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riversedge

(80,808 posts)
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:18 AM Mar 2016

Sanders touts 'political revolution,' Clinton decries gun violence

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Source: Milwaukee-Journal Sentinal



Sanders touts 'political revolution,' Clinton decries gun violence

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/sanders-touts-political-revolution-clinton-decries-gun-violence-b99696702z1-373938321.html




Bernie Sanders, an independent U.S. senator from Vermont, and Hillary Clinton, the former U.S. secretary of state, are locked in a battle for 86 elected delegates and 10 superdelegates at stake in the April 5 primary. Credit: Associated Press

Yesterday 10:23 p.m.




By Bill Glauber, Annysa Johnson and Ashley Luthern of the Journal Sentinel

Bernie Sanders brought his "political revolution" to big rallies in Appleton and West Allis Tuesday, while Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton went to an inner-city Milwaukee church to confront the pain inflicted by gun violence.

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Clinton rallied supporters in Green Bay and La Crosse. But her most emotional event occurred at Tabernacle Community Baptist Church in Milwaukee, where she led a forum about gun violence prevention. There, she called for tighter gun laws, enhanced police training and more support for young African-American men who are most at risk to become victims or perpetrators of violence.

"The epidemic of gun violence spares no one but it is concentrated in areas that are short on hope and where we still face the effects of systemic racism," Clinton said.

She joined the Rev. Don Darius Butler, U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, Geneva Reed-Veal and Annette Nance-Holt at the historically black church. ......................

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At one point during the forum, Milwaukee mother Freda Bogan cried out in grief. Her eldest son was shot and killed in Mississippi in 2000, just weeks after Bogan had returned to her home state from Wisconsin to take care of her mother who had cancer.

Clinton asked to speak with Bogan after the event ................

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Nance-Holt said, after noting that Clinton had been the only Dem candidate to reach out to her


Hillary Clinton pledges to fight gun violence 'epidemic' at Milwaukee event

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/29/hillary-clinton-gun-control-police-violence-sandra-bland-wisconsin?CMP=share_btn_tw




At gathering focused on gun control and police brutality, Democratic frontrunner is joined by ‘mothers of movement’, including Sandra Bland’s
Hillary Clinton Discusses Gun Violence At Milwaukee Church MILWAUKEE, WI - MARCH 29: Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton (C), Annette Holt (R), and Geneva Reed-Veal (L) join hands at a Community Forum on Gun Violence Prevention held at Tabernacle Baptist Church on March 29, 2016 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. (Photo by Darren Huack/Getty Images)



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Tuesday 29 March 2016 14.45 EDT
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Hillary Clinton promised to continue to fight for tougher gun control on Tuesday during a campaign event that paid tribute to the victims of gun violence and police brutality.



.........“If you want my vote, you better work for it,” Nance-Holt said, after noting that Clinton had been the only Democratic candidate to reach out to her. She implored the audience to vote for the candidate who has prioritized gun violence and cautioned them against giving too much weight to the Vermont senator’s proposal to make college free for all students.
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The “mothers of the movement”, women who have lost their children to gun violence and police brutality, have served as powerful surrogates for Clinton on the campaign trail. During the event, Reed-Veal reiterated that the mothers are not being “exploited” by Clinton and said they were freely backing her because she cared enough to reach out to them and listen to their stories.

Last Christmas, Clinton sent Reed-Veal a card, she recounted. “I know this is the first holiday without your baby,” she said the card read.

Clinton pledged that as president she would continue to wage the fight for better gun control, while acknowledging that stopping the epidemic of gun violence required fights on multiple fronts. She cited mental illness, the gun lobby and a shortage of opportunities as key obstacles.

“Let’s not grow weary doing good,” Clinton said, paraphrasing Galatians 6, “because in due time we will harvest if we stay focused.”
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Sanders touts 'political revolution,' Clinton decries gun violence (Original Post) riversedge Mar 2016 OP
I find it curious that the former SOS is so concerned about gun violence at home yet was so active Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #1
Camp Weathervane is not hobbled by logical consistency hobbit709 Mar 2016 #2
Authoritarians like the idea of disarming the population. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #3
I like not needing to wear body armor while eating at the local deli, or buying groceries. Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #7
Scaremongering nonsense. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #8
Evidently you haven't gone out to the local burger stand in Montana or NC. The number of open and Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #14
Right now Yemeni children are being destroyed, mutilated and starved via war-crimes using polly7 Mar 2016 #4
Baloney. Keep pretending. Darb Mar 2016 #9
It's interesting that you mention money laundering, the foundation and international weapons sales Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #11
She's The Worst Kind Of Hypocrite billhicks76 Mar 2016 #12
What exactly is Hills proposing TeddyR Mar 2016 #5
I don't recall her discussing it in detail. Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #10
Can you enlighten us and tell us where Sanders stands on these issues? riversedge Mar 2016 #15
Don't hold your breath Andy823 Mar 2016 #16
K&R livetohike Mar 2016 #6
She Doesn't Mind Police Gun Violence On Black Youths billhicks76 Mar 2016 #13
Bernie bros, load your bazookas! Tora tora tora! Gregorian Mar 2016 #17
Locking after a review by forum hosts Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #18

Ford_Prefect

(8,610 posts)
1. I find it curious that the former SOS is so concerned about gun violence at home yet was so active
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:51 AM
Mar 2016

and apparently successful in promoting American made arms sales overseas. While I think we need better control over gun violence here by a variety of means, I think we have a responsibility to do whatever we can to reduce it in the rest of the world as well.


The U.S. Is Still No.1 at Selling Arms to the World
Arms Sales leapt by almost $10 billion in 2014

The United States remains the world’s preeminent exporter of arms, with more than 50 percent of the global weaponry market controlled by the United States as of 2014.

Arms sales by the U.S. jumped 35 percent, or nearly $10 billion, to $36.2 billion in 2014, according to the Congressional Research Service report, which analyzed the global arms market between 2007 and 2014.

http://time.com/4161613/us-arms-sales-exports-weapons/

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
2. Camp Weathervane is not hobbled by logical consistency
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:54 AM
Mar 2016

Or logic at all in a lot of cases.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
3. Authoritarians like the idea of disarming the population.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:58 AM
Mar 2016

Ford_Prefect

(8,610 posts)
7. I like not needing to wear body armor while eating at the local deli, or buying groceries.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:12 AM
Mar 2016

I imagine that other civilian citizens in other parts of the world might wish to feel the same.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
8. Scaremongering nonsense.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:18 AM
Mar 2016

Ford_Prefect

(8,610 posts)
14. Evidently you haven't gone out to the local burger stand in Montana or NC. The number of open and
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:45 AM
Mar 2016

not so open carries in the room would embarrass a social club in "Little Italy". I prefer not to be a candidate for the next crossfire session over who will win the NCAA, or who was the last to pay the tab.

If you are carrying in my local pub it means you expect trouble to follow you. I didn't invite your kind of trouble or your kind of response to it. You do not have THAT right. Or does your ego demand that you dominate any discussion of force response with the kind of force that dominates any response?

I don't see that Hillary has done more than raise the topic. Her actions in the Senate were less than stellar on this issue. I think there is much of important detail that has not yet been and is not being discussed on this issue. Hillary seems satisfied to wave the lable of gun control around without usefully defining it. If you wanted to attack a Senator who supports completely unfettered gun ownership Cruz and Rubio are far more appropriate and relevant targets.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
4. Right now Yemeni children are being destroyed, mutilated and starved via war-crimes using
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:00 AM
Mar 2016

weaponry gotten by Saudi Arabia through donating to the Clinton Foundation.

All those weapons used in Libya and many left behind - straight to IS to commit their horror with.

It's very odd.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
9. Baloney. Keep pretending.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:19 AM
Mar 2016

Keep pretending Hillary invented arms sales. Yeah, that's it, through her foundation. They ran guns, yeah, yeah, that's it. If you gave money to the foundation, they laundered it through gun dealers and pocketed the clean cash in a bank in the Caymans, yeah, that's it.

Ford_Prefect

(8,610 posts)
11. It's interesting that you mention money laundering, the foundation and international weapons sales
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:27 AM
Mar 2016

since so many of the weapons makers, and a few facilitators both large and small, appear prominently on the donors list.

Hillary certainly did not invent arms sales. The record so far is that she has not neglected to profit from them either.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
12. She's The Worst Kind Of Hypocrite
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:34 AM
Mar 2016
 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
5. What exactly is Hills proposing
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:01 AM
Mar 2016

That is going to impact gun violence? Only thing I've seen is UBCs, which will have very little impact on gun crime (but which I support).

Ford_Prefect

(8,610 posts)
10. I don't recall her discussing it in detail.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:20 AM
Mar 2016

Where does she stand on taxing ammunition sales, Ammunition ID and tracking using taggants? Destruction of confiscated arms? reselling of weapons used in crimes?

What about international reselling of small arms and ammunition? What has she done as SOS or in the Senate to control it?

riversedge

(80,808 posts)
15. Can you enlighten us and tell us where Sanders stands on these issues?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:08 AM
Mar 2016

Andy823

(11,555 posts)
16. Don't hold your breath
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:39 AM
Mar 2016

Seems like when it comes to guns, Bernie is not very talkative. He always goes back to the same stump speech, and keeps promising people things that he knows he can never deliver if he did become president. If he did become president all those people who are looking for him to keep those promises of free college, free health care, higher wages, etc. would be wanting to know why nothing happened after his first term in office.

Revolution starts at the local levels, then on to the state levels, and no matter what Bernie may say, he is never going to be able to fill all those promises he keeps making.

livetohike

(24,282 posts)
6. K&R
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:06 AM
Mar 2016
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
13. She Doesn't Mind Police Gun Violence On Black Youths
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:36 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie made clear statements against it. Hillary hedged. She's just an opportunist and peoples guts always give them a bad feeling about opportunists.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
17. Bernie bros, load your bazookas! Tora tora tora!
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:04 AM
Mar 2016

We're coming for your first born and hedge fund accounts!

Omaha Steve

(109,226 posts)
18. Locking after a review by forum hosts
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:29 AM
Mar 2016

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