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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:30 PM Jun 2016

Brexit Poll Sees 10-Point ‘Leave’ Lead Two Weeks Before Vote

Source: Bloomberg

The campaign for Britain to leave the European Union took a 10 percentage-point lead in a poll published late Friday, less than two weeks before the country votes in a referendum.

The survey of 2,000 people by ORB for the Independent newspaper found 55 percent in favor of a so-called Brexit, up 4 points since a previous poll in April, with 45 percent for “Remain,” down 4 points. It’s the biggest “Leave” lead recorded by ORB in polls for the newspaper.

It’s the latest online poll to suggest an advance for the “Leave” campaign, while a YouGov survey published Monday put “Remain” narrowly ahead. Polling companies themselves have expressed doubt about the reliability of their surveys, having failed to forecast the result of last year’s British general election.

The pound slumped after the poll as doubt creeps into some investors minds that Prime Minister David Cameron will be able to pull off the biggest political gambles in recent British history. While pollsters have cautioned against over-interpreting their findings and another survey this week showed “Remain" in the lead, Cameron himself is showing signs of unease.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-10/brexit-poll-shows-leave-in-10-point-lead-two-weeks-before-vote



Stocks, Oil Sink While Dollar Rallies as Brexit Risk Ramps Up

Global stocks posted their steepest drop in four months, the dollar rallied, and bond yields slid to record lows, as investors braced for a series of events later this month that could renew turbulence in markets.

The British pound tumbled and stocks took another leg down after poll results showed a majority favor the nation leaving the European Union.

Both the MSCI All-Country World Index and S&P 500 Index wiped out weekly gains. Treasury 10-year note yields declined, as yields from Japan to Germany fell to all-time lows, before next week’s Federal Reserve meeting and Britain’s referendum this month. Oil dropped to around $49 a barrel, leading commodities lower.

“It’s getting ugly,” Mark Kepner, managing director and equity trader at Themis Trading LLC in Chatham, New Jersey, said by phone. “There’s another Brexit poll out and the market just tanked. We’ve got our Fed meeting next week and we’re less than two weeks away from this vote. We’ve had some good gains and nice rally so when a poll late in the afternoon comes out it’s just taking some chips off the table.”

Optimism that drove riskier assets from equities to commodities higher this week may have peaked before meetings by the Fed and the Bank of Japan, Britain’s vote and U.S. political conventions, all of which have the potential to roil markets. Investors also face simmering concerns over the health of the economy, lackluster corporate profits and the effectiveness of central-bank stimulus. While policy makers have tried to shore up economies, they’ve pushed yields lower, hurting earnings prospects for banks.

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Brexit Poll Sees 10-Point ‘Leave’ Lead Two Weeks Before Vote (Original Post) Purveyor Jun 2016 OP
Hmmm. The thick plottens. whatthehey Jun 2016 #1
Peoples across the global are getting tired of the status quo and Purveyor Jun 2016 #2
That's my impression too daleo Jun 2016 #35
a vote for the Brexit is a vote for Scottish independence. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #3
If there's Brexit... and the Scots get independence... mwooldri Jun 2016 #8
🎵A nation once again🎵🎵🎵 AngryAmish Jun 2016 #11
Sorry, but this is not a good time to do anything that might re-start The Troubles. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #23
Well....At least the pound will be cheaper. vdogg Jun 2016 #4
I am going the middle of next month. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #5
The exchange rate is rather better now (for us) than it has been for years. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #6
Shit. eom. mwooldri Jun 2016 #7
great news. hope we can get out too here in Sweden eventually AntiBank Jun 2016 #9
That should make UKIP and the far-right happy all across Europe. They all want to see the EU go and pampango Jun 2016 #10
yep, the far right throughout Europe, and all the fascists who want a weaker EU uhnope Jun 2016 #17
Sad. And from what I understand, it's the older people... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #12
Yes. We are trying to get out the vote among younger people. LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #14
Doesn't look as though any of the party leaders on the "Remain" side Ken Burch Jun 2016 #24
Neoliberalism (Laissez-faire crony capitalism) eats itself, Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #27
Hopefully, we can create something else before we actually get to the war part. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #28
Agree. Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #30
Hope not! LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #13
Maybe working people have figured out that "globalization" only helps the rich. tabasco Jun 2016 #15
Brexit is Britain's Trump uhnope Jun 2016 #16
Godspeed. Purveyor Jun 2016 #18
yeah, figures you'd like Trump too uhnope Jun 2016 #19
As I understand it, one of the major factors driving the rise of fascist and far-right parties Ken Burch Jun 2016 #26
Spain (as well as Portugal and Ireland) is an exception, where Podemos Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #29
Indeed. The rest of the European left needs to learn from that. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #31
Yep. Building politically from grassroots Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #34
The EU needs to go back to its EEC days. roamer65 Jun 2016 #20
Or, if nothing else, give decision making power to the European Parliament instead of the Executive. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Jun 2016 #21
It would reduce the UK economy IMO, but certainly not the global influence of London-based banks LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #32
There's been talk that there'd be a snap election if "Leave" passes... Ken Burch Jun 2016 #22
Cameron would have to resign (and indeed he has already indicated that he won't stand as leader for LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #33

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
1. Hmmm. The thick plottens.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jun 2016

One possible saving grace is that the louder more emotional side in the recent Scottish referendum was overcounted in polls as many were reluctant even "anonymously" to go against vocal ideological crowds, but did so in the safety of a ballot box, but IIRC that didn't have so large a lead so late in the game. I still think the quiet majority goes with remain but it's getting hairier than I expected.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
2. Peoples across the global are getting tired of the status quo and
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jun 2016

are willing to throw the dice on change.

Our own elections are displaying that trait.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
35. That's my impression too
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jun 2016

And that's why I think Trump's chances are better than most people think. People see him as an agent of change against the globalist status quo (though I think they are deluded on that point). Conversely, Hillary Clinton is seen as the ideal type supporter of the globalist status quo (though I think she might be more flexible about reform than most people think).

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
8. If there's Brexit... and the Scots get independence...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:34 AM
Jun 2016

this Englishman will seek Scottish citizenship. I'd rather be a Scot in the EU than English outside.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
23. Sorry, but this is not a good time to do anything that might re-start The Troubles.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jun 2016

Things need to change in BOTH Irelands, but there's ways and there's ways.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
4. Well....At least the pound will be cheaper.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jun 2016

Damn near had to file for bankruptcy last time I went to London.

 

Just reading posts

(688 posts)
6. The exchange rate is rather better now (for us) than it has been for years.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:46 PM
Jun 2016

A pound is worth $1.46 right now. A couple of years ago, it was as high as $1.71.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
10. That should make UKIP and the far-right happy all across Europe. They all want to see the EU go and
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 05:48 AM
Jun 2016

hope that a Brexit will set the precedent for their own countries to leave the EU.

The Labour Party and British unions will not be so happy.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
17. yep, the far right throughout Europe, and all the fascists who want a weaker EU
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:18 AM
Jun 2016

there's a few on DU who love Brexit for that reason.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
12. Sad. And from what I understand, it's the older people...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jun 2016

...who are predominantly wanting to leave the European union.

Sigh.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
24. Doesn't look as though any of the party leaders on the "Remain" side
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:06 AM
Jun 2016

are being helpful to it or to you.

Labour needs to lay out a way to weaken the austerity consensus within the EU. Some of the "Leave" faction are right-wing xenophobes, but others are leftists who are arguing that leaving is the only way to break with neoliberalism.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
27. Neoliberalism (Laissez-faire crony capitalism) eats itself,
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:18 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:06 AM - Edit history (1)

and ends up either as outright feudal-fascism, or in profound social upheaval, both tending to involve war.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
28. Hopefully, we can create something else before we actually get to the war part.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:27 AM
Jun 2016

Time to reclaim THIS quote from Thomas Paine(once stolen by Reagan, who never had any understanding of what Paine actually meant)

"We have it in our power to begin the world again".


And the paraphrase of the words of Gerard Winstanley that Leon Rosselson used to end the lyrics of "The World Turned Upside Down":

You poor take courage, you rich take care,
this world was made a common treasury for everyone to share
all things in common...all people one...
We come in peace
(the orders came to cut them down)
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
15. Maybe working people have figured out that "globalization" only helps the rich.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:39 AM
Jun 2016

Lots of Germans want to kiss the EU goodbye too.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
16. Brexit is Britain's Trump
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jun 2016

If the UK goes that way, they've lost the plot.

Of course, purveyors of hatred toward the west, and of love for anti-west fascists, really love Brexit.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
26. As I understand it, one of the major factors driving the rise of fascist and far-right parties
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:12 AM
Jun 2016

in Europe was that those parties were the ONLY ones offering an actual defense of the welfare states and, for cynical reasons, the labour movement(using the British spelling there because this is a discussion of a non-US topic).

The social democratic and socialist parties, if they want to survive, need to stop appeasing the financial sector and the EU austerity fetishists and defend unions and the social wage...those things were THEIR historic achievements, after all.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
29. Spain (as well as Portugal and Ireland) is an exception, where Podemos
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:32 AM
Jun 2016

(now Unidos Podemos - United We Can) being genuinely what pundits would call 'populist left' - a firmly locally-based, locally-cognisant, locally-active volunteer party structure, feeding fresh ideas and initiatives from below to above, but with a strong intelligent leadership, strongly anti-corruption that understands how the system works - is in position to be most-voted party in the GE on June 26th.

More info: https://www.opendemocracy.net/democraciaabierta/manuel-nunes-ramires-serrano-francesc-badia-i-dalmases/is-spain-heading-towards-po

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
31. Indeed. The rest of the European left needs to learn from that.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:41 AM
Jun 2016

And those who won't (especially the social democratic parties in non-Scandinavian Europe, ALL of which have totally and permanently surrendered to neoliberalism)need to do the decent thing and dissolve themselves, so that a center-left and left that actually fight for and defend the people who vote for them can be built in their place.

One of my favorite results of the Northern Irish Assembly voting was the election, after forty-seven years of campaigning on an unapologetically socialist platform, of Eamonn McCann, as MLA(member of the assembly) for Foyle(the area in and around Derry)on the People Before Profits Alliance slate. An eloquent champion of peace, justice and equality for all has won a seat in a body that desperately needs to hear his voice in its chambers.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
34. Yep. Building politically from grassroots
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:05 AM
Jun 2016

through local administrations upwards is the way to go.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
20. The EU needs to go back to its EEC days.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jun 2016

This time a fair trade block, nada more.

Too much undemocratic bureaucracy is what is causing this backlash.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
25. Or, if nothing else, give decision making power to the European Parliament instead of the Executive.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:08 AM
Jun 2016

The EP has been called "a parliament without a government", and that tends to make it hard to argue for that body's relevance(ironically, it was the only legislative body Nick Griffin of the BNP ever got elected to).

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
32. It would reduce the UK economy IMO, but certainly not the global influence of London-based banks
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:53 AM
Jun 2016

The multinational banking system has little to do with the EU, and would undoubtedly continue in its activities whether the UK remains or leaves.

Indeed, quite a high proportion of top bankers in London are neither British nor from other EU countries. The CEO of Barclays Bank, Jes Staley, is American, as was his notorious predecessor Bob Diamond. So is Bill Winters, CEO of the Standard Chartered Bank. Ross McEwan, the CEO of the Royal Bank of Scotland Banking Group, is a New Zealander. Mark Carney, Governor of the Bank of England, is Canadian. And so forth.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
22. There's been talk that there'd be a snap election if "Leave" passes...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:58 AM
Jun 2016

Would Cameron lead the Tories in that election, or resign?

If he did step down, does that mean Boris would be a shoo-in to take over as Tory leader?

If so, how is it likely that the snap election would go?

One thing I'd say to any Labour-supporting DU'ers...

Whatever you think of Jeremy, he's GOING to be leading Labour IN that snap election if it happens, so please, if you have any wishes for anything positive for the UK, please stop attacking him at this point. All you can do by continuing to try to force him out is to help the Tories or, God forbid, UKIP.

Continuing to attack the guy at this stage is no different than supporting the SDP in '83 or '87.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
33. Cameron would have to resign (and indeed he has already indicated that he won't stand as leader for
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:00 AM
Jun 2016

another term).

Boris would have a good chance of the leadership, but there would be other people seeking it, some of whom are even worse.

The Tories would be in chaos and fighting each other; indeed they already are. Labour are usually in chaos and fighting each other. So it may partly depend on which party is in the worst state internally, and there would be tough competition for that.

It might also depend on whether the SNP decide to close ranks with Labour against the Right, or whether Scotland just gives up on the UK altogether.

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