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sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:46 PM Mar 2016

North Korea Tells Citizens to Prepare Themselves for Famine

Source: Time

North Korea instructed the country Monday to brace itself for possible famine and severe economic hardship — but not to despair, because “the road to revolution is long and arduous,” according to an editorial in the state-run newspaper.

The article, published in Rodong Sinmun — the print mouthpiece of the North Korean government — comes less than a month after the U.N. Security Council voted in favor of slapping the Hermit Kingdom with tougher sanctions, after the country teased its potential nuclear and military capabilities earlier this year. The editorial stated that hardships to come might evoke another “arduous march” — the term assigned to the famine that struck the country in the mid-1990s, killing as many as 3 million people, reports the Telegraph, a British newspaper.

"We may have to go on an arduous march, during which we will have to chew the roots of plants once again,” the editorial piece read.

Rodong Sinmun called for a “70-day campaign of loyalty” and reportedly demanded that the North Korean people demonstrate their allegiance to Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un. To that end, the country is requiring all residents of Pyongyang, North Korea’s capital city, to deliver about 2 lb. of rice to state warehouses each month.

Read more: http://time.com/4274666/arduous-march-north-korea-famine/

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North Korea Tells Citizens to Prepare Themselves for Famine (Original Post) sufrommich Mar 2016 OP
we? saturnsring Mar 2016 #1
People interested in the North Korean famine should read this free ebook. Its really very very good. Baobab Mar 2016 #10
In the Forward, the author points out three things happyslug Mar 2016 #31
He killed his own little brother too Baobab Mar 2016 #33
watch these videos Baobab Mar 2016 #36
They give all the food to the army first bluestateguy Mar 2016 #18
A group that got in a few years ago SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #24
I thought they were already in famine? Fucked up country. n/t SpankMe Mar 2016 #2
Yea... seems redundant GummyBearz Mar 2016 #25
They are gonna nuke somebody, someday. Probably a starving Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #3
the military gets fed, that is why they join and their families are first on the civilian list. hollysmom Mar 2016 #5
Even the military are not that well fed. Marrah_G Mar 2016 #38
Time or The Onion? nt alp227 Mar 2016 #4
It seems there has to be a better way to deal with this situation DetroitSocialist83 Mar 2016 #6
There is nothing we can do about it Marrah_G Mar 2016 #40
What a piece of crap! Propaganda and priorities. downeastdaniel Mar 2016 #7
Yes, North Korea is one giant bowl of propaganda. Marrah_G Mar 2016 #39
One option I've wondered about DetroitSocialist83 Mar 2016 #8
I think the ONLY answer is China titaniumsalute Mar 2016 #20
How would the Korean people make a "market socialist" system work? brooklynite Mar 2016 #45
That is what happened in the last awful famine leftyladyfrommo Mar 2016 #9
I notice the leaders of that glorious republic have never lacked food. n/t OnlinePoker Mar 2016 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #14
I'll take 10 of these LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #22
"...long and arduous" JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #12
"It's over the next hill!" --- Kim christx30 Mar 2016 #15
Yeah- that's what I thought - LiberalElite Mar 2016 #28
Total propaganda on the part of Time. Dr. Strange Mar 2016 #13
Here's the Crying North Koreans LiberalElite Mar 2016 #27
Your post makes Hannah Bell cry. Dr. Strange Mar 2016 #32
I wonder what would happen if someone tried to airdrop food there. KamaAina Mar 2016 #16
That's a very interesting concept. Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #29
I'm guessing that the military would hunt it down and steal it, Oneironaut Mar 2016 #42
Their chubby leader guy told them? nt Blandocyte Mar 2016 #17
Why are they revolting? n/t jtuck004 Mar 2016 #19
so how does dear leader expect them to prepare? Javaman Mar 2016 #21
"Prepare for famine" means see your local recruiter. Their military eats. WheelWalker Mar 2016 #23
I was wondering the same thing. Diet, I guess. olddad56 Mar 2016 #30
NK Supreme Leader is a very plump man, "Famine"? Sunlei Mar 2016 #26
I doubt that swine will ever go hungry himself. . . . BigDemVoter Mar 2016 #34
Oh Kim's merely following the path of the gop's austerity program. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #35
They purposefully keep people hungry Marrah_G Mar 2016 #37
Yep. nt awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #44
North Korea Turbineguy Mar 2016 #41
More the logical conclusion of a communist paradise. EX500rider Mar 2016 #43
 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
1. we?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:48 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:18 PM - Edit history (1)

"We may have to go on an arduous march, during which we will have to chew the roots of plants once

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
10. People interested in the North Korean famine should read this free ebook. Its really very very good.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:16 PM
Mar 2016
Kim Jong Il's Hidden War: Solving the mystery of Kim Il Sung’s death and the mass starvations in North Korea

http://www.reachdc.net/book2/KimJongIlHiddenWar.pdf
 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
31. In the Forward, the author points out three things
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:14 PM
Mar 2016
(1) The mass famine had been intentionally created by Kim Jong Il. The famine was an unprecedented and planned extermination of several millions of his countrymen. In many senses, this was a “war” instigated by Kim Jong Il.

(2) This “war” could not have been waged while his father, Kim Il Sung, was still alive. Kim Il Sung was therefore the greatest obstacle to Kim Jong Il’s plans. This “war” would not have been possible without removing this obstacle. And so, in another “war”, Kim Il Sung was removed.

(3) Kim Jong Il played the role of planning and orchestrating all three events of the 1990s—the nuclear crisis, Kim Il Sung’s death, and the mass famines. Kim Jong Il staged the nuclear crisis together with his father who hoped to teach his son ways in which to confront the U.S. The apprentice son soon overtook his father. Kim Jong Il applied lessons learnt in the nuclear crisis to carry out the subsequent two “wars”—one against his father and another against his political enemies


In simple terms, the famine was a deliberate policy of Kim Jong Il, to kill off opposition within North Korea.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
24. A group that got in a few years ago
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

noticed no animal life - not just domestic animals but no squirrels, birds, etc.
And the bark had been stripped off of the trees. Everything had been eaten.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
25. Yea... seems redundant
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 08:09 PM
Mar 2016

They have been starving for around 20 years. That seems like pretty good preparation for a famine

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
5. the military gets fed, that is why they join and their families are first on the civilian list.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:54 PM
Mar 2016

maybe the first step is to admit it.
i wonder if they have any dogs or cats now, I know a few decades ago they ate them all, and put the old people out to die in the cold

North Korea and some countries in Africa are the first on the list to starve, then islands in the Pacific and someAsian countries are next. it is sad and scarey.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
38. Even the military are not that well fed.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:24 PM
Mar 2016

There is a reason that north korean children are much shorter then south korean children

 

DetroitSocialist83

(169 posts)
6. It seems there has to be a better way to deal with this situation
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:58 PM
Mar 2016

We have been trying the sanctions for decades. This seems to just make the regime dig in further, and the people are the ones who continue to suffer. I am not sure what the answer is, but the current situation doesn't seem to be working. It seems to be moving in a more dangerous direction.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
40. There is nothing we can do about it
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:28 PM
Mar 2016

Lifting sanctions would do nothing to help. The only country in a position to try to deal with NK is China and they don't seem to care about the people any more then the NK leadership does. In fact if China catches someone who escaped from NK they send them back to be killed.

 

DetroitSocialist83

(169 posts)
8. One option I've wondered about
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:13 PM
Mar 2016

If the DPRK were to collapse politically ( which I don't think is likely at least in the near future), I think the Chinese would move in immediately, and they would make an alliance with what is left of the establishment and military. I think they would set up a "market socialist" Chinese style Communist party in the country in an effort to stabilize it financially and also keep a buffer between themselves and the South Koreans. I don't see any situation where South Korea would want to even consider moving into the North and dealing with that situation.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
20. I think the ONLY answer is China
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:08 PM
Mar 2016

China could flex it's economic, political, and military muscles if it really wanted to in the DPRK. They could either lead a coup or just walk in an take over if they really wanted to. Maybe even get Pajama Boy to turn the keys over in return for protection against any prosecution on the world stage.

Sanctions are killing millions in the DPRK but lifting sanctions will only benefit the military and political machine, not the average citizens in the country.

brooklynite

(94,535 posts)
45. How would the Korean people make a "market socialist" system work?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:00 PM
Mar 2016

They's been so isolated from the outside world that they have no idea how one functions.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
9. That is what happened in the last awful famine
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

that those poor people endured. All the country's money goes into the military.

Thousands died and no one cares. Those people have suffered so much for so long.

Response to OnlinePoker (Reply #11)

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
12. "...long and arduous"
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:18 PM
Mar 2016

Since N Korea has been on this "road to revolution" for over 60 years, one would think they'd at least be beyond the famine and economic ruin part.

Little Kim sure makes the argument for a change in "Supreme Rule". The county spends billions propping up a nuclear paper tiger but not one "Red Cent" on the people.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
27. Here's the Crying North Koreans
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 08:32 PM
Mar 2016

Point being, if they don't smile when they're supposed to and cry when they're supposed to, they're in BIG trouble. And, they have to cry and smile like they mean it, or else they get an all expenses paid trip to a prison camp.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22crying+North+Koreans%22&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVoqmGlOfLAhXDOxoKHRcpBqsQsAQIIw&biw=1600&bih=763



 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
16. I wonder what would happen if someone tried to airdrop food there.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:45 PM
Mar 2016

Would the regime shoot the planes down? Maybe balloons would work better.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
29. That's a very interesting concept.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

An overwhelming amount of it, 3 times what every person could use even.

Oneironaut

(5,494 posts)
42. I'm guessing that the military would hunt it down and steal it,
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:46 AM
Mar 2016

possibly killing its intended recipients in the process. They would probably make it an execution-worthy crime to not give it to the military right away.

Javaman

(62,528 posts)
21. so how does dear leader expect them to prepare?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:27 PM
Mar 2016

put a few more notches in their belts?

since the govern't controls distribution after all.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
34. I doubt that swine will ever go hungry himself. . . .
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:16 PM
Mar 2016

I read that he stuffs his pie hole from dawn to dusk with donuts and Rice Krispy treats. . .

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