BREAKING NEWS: Hawaii Democrats pick Bernie Sanders
Source: Honolulu Star Advertiser
Bernie Sanders won Hawaiis presidential preference poll today, defeating Hillary Clinton...
With 88 percent of the vote counted, Sanders led Clinton 71 percent to 29 percent.
Read more: http://www.staradvertiser.com/breaking-news/polls-open-for-democratic-caucus/
C Moon
(12,209 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)highoverheadspace
(307 posts)C Moon
(12,209 posts)PATRICK
(12,228 posts)Will she be so far ahead she will give any resources to those same states that are shoe-ins for the GOP? Whatever she and they mustered for the primaries will likely be abandoned, at least cashwise, no matter how much she has raised. I don't think, in their wildest dreams of trouncing Trump that they will embrace a fifty state strategy even down ticket, which she made clear will be rewarding and enlisting friends- if they have a good chance of winning.
Zira
(1,054 posts)We have also won best read in our state too because we read so many books per capita.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,503 posts)OS
C Moon
(12,209 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Has swept 3 states in a row with 70+%. Now it's 4. Clintonites will rationalize to no end. Foolish foolish foolish.
PATRICK
(12,228 posts)as a starting point that the Hillary favoring polls the establishment will simply not let go or question(the eternal surprise of the clouded mind) tend to be 20 points off except in states that are subject to heavy pressures from the party establishment at the voting precincts?
That simple logic, which has to be confirmed by facts of course, seems to be handy guide to what the future actually holds. The battleground therefore is any state where the party leadership can put its finger on the scales or the media(ads, townhalls too?) can make Hillary competitive.
I'm sorry. I don't get the confidence of the party that Hillary is still the destined one for the fall and that it will all be rosy then too.
Despite a few lessons learned, more hardcore arm-twisting and having the party organization well in the bag I am beginning to question whether she is actually winning the voters at all anywhere, that what she has is soft, partly an institutional gift or favor, or stealth auto-pilot of name glow, scarily offset by an incredible set of hardcore unfavorable, none of which even have to her fault at this point.
After months of this browbeating and jeering and bragging(hereon DU at least) is this all she really has? I am really concerned in a non-troll like fashion for our chances in the fall if the only real positives in the HRC campaign are what the party can do for her. She seems to have lost the actual voters. Now I know we are obsessed with the gaming of the primary, some of the deliberately exploited brokenness of the gameboard. All I know is I would be much more at ease in an electoral sense with a candidate who can sway a genuine majority than the ever crumbling weakness of the frontrunner powerhouse. This not how a fair democratic process should go. I get the legitimacy of organizations and traditional support showing their muscle, but not when it is becoming more and more isolated from the general party and national electorate to "win" at any cost. Are they crazy? The split as I see it is one side is racing to the bottom and the other to the future, with the vastly critical point of the present election at stake.
Holy moly, what did she do to piss off the Alaskans and Hawaiians? Or is Sanders that superior? Or his message?...
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Stepping outside my own bias for Sanders, do the Clintonites here on DU not realize that most of the population are not activists? Most general election voters only kind of identify with a party and its usually for cultural and not political reasons. The population is generally apolitical. And I'm talking about the ones who still bother to vote. It's scary how many non-voters Trumo has awakened and rounded up. The only thing going for Hillary in that respect is that's she's a woman. I don't think it's enough. It's becoming obvious only Bernie energizes people because it's about his message not his persona. Clintonites better wake up soon.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Fascinating.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)Biaviians
(167 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)to ensure that most Americans won't hear about it!
LiberalFighter
(50,789 posts)OwlinAZ
(410 posts)Gird your loins folks. We have a battle ahead of us.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)A sweep!!
pugetres
(507 posts)but I was staying awake for the HI results. Now I'm exhausted but too happy to even consider going to bed anytime soon! Thanks for sharing the news
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Great news, curious that they didn't call it hours ago, or even, like, you know... Report on it at all whatsoever.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)And the MSM went all day until just now to report anything at all about it, and while I wouldn't be surprised if the islands all voted at the same time, I'm pretty sure they don't.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)blueintelligentsia
(507 posts)Rep. Tulsi Gabbard was actively campaigning there, Honolulu, and the largest population (2/3 population of Hawaii). I'm hoping to wake up and see the 70% go up!!!
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)Tweeted
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)three successes of the same kind within a limited period, in particular (in soccer) the scoring of three goals in a game by one player or (in cricket) the taking of three wickets by the same bowler with successive balls
Go Bernie....... and thanks to all who made this happen.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just curious because you chose soccer and cricket as your examples.
daleo
(21,317 posts)You can tell I am Canadian because I just say "hockey", not "ice hockey".
Divernan
(15,480 posts)(In before the desperate spin by MSM)
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Never mind where all the excitement and momentum is
karynnj
(59,498 posts)It is further complicated as Washington State awarded only part of its delegates yesterday. I think it is reasonable to expect the remainder to be proportional to the result, but I do not know the rules. At any rate, a portion of his gain is NOT in the current delegate trackers. Anyone know? Is this just that the other delegates are going to come from the legislative district, county, then state steps? At any rate, most of WA's 101 pledged delegates are not included.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)thanks for the heads up
7962
(11,841 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="purple"]Go, Bernie! Feelin' The Bern!
gsb54
(89 posts)Thanks for your holiday cheer.
Bernie wins big cheer!
[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Glad you like it.
Judi Lynn
(160,451 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Kudos to everyone making it happen out West!
cureautismnow
(1,676 posts)Delphinus
(11,825 posts)thank you for that! Beautiful!
cureautismnow
(1,676 posts)somewhere over the rainbow after Bernie's victory. Beautiful song, beautiful state, beautiful people.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)it is so incredibly sad to watch since he died.
cureautismnow
(1,676 posts)Delphinus
(11,825 posts)I found it heartwarming - he was so loved.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,007 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)And what a lovely morning it is!
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Great news to get up to! Feelin' the BERN!
A 21-woohoo salute!
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)Simply fabulous!!!
Go Bernie Sanders Go!!!
& recommend.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)Optimism
(142 posts)Even though Bernie wins in a 70-30 rout, and is awarded nine more delegates than Hillary... that lead is completely nullified because the nine "Super" Delegates are already in the bag for Clinton? Huh?!
PLEASE, let's all contact these undemocratic Superdelegates and let them know that if they expect our votes in the future then they need to start REPRESENTING their constituents and pledge their vote for BERNIE SANDERS! Let's definitely let them all know how we feel (and not just in HI, but also in WA, AK, ID, UT ...) !
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the supers will support the will of the people. they and the msm are using this as an intimidation tactic to depress turnout.
thankfully, it does not seem to be working!
Optimism
(142 posts)If they don't HEAR FROM US! They've now heard our votes, so if they haven't publicly announced their commitment has switched to Bernie THIS WEEK, well I feel we need to constantly remind them that they're supposedly put in office to REPRESENT their constituents! The momentum and media narrative could REALLY change this week if the Superdelegates start peeling off from the Clinton ship. Contact your Reps peeps! (Easter Peeps!!)
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)ordinarily i don't think they would even think of it, but they are so determined to install clinton that an uproar and a reminder that many would be voted out can't hurt
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Turbineguy
(37,295 posts)may not have picked Sanders. The DNC has a special system in place to protect themselves from the desires of the voters. How republican of them.
ATTENTION WA VOTERS & ELECTED DELEGATES: Many people have been asking why only 31 delegates out of 101 in the state of Washington have been distributed, of which Bernie got 23 and Hillary got 8. Here is the thing: WA state has 3-level caucus system before we are heading to the National Convention in July. What we had today was Precinct Caucuses - delegates were selected among the people proportional to the popular votes. The NEXT level would be Legislative District Caucuses and County Conventions, taking place on Apr 17th and May 1st respectively. Our Bernie delegates and alternates MUST show up at the LD caucuses to represent; if we did not show up, the delegates would be re-distributed to the opponent's side. More pledged delegates will be distributed according to the LD caucus on Apr 17th! The THIRD level would be Congressional District (CD) Caucuses, during which the remaining number of delegates will be distributed proportionally to the caucus. To summarize: 1. Only 31 delegates were distributed today because there are 2 more upper caucuses taking place in WA. Same format, higher levels. 2. Those who were elected to be Bernie's delegates: on Sunday Apr 17th, PLEASE show up at the LD Caucuses with DELEGATE CARDS you received today to continue this journey! We CANNOT afford no-shows! LARGE TURNOUT = LARGE WIN. The same applies to CD Caucuses coming in May 21st (Saturday). 3. If you were elected delegate and did NOT receive a delegate card, PLEASE contact your caucus location and precinct captain to ask for your card.
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Our results was almost exactly the same as the state's results of 77% Sanders and 23% Clinton. When we asked asked for volunteers to be the delegates to the next level, the Sanders side had twice as many people volunteer as we had delegate positions for. So half of them will go as alternates. These people were enthusiastic. The Clinton side had a hard time getting anyone to volunteer to be a delegate for them. I believe that Sanders will be well represented at the WA State convention.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)It's so obvious. She could lose general.
Darb
(2,807 posts)That's the ticket. Cause Americans love socialists.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Democratic socialism isn't socialism.
Darb
(2,807 posts)He was socialist until last summer. Keep telling yourself that because americans love a "democratic" socialist.
You guys can run the most ridiculous anti-Hillary smack but when someone tells the truth about Bernie, you alert. He's a Socialist.
Now go alert on me.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)That's what scared Clintonites do.
Darb
(2,807 posts)alert on me all day every day. Us Clinton supporters are about as scared of the bernies as we are of bunnies.
I have seen Clintonites alert way more. It's not even close. They alert on any little thing. They cry sexism for just disagreeing with Hillary. And then they patiently wait till they finally get a jury stacked in their favor. You are living on a different planet and obviously haven't been paying attention here long.
Darb
(2,807 posts)If you guys get alerted on it is because you are spewing ridiculous Hillary attacks that are nearly beneath a teabagger. The Clinton Foundation is a money laundering racket and influence pedaling apparatus for profit? You guys are out there baby, out there.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And it's because I was very familiar with her and Bill's intimate ties to Bush Sr and his kids since 1981. This has not been popularized in the media. Bill was hand selected by Bush Sr to run in 92 once it became apparent Perot wanted to be a spoiler. This alone is enough for me to never trust them. Yes she paraded photos of Obama in a turban making him out to be a radical Muslim in 2008 but that's just dirty politicking and a narcissistic desire to win above all else. What's scarier is selling your soul to the Bush Family Crime Syndicate decades ago. No. I think I'll take new blood. An honest, humble guy who is running on the behalf of helping the middle class and it's obvious he can be trusted. To me it's practically a crime not to support him especially now that electability can't be used as a sorry excuse not to anymore. The more people get to know him the more they like him. Hillarys negative ratings are too high regardless of her popular votes.
daleo
(21,317 posts)Just an observation.