Teen fatally shot by cop as he was scaling fence, say police source, witness

[WhiteTara]

Source: Chicago Tribune

Karen Winters knows how easily boys are drawn to a life of violence in the Homan Square neighborhood.

But she still can't understand how her 16-year-old nephew ended up shot to death after allegedly threatening a Chicago police officer with a gun during a brief foot chase Monday night.

"Once again, we're looking at environment, this community, how some of these young boys are just plagued with certain influences," Winters said Tuesday as relatives consoled the teen's mother. "But not to this extent, by no means."

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A woman who said she witnessed the shooting told the Tribune the teen was shot as he was scaling a fence.

"They shot him in the air," she said. "His pants leg got caught on the fence and he hit the ground. If he hadn't gotten shot, he would have cleared the fence."

Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-home-square-police-shooting-20160412-story.html

[nyabingi]

1. Usually someone running

away from you has no intention of trying to harm you - they are usually just trying to get the hell away from you.

If you're a Black man though, there's always that frightening possibility that you may turn around and rush the cop through a hail of bullets in order to take the cop's gun from him. Apparently we're magnetically pulled towards cop's firing guns at us and we have an insatiable desire to take a cop's gun (doesn't matter which cop either).

Reminds me of the title to one of the old-school rapper Wise Intelligent's album: "Killin' You For Fun".

[WhiteTara]

4. And it's rather amazing how a gun just appears beside the body

of the dead person. Even though there was no way it could have been in the living person's hands. Who can hang on to a gun while jumping a fence? Maybe in the movies.

[nyabingi]

10. There needs to be a federal investigation

of how these guns materialize beside dead bodies like this because it happens all the time. Truly amazing!

[Travis_0004]

27. He posed with several different guns in his social media account

Perhaps the gun at the crime scene matches one that he has posed with

[Wibly]

2. There oughta be a rule

If you're a cop, and you shoot someone who is running away from you, and they die, you should be charged with murder. Period.
If you must shoot, shoot the runner's foot.
And unless the runner just committed a murder, there should be no shooting at all.

[CanonRay]

3. You cannot reasonably expect anyone to shoot a running person in the foot.

Most likely you'd hit pavement and the bullet ricochets off somewhere and kills somebody else. There used to be a rule (at the federal level anyway) that you couldn't shoot a fleeing person unless they were an immediate threat to someone else, e.g. a guy running down the street shooting people as he goes, or running towards a car to hijack it, etc. Don't know if that is still in play or not.

[me b zola]

5. So lets just agree that guns should not be used as often as they are

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The manner in which US police forces use force is so outside of the norm for other developed nations. Can we please just stop with all of the shootings and brutalizations?!

[CanonRay]

7. Totally agree

[csziggy]

8. Here is Lawrence O'Donnell's comments on use of force in the Michael Brown case

[Travis_0004]

26. The autopsy reported bullet wounds to the chest, so he was not running away from him.

[Sunlei]

6. Police should NEVER shoot at anyone running away in fear because of a police instigated stop.

That goes for these ridiculous car chases that start because of a police instigated stop.

[EL34x4]

11. Maybe the police just need to stop policing minority neighborhoods.

Honestly, this is what it's going to come to.

[TipTok]

12. Can't imagine that going to hell in a handcart in a hot minute...

[christx30]

21. Baltimore tried that last year

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-deadliest-year-20160101-story.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/us/after-freddie-gray-death-west-baltimores-police-presence-drops-and-murders-soar.html

[romanic]

23. Are you for real?

[EL34x4]

33. Just look at this thread!

Innocent little scamp on his way to bible study class shot dead by mean racist cops who then planted a gun on him.

No thanks.

[Sunlei]

24. over policing minority(and poorer) neighborhoods. Police never hang around richer neighborhoods look

looking to snag jaywalkers, bike riders, pocket checks, ID checks, traffic stops and shoot 'runners', arrest and major harass anyone they don't 'like'.

[Travis_0004]

28. I'm guessing most nicer neighboorhoods didn't have 468 murders last year

As such, they probably don't need the same levels of policing.

I live in a very small community. The police department shuts down at midnight. If you call the county, they can call the police chief and wake him up, or the county can respond themselves, but their response time would probably be at least an hour. Different communities need different levels of policing.

[Judi Lynn]

9. My God. Who could stoop this low? Not a human being. He's a criminal, himself. n/t

[TipTok]

13. Hopefully there's a full investigation...

Eyewitness accounts tend to reflect the people providing them.

As we saw in the Michael Brown case, the forensic evidence proved the eyewitnesses wrong.

If the allegations are borne out then there should be consequences.

[Darb]

15. I detect a note of.........

something.....in your posts. Cannot put a finger on it. The Michael Brown thing alerted me to something. The other sarcastic post in reply to the no policing comment was also interesting. Any help?

[TipTok]

16. Projection maybe?

I try to be factual and objective in my posts and always encourage anyone to show me where I wrong.

The no policing thing is opinion based on my common sense.

The rest of it was pretty objective. YMMV...

[Darb]

17. Not projection for sure.

More likely perception.

What's with the code?

[TipTok]

18. You'll have to be more specific...

[Darb]

19. Not hip enough to know what

"YMMV" means. Any help?

[TipTok]

20. Your mileage may vary...

[Blandocyte]

14. Wonder if the gun found is the same one as in his picture

when ya search images associated with his name.

[Quantess]

22. I see at least 2 different handguns.

But I'm sure he was a sweetheart.

[EL34x4]

25. I found a couple pics associated with his name.

The one ABC News ran is on the left. A more recent pic on the right.

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[Quantess]

29. That's a gang tattoo on his neck.

Oh but I'm sure he was an angel.

[Angel Martin]

30. I can't understand why

police would feel threatened by such a sweet, innocent boy, even if he had a gun /sarc

[EL34x4]

31. And then the other photo:

I can hear the conversation now.

"Hello ma'am. We're from ABC channel 7 news. We'd like a photo of your son for our evening newscast. Would you happen to have a picture where he isn't pointing a gun at someone? We couldn't find one on Facebook."

"Why, yes. Here's a photo from when he was 12. He's dressed for church."

"Great. We'll use that one."

[Dont call me Shirley]

32. Pierre...