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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:10 AM Apr 2016

New Balance claims Defense Department strung it along on military sneaker contract

Source: Bangor Daily News

New Balance, which employs 900 people in Maine, has renewed its opposition to a trade deal that would allow cheaper imports from abroad.

New Balance officials say they’ve broken their silence over the Trans-Pacific Partnership because the Obama administration has failed to offer the company a chance for a contract to sell sneakers to the military.

Members of Maine’s congressional delegation share New Balance’s concerns.

A New Balance spokesman says the TPP is the worst trade deal the company has ever seen. It’s a free-trade agreement with a dozen countries, including Vietnam, a prime competitor for the shoe company.

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Read more: http://bangordailynews.com/2016/04/12/politics/new-balance-claims-defense-department-strung-it-along-on-military-sneaker-contract/

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New Balance claims Defense Department strung it along on military sneaker contract (Original Post) jpak Apr 2016 OP
If NB has broken silence, I want to see that report MadLinguist Apr 2016 #1
Full text of TPP Jim Lane Apr 2016 #18
hey thanks, Jim Lane! MadLinguist Apr 2016 #34
New Balance is the only running shoe I will buy. tabasco Apr 2016 #2
same here Demonaut Apr 2016 #5
I used to live near spartan61 Apr 2016 #7
Better than the rest who do everything overseas. tabasco Apr 2016 #10
Ditto - for the last 20 years at least. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #12
New Balance now makes most of its shoes in China. Shemp Howard Apr 2016 #19
My (US-made) NB cross-training shoes are holding up beautifully! bullwinkle428 Apr 2016 #35
The Obama administration "failed to offer the company a chance for a contract"? Zorro Apr 2016 #3
You don't? Why? Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #9
Contract bid opportunities are published in FedBizOps Zorro Apr 2016 #23
America's main industry today is to make rich people richer via war, drugs, tax shelters, and valerief Apr 2016 #4
got my first pair of new balance last fall dembotoz Apr 2016 #6
I've been wearing them several years now Plucketeer Apr 2016 #8
The last 2 pairs of Nikes I bought fell apart in less than a year Tempest Apr 2016 #11
military sneakers? I think our military should buy their sneakers out of their paychecks. Sunlei Apr 2016 #13
In all probability................ mrmpa Apr 2016 #14
I love the desert combat boots made for our military. Those are probably worn in boot camp. Sunlei Apr 2016 #15
The new balance would be for physical training and running......eom mrmpa Apr 2016 #17
You can run in those boots, they're more comfortable & safer then sneakers IMO. Sunlei Apr 2016 #24
The miitary requires activites gladium et scutum Apr 2016 #31
Every enlisted soldier is issued uniforms jmowreader Apr 2016 #33
Give it to Skechers. ananda Apr 2016 #16
Yes, Sketchers. Mine too. gordyfl Apr 2016 #20
I worked in Skechers International Dept for a couple years... Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #27
Good to know. gordyfl Apr 2016 #32
New Balance is Right gordyfl Apr 2016 #21
Let this be a lesson... try to deal with the Devil and the devil deals you out! There is no FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #22
Jeremy Warner did a good business article about the TPP & it's relevance, covered misconceptions. Sunlei Apr 2016 #25
Why does Obama want his legacy to be the TPP?! Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #26
I think it is his ticket to "the club". He's tee'd it right up for the lame duck session where FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #29
Bingo. Nt Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #30
I buy New Balance shoes exactly because they are made in the USA. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #28

MadLinguist

(790 posts)
1. If NB has broken silence, I want to see that report
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:24 AM
Apr 2016

"New Balance officials say they’ve broken their silence over the Trans-Pacific Partnership". To me that implies that they have a copy of the TPP, or at least some details of it. The Bangor Daily News article linked here does not provide one. I want that thing out in the open. What is this shyte where the government requires a company to remain mum ?

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
18. Full text of TPP
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:03 PM
Apr 2016

It wasn't available when fast track was adopted, but now it's publicly available here: https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text

Of course, it's huge. I doubt that many private citizens will plow through the whole thing. Furthermore, most of it requires a knowledge of the context to understand what the impact would be. If you want to get more into it, you probably do best to start with the work of NGOs that have expertise in particular areas -- Sierra Club on the environment, AFL-CIO on labor, EFF on copyrights, etc.

MadLinguist

(790 posts)
34. hey thanks, Jim Lane!
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:30 PM
Apr 2016

I didn't know that it was available. I suspect the Bangor News didn't either since they say that New Balance broke their silence.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
2. New Balance is the only running shoe I will buy.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:29 AM
Apr 2016

They are the best for me and I feel good to buy American.

spartan61

(2,091 posts)
7. I used to live near
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:47 AM
Apr 2016

the New Balance shoe factory and outlet store. My husband and I have bought many, many shoes there. Unfortunately, the last several times we shopped there and asked where are the "American made" shoes, there really weren't any. We were told the materials, etc. were made out of the country and then shipped to Skowhegan (the factory) for assembly only. That way they can call it American made. What a farce!

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
19. New Balance now makes most of its shoes in China.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 12:17 PM
Apr 2016

Like you tabasco, I try to buy American even if it costs more. That's one reason I bought NB shoes. But now even NB is going overseas. From Wikipedia:

In 1994, New Balance manufactured 70 percent of its shoes in the United States. In 2006, New Balance stated on its customer help site that "approximately 25% of the New Balance shoes sold in North America are Made in the USA and we will continue domestic manufacturing."

According to Fortune in 2006, "About 70 percent of its shoes are now made in China and the other 5 percent in Vietnam."

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
35. My (US-made) NB cross-training shoes are holding up beautifully!
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:38 PM
Apr 2016

Will definitely buy another pair once these are done, though that may be well into the future.

Zorro

(15,740 posts)
3. The Obama administration "failed to offer the company a chance for a contract"?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

I don't believe that assertion.

Zorro

(15,740 posts)
23. Contract bid opportunities are published in FedBizOps
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:44 PM
Apr 2016

All qualified companies are equally capable of submitting a competitive proposal for evaluation. The product requirements and evaluation criteria used to assess submitted proposals typically are part of the package provided by the government to all bidders.

This sounds like NB did not submit a proposal, didn't have a product that met requirements, or submitted a proposal that lost to a competitor. There are legal methods to protest a government decision, whether it is either a competitive or sole-source contract award. Those protests happen all the time.

Will New Balance take legal action in the matter? If not, then it's just sour grapes whining.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
4. America's main industry today is to make rich people richer via war, drugs, tax shelters, and
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

child labor.

dembotoz

(16,808 posts)
6. got my first pair of new balance last fall
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

more of a walking shoe than running
at my age and shape running ain't gonna happen.....

for my rather wide feet (they seem more square than rectangular actually) finding shoes is always a chore
NB has just what i was looking for and am quite happy with them

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
8. I've been wearing them several years now
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:47 AM
Apr 2016

They give good service and comfort. I don't even look at other brands.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
11. The last 2 pairs of Nikes I bought fell apart in less than a year
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

The soles separated from the shoes on both pairs.

Said no more and bought a pair of New Balance and they're on their 3rd year. Cheaper than Nikes and better made.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
14. In all probability................
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:51 AM
Apr 2016

these are used during boot camp, where all uniforms, etc. are supplied by the Service Branch. After boot, uniforms etc. are bought by the individual service member.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
15. I love the desert combat boots made for our military. Those are probably worn in boot camp.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:55 AM
Apr 2016

Very cool & comfortable and lot more protective of foot area then any sneakers

gladium et scutum

(808 posts)
31. The miitary requires activites
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:08 PM
Apr 2016

that are best accomplished in "tennis shoes" aka sneaker. If the military requires the activity, they are obligated to provide the equipment.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
33. Every enlisted soldier is issued uniforms
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:42 PM
Apr 2016

Among the things you get are two pair of boots and one pair of dress shoes. (Which, of course, anyone with half a brain replaces with something that's more comfortable the second they get the chance...)

They've issued a physical training, or PT, uniform (they should issue two, but that's another thing) for decades. It consists of one set of sweats that say ARMY on them, one t-shirt that says ARMY on it, a pair of shorts and a little black knit cap for running in the cold. You've always had to provide your own running shoes, and a lot of guys bring in the cheapest things they can find, don't replace them as needed, etc., and wind up injuring their knees and ankles. Issuing the troops proper PT shoes - and replacing the damn things when needed - is a very good thing.

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
27. I worked in Skechers International Dept for a couple years...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:44 PM
Apr 2016

And their while business model is waiting for other shoe companies to make popular models and then Skechers copies it...but does it for cheaper.

How? They don't make technical shoes. They make the simplest...but coolest looking shoe (really a knock off from some other company). They don't even call them technical shoes...they coined the phrase "sports fashion".

Now do the shoes fit comfortably on some? Sure. If your foot fits their mold. For everyone else? Really uncomfortable. We used to have to wear them for conventions and for most of us, it meant considerable foot pain the whole time.

They're cheap as possible with fashion thrown in. They did have a couple higher end lines...but those were dress shoes and their prices fell right in line with every other dress shoe.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
22. Let this be a lesson... try to deal with the Devil and the devil deals you out! There is no
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:09 PM
Apr 2016

deal to be had with TPP!!! Only cancel it and renegotiate to include unions, and people!

Obama should be ashamed of this horrid mess.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
25. Jeremy Warner did a good business article about the TPP & it's relevance, covered misconceptions.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016
Left and right have been oddly united in their suspicion of these proposed free trade treaties; on the right, they are depicted as a further, stultifying regulatory intrusion on national sovereignty, while on the left they are seen as an undemocratic corporate racket. If you loathe the European Union, you’ll hate TTIP, which seems to sanction a still grander invasion by foreign jurisdictions, multi-nationals and arbitrators of national sovereignty.

A perhaps more pertinent criticism, however, is just how out of date such traditionally framed, free trade agreements already are, for the nature of trade is changing in ways that have left regulators and politicians trailing in their wake. You’ll be pleased to know that free trade is alive and well, only these days it is championed by the digital economy, which TPP and TTIP barely touch on, focusing instead on old fashioned concerns around standards, public procurement, and agriculture.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/05/if-you-despise-the-european-union-youll-hate-the-iniquities-of-t/

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
26. Why does Obama want his legacy to be the TPP?!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:39 PM
Apr 2016

This seriously hurts the populations of every nation involved to the benefit of a very few corporations and the ultra-wealthy.

This is really no good.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
29. I think it is his ticket to "the club". He's tee'd it right up for the lame duck session where
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:13 PM
Apr 2016

50 votes in the Senate will put it into law. It's already pre-signed. So this is his ticket to "the club". Even if it doesn't pass, he can say he did all he could to the Oligarchs and any failure was their fault for making the political process so toxic.

Look at how well the Clintons did after they left office. From nothing to $230M in 15 years. Pretty good, I'd say. I am sure Obama is looking at that. He's got two daughters, not just one!!

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
28. I buy New Balance shoes exactly because they are made in the USA.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:48 PM
Apr 2016

They are very durable shoes, too.

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