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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 03:03 PM Mar 2016

Law Enforcement Investigators Seek Out Private DNA Databases

Source: Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Investigators are broadening their DNA searches beyond government databases and demanding genetic information from companies that do ancestry research for their customers.

Two major companies that research family lineage for fees around $200 say that over the last two years, they have received law enforcement demands for individual's genetic information stored in their DNA databases.

Ancestry.com and competitor 23andme report a total of five requests from law agencies for the genetic material of six individuals in their growing databases of hundreds of thousands. Ancestry.com turned over one person's data for an investigation into the murder and rape of an 18-year-old woman in Idaho Falls, Idaho. 23andme has received four other court orders but persuaded investigators to withdraw the requests.

The companies say law enforcement demands for genetic information are rare.

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ANCESTRY_COMPANIES_PRIVACY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-03-26-11-42-30



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Law Enforcement Investigators Seek Out Private DNA Databases (Original Post) Purveyor Mar 2016 OP
I was thinking of getting my DNA checked but this kills it for me. jhart3333 Mar 2016 #1
Exactly. €™©¥ like this is why I haven't done it. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #3
My brother won't do it LittleGirl Mar 2016 #5
Remember all that "National ID" crap? davidthegnome Mar 2016 #2
and then there is the potential for error. airplaneman Mar 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Mar 2016 #4
Lets start with all LEOs first. safeinOhio Mar 2016 #7
so can they identify DNA from Muslim predominant countries? greymattermom Mar 2016 #8
Selective DNA? Martak Sarno Mar 2016 #9
I figured it was just a matter of time before they did this. nt ohnoyoudidnt Mar 2016 #10
I have wanted to do a DNA test awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #11
How do those companies verify your identity? Socal31 Mar 2016 #12

jhart3333

(332 posts)
1. I was thinking of getting my DNA checked but this kills it for me.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 04:50 PM
Mar 2016

Give me some guarantees of privacy and I might think about it. This is ridiculous.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
3. Exactly. €™©¥ like this is why I haven't done it.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:25 PM
Mar 2016

And it's not just law enforcement - I can picture employers trying to get it.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
2. Remember all that "National ID" crap?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:20 PM
Mar 2016

This seems similar to me. It looks like until we are all numbered with tattoos or bonegrafts, the various government agencies; "investigators" will continue to invade the privacy of American citizens as much as they can - with the gleeful support of most of our politicians. Consider the continued existence and promotion of the so called "Patriot Act" - they can call this ugly monster by different names, but it remains an ugly monster nonetheless.

Those who insist that they "have nothing to hide" are ignoring the potential for (and almost inevitability of) abuse. Of course these companies say law enforcement demands for genetic information are rare - and they will claim this whether it is true or not, because they do not want to frighten their customers. There is, however, no strong safeguard in place to protect your privacy.

Consider the current makeup of our government. Consider how many people are working within it who are racist, xenophobic, corrupt, those who act with deliberate malice against minorities, the poor - and everyone who isn't a campaign donor. Now imagine them with someone like Donald Trump ("Let's build a wall to keep out the Mexicans - and ban Muslims/force them to register&quot or Ted Cruz ("Let's Patrol Muslim neighborhoods&quot at the helm. How would such information be used by such individuals given their partisan strength in the house and Senate? Would there be any serious oversight? When people have the power to claim your very DNA without a conviction or even indictment... we are living in dangerous times.

The continued over-reach of government agencies and investigators, the fact that the media largely ignores it and the public is largely unaware... is more than a little disturbing.

It's one thing when you have a warrant, it's one thing when you have something beyond reasonable suspicion - but how many of our rights... how much of our privacy... will we allow to be taken away before we do something about it?

airplaneman

(1,240 posts)
6. and then there is the potential for error.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:55 PM
Mar 2016

Imagine if ancestry.com mixed up two DNA samples and someone was arrested for a crime they did not commit because of that. My wife was blacklisted by cashX for six month because
someone transposed a drivers licence number. Errors like this can haunt you for a long time in unknown ways.
-Airplane.

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

safeinOhio

(32,729 posts)
7. Lets start with all LEOs first.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

They are the riskiest people in our country. My Ex was a cop and she always said she was member of the biggest gang in the county. We might even catch some cops the cameras missed.

I'd bet they would be the first to say it violates their rights.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
8. so can they identify DNA from Muslim predominant countries?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:52 PM
Mar 2016

Would Trump want to deport anyone with, say, 25% "Muslim" DNA?

Martak Sarno

(77 posts)
9. Selective DNA?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:41 PM
Mar 2016

When every LEO, when every politician, when every CEO,upper, middle or lower level business person and their employees, when every banker and Wall Streeter, when every gun owner, when every teacher or public servant and when every service man and woman has their DNA recorded and made publically available, I'll consider offering mine.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
11. I have wanted to do a DNA test
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 02:43 AM
Mar 2016

because I want to know my ancestry. The sharing of info with the FBI has stopped me. Is there any overseas alternative?

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
12. How do those companies verify your identity?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:22 PM
Mar 2016

Send in your DNA with a fake name and pay with a VISA gift card that can bear any name you choose.

Edit: Sounds like a way you can temporarily frame someone else for a crime until their DNA is pulled directly from them and re-checked. It doesn't happen as fast as in CSI....someone would be arrested and seen as guilty for weeks if not months.

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