckleB Mar 2016 #27
Who has ever said every aspect of climate change science is settled? NickB79 Mar 2016 #23
Except in Southern California: C Moon Mar 2016 #15
I read about these predictions many years ago NickB79 Mar 2016 #21

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
1. Get ready for more 'thousand year floods'.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 12:58 PM
Mar 2016

I'd say 'on the upside that means more freshwater' but that's not always the case.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
6. It's hard to use freshwater if it's moving away that fast.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:33 PM
Mar 2016

It's going to be an interesting time to live.

gerryatwork

(64 posts)
4. Ocean Front
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:20 PM
Mar 2016

I live about 3/4 of a mile from the South Shore of Long Island. I can look forward to one day having ocean front property, and the next underwater.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
19. Madison West High School, my Alma Mater is surounded by
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:23 PM
Mar 2016

Highland Ave., and Ash Street on either side. Ash Street is effectively Hash Street due to the constant vandalism of the street sign.

It was a fun street to hang out on.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. Ever hear the song "South Street?"
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

You could modify that song to include "Hash Street" with no trouble!!



The hippest street in town!
 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
24. Good one!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 07:18 PM
Mar 2016

I wouldn't say Hash St. was all that hip. I spent a lot of time there with other derelicts from my HS, and we were the outcasts in 1972. There were the Jocks, the Nerds, and the stoners. I was a jock and a stoner. which made it interesting. Turns out I ended up a computer nerd. Go figure!

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
5. K&R, climate change will have a greater impact
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:25 PM
Mar 2016

than all the politicians running this cycle. Too much water will drown seedlings, and lead to food and grain shortages. On the other hand, some arid areas will continue to grow in size like Africa, the Middle East, and Southern Europe. There are different models that predict different outcomes, none are good for humanity.

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
10. Colorado's historic flooding a few years ago was devastating.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:04 PM
Mar 2016

Those hit hardest, of course, were the trailer parks built in lowlands and drainage areas. People with nothing to lose, lose it all.

dembotoz

(16,802 posts)
11. been pondering the idea of flood insurance
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:07 PM
Mar 2016

old platt maps shows part of my house in a flood plain.
this was before development and the condo complex is now a bit elevated.
enuf that a whole lot of the town would be swimming before i would have to worry.
no nearby river to worry about

but i am starting to ponder

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
12. This article illustrates that the science is not settled.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:17 PM
Mar 2016

Specifically when it comes to the EFFECTS of climate change.

In a lot of areas, this could be a good thing. More precipitation does not necessarily equate to flooding, but more arable land.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
14. Absolutely. But it can also mean
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:27 PM
Mar 2016

areas the historically received very little rain can now be used for crop production. And 'can' does not mean 'will'. It's a matter of degree, along with many other factors. It could actually be beneficial in many cases. Think California.

There is no way to predict how this will play out. Hence, my ongoing issue with the 'science is settled' argument.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
26. I look at it a bit differently, so bear with me.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 07:51 PM
Mar 2016

I believe that we are entering a LONG period of unpredictable weather patterns. Every year will bring more bizarre weather, so the final realization of the impact of the industrial era, will continue to be enhanced every year.

As long as the average temperature of the planet continues towards 6F, we should experience the good in life before we end up regretting that we didn't do so.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. Is any relevant scientist unequivocally stating "and here is a list of the only consequences of..."
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:42 PM
Mar 2016

"Specifically when it comes to the EFFECTS of climate change..."

Is any scientist relevant to the ongoing research unequivocally stating "and here is a list of the only consequences of climate change," (settled) or rather (and I think this a wee bit more accurate) "here is a (or one) consequence of climate change..." (not settled)?

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
17. Not any with a shred of respectabilty.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:50 PM
Mar 2016

But generalizations have been made for decades. Many have proven false.

That, in itself, is dangerous. Every time a dire prediction doesn't materialize in a projected timeframe, credibility is diminished.

And sorry, science is never completely 'settled'. it just isn't

dembotoz

(16,802 posts)
22. you see a truck coming at you...science is not settled as to if it will hit you...but you still move
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:05 PM
Mar 2016

out of the way

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
23. Who has ever said every aspect of climate change science is settled?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:24 PM
Mar 2016

The ONLY time I've ever heard people say that the science is settled regarding climate change is when they state that the climate is changing rapidly and it's largely due to human's use of fossil fuels. THOSE are settled facts in the arena of climate science.

You are using this news article to create a strawman to attack, one no reputable scientist or climate activist has affirmed.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
15. Except in Southern California:
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:27 PM
Mar 2016

We are suffering through an epic drought. It was supposed to be somewhat relieved by a "Godzilla El Niño" that was building up since summer 2015 (warming of the ocean). People were posting maps showing a great expanse of warming water, with warnings that Southern California was going to experience rainfall it has never seen before.

The arrival was first said to be in October 2015; then it was pushed to December; then January was certainly going to be when this Gozilla El Niño would arrive—and that it was just running late; then, So. Cal is not out of the woods yet, February and March stand to be very wet; now we're heading into mid March, and the talk (aside from newscasters calling every 2-hours of rain El Niño) has changed to the Godzilla of El Niños as being over; and that a La Niña is setting up (cooler than average ocean temperatures).

I'm not blaming the messengers and it's probably a good thing we didn't get walloped like was predicted (mud slides, etc), but I'm frustrated because I was hoping El Niño would elevate some of our drought...plus, I love the rain.
I think it's finally time for me to move up north.

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
21. I read about these predictions many years ago
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:04 PM
Mar 2016

In fact, I recall arguing with other DU'ers about it in the EE forum damn near a decade ago.

Basically, we can have a month's worth of rain in a day flooding fields, then go a month or two with no rain and drought-like conditions. A horrific situation to attempt to grow crops in.

Sad to see those predictions are coming true in such robust fashion.

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