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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 04:08 AM Mar 2016

CIA-armed militias are shooting at Pentagon-armed ones in Syria

Source: Chicago tribune

Syrian militias armed by different parts of the U.S. war machine have begun to fight each other on the plains between the besieged city of Aleppo and the Turkish border, highlighting how little control U.S. intelligence officers and military planners have over the groups they have financed and trained in the bitter 5-year-old civil war.

The fighting has intensified over the past two months, as CIA-armed units and Pentagon-armed ones have repeatedly shot at each other as they have maneuvered through contested territory on the northern outskirts of Aleppo, U.S. officials and rebel leaders have confirmed.

In mid-February, a CIA-armed militia called Fursan al Haq, or Knights of Righteousness, was run out of the town of Marea, about 20 miles north of Aleppo, by Pentagon-backed Syrian Democratic Forces moving in from Kurdish-controlled areas to the east.

"Any faction that attacks us, regardless from where it gets its support, we will fight it," said Maj. Fares Bayoush, a leader of Fursan al Ha









But such skirmishes have become routine.







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Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-syria-militias-us-cia-islamic-state-20160326-story.html



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CIA-armed militias are shooting at Pentagon-armed ones in Syria (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 OP
Another US foreign policy epic fail. It looks like the CIA in particular made a mistake jfern Mar 2016 #1
We have a deep state fighting for power Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #2
Its all about money. highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #19
Fail? No, sounds like things are working just like the MIC wants them to work. Scuba Mar 2016 #8
when will this madness end??? Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #11
epic fail. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #25
Remember that Mrs Clinton said we should think of the middle east as a business opportunity Doctor_J Mar 2016 #3
So she did, at the same time she refused to allow State to have cprise Mar 2016 #5
Holy crap, I never saw this. FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #23
.+1 840high Mar 2016 #33
She better not stop to wonder why there are petitions up truedelphi Mar 2016 #35
Yes, our patriotic defenders find it necessary to defend us from each other too. nt bemildred Mar 2016 #4
must be more of that 3-d chess i've heard so much about... KG Mar 2016 #6
If you read the article Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #7
To them it's all about the marketing, reality pays no part. Skwmom Mar 2016 #9
This is a very simple explanation FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #10
I was going to say that it's new that the US is arming both sides in an ongoing conflict Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #13
I think the US was arming the Saudis and supporting the Turks highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #32
so sickening -- such a massive waste of everything Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #12
Can't tell all the players apart without a score card. Takes a Ouija board to divine the strategy. Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #14
Doesn't matter who the players are just so long as they play. We know the MIC are the winners and A Simple Game Mar 2016 #21
Once again.... paleotn Mar 2016 #15
The US allies want a pipeline from Qatar to Europe running through Syria. Assad does not. So Assad Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #20
That's interesting. Thanks for the link! cprise Mar 2016 #24
America at its finest! Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #16
Gosh, I hope we've cornered the booze & illegal drug markets as well AxionExcel Mar 2016 #17
oh what a tangled web we weave.... smiley Mar 2016 #18
The sheer fucking stupidity of the warmakers, yet they truly believe they're so smart. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #22
I think we are looking at this fustercluck all wrong. Socal31 Mar 2016 #26
Great. The US government is at war with itself. "We have met 1monster Mar 2016 #27
Stupid is US! lark Mar 2016 #28
Its on purpose ........ we have always been at war Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #29
Yep, got to have war to keep the war machine going. lark Mar 2016 #30
Not to go all GDP but Hillary isn't going to make things better there riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #31
It's the stuff coup d'etats are made of. roamer65 Mar 2016 #34
^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi Mar 2016 #36
I'm starting to think the plan was to just fuck shit up killbotfactory Mar 2016 #37
Whoever said American innovation is dead is a damn liar! AngryAmish Mar 2016 #38
Destabilization then clean up felix_numinous Mar 2016 #39
We are an equal opportunity arms supplier. trof Mar 2016 #40
Bombs Away! Lockheed Expanding Missile Factories, Quadruples Bomb Production for ISIS Long Haul bemildred Mar 2016 #41
. jakeXT Mar 2016 #42
Oh, say it isn't so libodem Mar 2016 #43
 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
19. Its all about money.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:26 AM
Mar 2016

That's why the US continues to sell weapons to the Saudi headchoppers and looks the other way on the Turkish oil sales and fighter support for ISIS. The Saudi lobby has its tentacles wrapped all through Washington and they are the number one financiers of ISIS. They fight side by side in Yemen in the forgotten war. They lobby through the Edelman and the Podesta Group and Hillary and many others continue to receive money from Saudi royal family members. Seems a bit hypocritical to say they care about victims of ISIS in Paris and Brussels when they are receiving financial support from the Saudi regime themselves.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/09/01/yemen-southern-forces-houthis-abuse-prisoners-aden


Executions by Southern Militants

On August 23, southern extremist fighters brought an unidentified group of Houthi prisoners in orange jumpsuits out on a boat into the middle of the port of Aden and blew the boat up, according to reports received by Human Rights Watch. They reportedly filmed the explosion to the backdrop of the extremist group Islamic State, also known as ISIS, flags raised on the port buildings, prompting the media to report that the Islamist armed group Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) had taken control of the port.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
3. Remember that Mrs Clinton said we should think of the middle east as a business opportunity
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:08 AM
Mar 2016

And so it is

cprise

(8,445 posts)
5. So she did, at the same time she refused to allow State to have
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:24 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:33 PM - Edit history (1)

an Inspector General. At the same time she refused to use State's email server.

Queen Hillary thinks she is above the law. A veritable action figure of Randian proportions.

Impunity....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QApICxqiZcw#t=194

She scoffs, "With all the investigations, why would I want to use EMAIL?"

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
23. Holy crap, I never saw this.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:15 PM
Mar 2016

I do not recall two more disgusting people in American politics, and who are not in prison.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
35. She better not stop to wonder why there are petitions up
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:51 PM
Mar 2016

Asking the FCC to review all the electoral discrepancies that have occurred as part of her campaign for the Oval Office.

An immoral huckster who won't stop husking!

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
10. This is a very simple explanation
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:24 AM
Mar 2016

All wars are bankers wars. The Rothschild's perfected the art of financing both sides of a conflict. This is nothing new or unusual.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
13. I was going to say that it's new that the US is arming both sides in an ongoing conflict
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:48 AM
Mar 2016

But you're right, it's probably nothing new. There was that book "The Best Enemy Money Can Buy" about how the US helped arm the USSR, and of course we built up Saddam Hussein before we decided he was a monster. Back in the 1930's we helped build up Hitler.

 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
32. I think the US was arming the Saudis and supporting the Turks
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:46 PM
Mar 2016

in order to pit the terror states against Russia in a large regional war. Putin seems to have not taken the bait once again and pulled his fighter jets out before it was to all go down. Now he is waiting to see what the Turks and Saudis will do. A smart chess move. He has done the same with the Ukrainian Nazis that the US backed. No one told me that the US were going to be the bad guys in WW3.

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A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
21. Doesn't matter who the players are just so long as they play. We know the MIC are the winners and
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:00 AM
Mar 2016

before it even started we already knew who the losers were going to be... the US taxpayers.

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
15. Once again....
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:01 AM
Mar 2016

there are no moderate rebel groups in Syria!!!!!!!!!! If the existing regime falls, just like in Libya, the hard asses and crazies start fighting each other. Sometime even if the regime doesn't fall. That's just what hard asses and crazies do. And why is the US so quick to oppose Assad? Since when has the US had any qualms supporting a brutal foreign dictator in the name of stability and security? It sucks, no doubt, but it's better than arming hard asses and crazies. Once again, we've created a CF in another middle eastern country.

Ford_Prefect

(7,897 posts)
20. The US allies want a pipeline from Qatar to Europe running through Syria. Assad does not. So Assad
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:27 AM
Mar 2016

gets regime changed out of the way, the same as Qaddafi was, courtesy of the American Taxpayer.

It's called Pipelineistan. The piece below though from 2013 puts it in perspective:

Syria's Pipelineistan war http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/201285133440424621.html

AxionExcel

(755 posts)
17. Gosh, I hope we've cornered the booze & illegal drug markets as well
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:13 AM
Mar 2016

I mean, how dumb to miss out the opportunity profit on firewater & drugs as well.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
26. I think we are looking at this fustercluck all wrong.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:58 PM
Mar 2016

This is the one way for .gov and .mil to guarantee a victory.



1monster

(11,012 posts)
27. Great. The US government is at war with itself. "We have met
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 02:17 PM
Mar 2016

the enemy, and he is us."

for a democratic republic.

lark

(23,099 posts)
28. Stupid is US!
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 03:48 PM
Mar 2016

First we gave the start up munitions to OBL and Al Quaeda was formed
Then we piss off the Sunnis in Iraq and put in a government that represses them constantly, so they were fertile ground for ISIS
Then American war profiteers like Halliburton leave munitions and trucks all over the country, billions of $$ worth, with no reprisal from the government. This is picked up and used by Sunnis and now ISIS
McCain goes to Syria and funds a group there, turns out they formed ISIS and used munitions from there and from Iraq
Then FBI and CIA fund different groups that fight each other.

lark

(23,099 posts)
30. Yep, got to have war to keep the war machine going.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

So MIC and their toadies make sure it never stops.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
38. Whoever said American innovation is dead is a damn liar!
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:30 PM
Mar 2016

The US is usually content to be on both sides of a war. Here we are supplying these two groups, the Iraqi government, Kurds, Turkey and we just signed an agreement with Iran. That is six sides in this war!!!! And I probably missed some.

This is so stupid, so ignorant it could only be dreamt up by the US.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
39. Destabilization then clean up
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:03 PM
Mar 2016

any resources left, build a permanent base. Takes a sociopathic mind to make sense of it. Plus there's an endless supply of broken souls and family blood feuds to soldier on.

Just think of all the medicine, space travel, free energy, environmental cleanup and art that could be made with all that ammo. Plus food and shelter. We don't have to take the dark road.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
41. Bombs Away! Lockheed Expanding Missile Factories, Quadruples Bomb Production for ISIS Long Haul
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:48 AM
Mar 2016

Lockheed Martin is expanding various munition factories to meet rising demand from the U.S. and its partners fighting the Islamic State — and to start equipping American warplanes for great-power wars at sea.

“We are seeing a lot of international demand for our product set,” Frank St. John, Lockheed’s vice president of tactical missiles, said Tuesday. “That’s causing us to do a lot of work in international partnerships and co-production and we’re very excited about those opportunities.”

In particular, U.S. and allies are burning through their stocks of Lockheed’s Hellfire missile, the signature weapon of Predator and Reaper drones. Helicopters and fixed-wing planes also carry the versatile laser-guided weapon.

“It requires a little bit of investment on our part to expand the factories, but the demand is there and we’re keeping up with it [and] we’re staying ahead of it,” St. John said.

http://www.defenseone.com/management/2016/03/lockheed-expands-munitions-factories-isis-future/126725/?oref=DefenseOneTCO

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