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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 09:25 PM Jun 2016

Pastor refuses to mourn Orlando victims: ‘The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die’

Source: Washington Post

Following the deadliest shooting in U.S. history, a Baptist preacher stood at his pulpit Sunday night in Northern California and delivered an impassioned sermon praising the brutal massacre at a gay nightclub in Florida.

Pastor Roger Jimenez from Verity Baptist Church in Sacramento told his congregation that Christians “shouldn’t be mourning the death of 50 sodomites.”

“People say, like: Well, aren’t you sad that 50 sodomites died?” Jimenez said, referencing the initial death toll in Orlando, which authorities later clarified included 49 victims plus the gunman. “Here’s the problem with that. It’s like the equivalent of asking me — what if you asked me: ​Hey, are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?’

“Um, no, I think that’s great. I think that helps society. You know, I think Orlando, Fla., is a little safer tonight.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/06/14/pastor-refuses-to-mourn-orlando-victims-the-tragedy-is-that-more-of-them-didnt-die/



While the media is not focusing on the fact that this is a hate crime, nothing like homophobic Baptist minister to remind us that so-called Christians can happily practice and preach hate.
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Pastor refuses to mourn Orlando victims: ‘The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die’ (Original Post) TomCADem Jun 2016 OP
Hate in the name of the Lord NWCorona Jun 2016 #1
no words... dhill926 Jun 2016 #2
A timeline of violence against the LGBT community TomCADem Jun 2016 #5
Pastor, please point out what Jesus said about gays n/t TexasBushwhacker Jun 2016 #3
Give him some time to make up something christx30 Jun 2016 #4
You mean this>>>>?? dixiegrrrrl Jun 2016 #18
I WISH I HAD THE POSTER! MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #22
Just make a copy of it dixiegrrrrl Jun 2016 #23
Wow, thanks... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #24
Jesus believed that the Old Testament was the divinely inspired word of God oberliner Jun 2016 #20
So Jesus believed in killing people who ate shrimp TexasBushwhacker Jun 2016 #38
Jesus declared all foods clean oberliner Jun 2016 #50
Here's what Jesus said about gays Lucretius Jun 2016 #28
Greetings - a few questions if I may... xocet Jun 2016 #44
Thank you for that link! dixiegrrrrl Jun 2016 #57
You are welcome. xocet Jun 2016 #60
Not so sure about your translation. realswifty Jun 2016 #66
How about we deport him? bluestateguy Jun 2016 #6
What a pathaetic Jeb Bartlet Jun 2016 #7
wow, I live in Sacramento. This really surprises me. olddad56 Jun 2016 #8
My radar is pinging bigworld Jun 2016 #10
Hmmmm displacedtexan Jun 2016 #14
I see what you mean. tom_kelly Jun 2016 #15
I e-mailed him too librarylu Jun 2016 #27
they meet in a flat or a house it appears (pics) AntiBank Jun 2016 #17
The current address listing is definitely an office park. LeftyMom Jun 2016 #35
I guess this asshole forgot the part in the Bible about "Thou Shall not Kill". olddad56 Jun 2016 #9
There is a lot of contradictory stuff in the OT oberliner Jun 2016 #21
Exactly. His hate is not supported by the ten commandments. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #32
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #40
There they are. I can not imagine being filled with such hatred and bile. uppityperson Jun 2016 #11
It would be so simple to take away tax-exempt katsy Jun 2016 #12
Tax all churches rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #43
Worse than most murderers he is... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #13
worse than most murderers? really? MariaThinks Jun 2016 #31
Yes, really... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #33
links for those wonderful stats? MariaThinks Jun 2016 #34
He's just a "moron"? Really? 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #36
1 minute Google search Maria... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #39
Speech is worse than murder? philosslayer Jun 2016 #55
Speech that can CAUSE multiple others to murder... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #58
I'm in the process of listening to this "pastor's" "sermon." Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #64
How about the bit about... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #67
Here again... Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #68
My concern is the unbalanced maggots... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #69
I can understand that. Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #70
I understand what you are saying... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #71
Then we agree in the essentials. Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #72
We agree more than we both realized... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #73
Yeah, I'd say we're 99% in agreement. Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #74
What a fucking asswipe gopiscrap Jun 2016 #16
There are many like him. davidthegnome Jun 2016 #19
Good post - thanks. (n/t) Nihil Jun 2016 #48
The true face of Christ-stains SwankyXomb Jun 2016 #25
Worse than ISIS? GummyBearz Jun 2016 #59
How hateful and burrowowl Jun 2016 #26
Shut the fuck up, jerk shenmue Jun 2016 #29
Absolutely disgusting. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #30
Of course he did. He's Steven Anderson's protege. LeftyMom Jun 2016 #37
Jesus save me from your followers! rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #41
Numerically, most pedophiles are heterosexual males who assault young girls. Would he be happy tblue37 Jun 2016 #42
Sick, sick. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #45
But hatred by brown people and Muslims is so much more scarey and worse. 6000eliot Jun 2016 #46
What? melman Jun 2016 #49
Piece of shit get the red out Jun 2016 #47
Disgusting BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #51
I hope he's on some kind of watch list. Things like this are how it starts IMO. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2016 #52
What a POS bigot. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #53
Chances are, NOTHING constructive or intelligent follows the word "Pastor". HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #54
Terrible person and worse pastor tabasco Jun 2016 #56
Another reason I'm an atheist. Vinca Jun 2016 #61
Interesting article in today's Sacramento Bee about this clown preacher olddad56 Jun 2016 #62
A couple things he might want to consider... Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #63
I hate it when people like this get publicity after a tragedy... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #65
I live in Scaramento, and I think that the backlash this clown is getting.. olddad56 Jun 2016 #75
Somethings tells me his services this Sunday will either be empty or with protesters kimbutgar Jun 2016 #76
Go to hell asshole romanic Jun 2016 #77
Organized hate. sarcasmo Jun 2016 #78

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
5. A timeline of violence against the LGBT community
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jun 2016

While some would like to minimize the fact that the LGTB was targeted, this attack is hardly unique, and that similar attacks on the LGBT community have been perpetrated by Christians, Jews, as well as Muslims.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/timeline-violence-lgbt-community-article-1.2671788

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. Jesus believed that the Old Testament was the divinely inspired word of God
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 11:38 PM
Jun 2016

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill."

TexasBushwhacker

(20,185 posts)
38. So Jesus believed in killing people who ate shrimp
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:00 AM
Jun 2016

and wore clothes of mixed fibers?

I'm not a Christian, but it's my understanding Jesus was a peaceful man. And I thought that he died for all believers' sins - rape, murder, theft and even homosexuality. And yes, there are plenty of Christians among the LGBT community.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
50. Jesus declared all foods clean
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:50 AM
Jun 2016

With regard to your other points, there are a lot of contradictory sentiments in both the Old and New Testaments.

It is important, though, to be aware of the fact that the Old Testament clearly indicates that God opposes homosexuality and believes that those who practice it should be put to death. The New Testament does not indicate that this law is no longer valid, and in fact, there are passages that appear to confirm the anti-homosexual sentiments (such as Corinthians 6 9, famously).

The point is, one can cherry pick these texts to create whatever version of the religion that one prefers.

However, there are some pretty serious unpleasantness to be found in these so-called holy books.

 

Lucretius

(18 posts)
28. Here's what Jesus said about gays
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:41 AM
Jun 2016

Mathew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

In the venacular Aramaic of the time Raca was an epithet for gay. It is one of the few Aramaic words not translated into Greek.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
44. Greetings - a few questions if I may...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:30 AM
Jun 2016

Could you please elaborate on the proper vowel content of that term in Aramaic?

Also, would the consonant content thereof be RK or RKh or RQ or RCh?



This site allows one to look up roots:



There it says that rakak (under RK) means to soften and rak means weak, faint, etc.

Is that the correct origin of the word - ῥακά ?

Also, welcome to DU! (Whoops! I interpreted LPC to mean that you have not been here long, but you have been here longer than I have....)

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
57. Thank you for that link!
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jun 2016

Once i show this to Mr. dixie, he will be out of my hair for weeks!
Baahaawaaaahaa.

I see you have not yet gotten a reply to your question. Hmmmm.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
60. You are welcome.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jun 2016

I find languages very intriguing and like to try to understand the origins and meanings of words. If that link is one that you think Mr. Dixie will like, here are some more that I have found to be both interesting and useful:

William Whitaker's Words at Notre Dame - Latin <--> English:
http://archives.nd.edu/words.html

The Perseus Digital Library at Tufts - Greek, Roman, Arabic, Germanic, etc.:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/

The Bosworth-Toller Anglo-Saxon Dictionary - Old English:
http://ebeowulf.uky.edu/BT/bosworth.htm

Beolingus - German <--> English, German <--> Spanish, and German <--> Portuguese:
http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/

UT Austin Linguistics Research Center:
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/



Also, here is the first link that I consulted regarding the above post by Lucretius:



It has the interlinear Greek translation needed to find what Lucretius mentioned. From there it was off to Perseus to see what they would claim that the Greek translation would be...etc.

I think that the question that I asked of Lucretius is not an easy one, so I don't fault Lucretius for not replying immediately.

P.S. May Mr. Dixie have fun with the above links, but if the original link that I provided was especially interesting, please first take a look at the Semitic Roots Appendix of the online version of the American Heritage Dictionary (https://ahdictionary.com/word/semitic.html). One can understand the meanings of a lot of commonly given Biblical names by reading it.

Have a nice day!

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
8. wow, I live in Sacramento. This really surprises me.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 09:34 PM
Jun 2016

I wonder if this disillusioned savior is a closeted gay person who just can't play the cards he was dealt. I also wonder if his congregation consists of more than his wife, his kids and his pets.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
14. Hmmmm
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jun 2016

They're located in a business park suite (trans. Strip mall) across the street from Wendy's.

Frankly, your radar is spot on, imho.

tom_kelly

(959 posts)
15. I see what you mean.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jun 2016

I dropped the good pastor a note on the site - not about the radar - letting him know I'd pray for him. That he is no longer angry at himself and may stop basking in the suffering of other homosexuals.

librarylu

(503 posts)
27. I e-mailed him too
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:34 AM
Jun 2016

I asked when he was going to resign. I told him his comments were appalling and he should never speak again.

It will be interesting to see what sort of reply I get, if any.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
35. The current address listing is definitely an office park.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jun 2016

There aren't ANY residences in that general vicinity. It's all warehouses, office parks and retail.

Looks like those pictures are from when they were first starting up their church plant.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
9. I guess this asshole forgot the part in the Bible about "Thou Shall not Kill".
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jun 2016

what a fucking moron.

My guess he will have a few protesters at his next service.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
21. There is a lot of contradictory stuff in the OT
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 11:42 PM
Jun 2016

Leviticus does pretty explicitly say the punishment for homosexual behavior is death.

Response to MariaThinks (Reply #32)

katsy

(4,246 posts)
12. It would be so simple to take away tax-exempt
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 10:32 PM
Jun 2016

status of any religion that supports the murder of others.

These people are endorsing hate crimes. Why should they be rewarded for it?

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
33. Yes, really...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:50 AM
Jun 2016

Most murderers are either wacked on drugs or insane. This guy is just an opportunistic sleazeball who favors killing fellow human being because of their inborn sexual orientation. Get what I'm saying now?

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
36. He's just a "moron"? Really?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jun 2016

That's all? Just a moron? His thinking and now widely disseminated words encourage the actions of those who would follow in the steps of the Orlando shooter and you are more concerned with the statistical nature of murders. Good focus there Maria!

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
39. 1 minute Google search Maria...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:04 AM
Jun 2016

"...
"The pattern that stands out the most is we see a lot of intimate partner violence, mental health problems and substance abuse," said the CDC's Debra Karch, who led the study.
..."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-deaths-usa-idUSTRE64C53R20100513

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
64. I'm in the process of listening to this "pastor's" "sermon."
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jun 2016

I haven't yet heard him advocate violence against LGBTQ individuals or anyone else. I've heard him approve of it, yes, but it's one thing to say "I'm glad X happened" and "You should go out and do X." If he'd said the latter, then he needs to be arrested, tried for inciting violence, and punished to the fullest extent of the law. But to the best of my knowledge, he didn't say that.

I see where you're coming from here, but I'm going to have to disagree with you. Equating speech to murder is more than a little hyperbolic. This guy is a reprehensible bigot and deserves to be known as such far and wide, but I'd not equate him with someone who murdered another human being.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
67. How about the bit about...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jun 2016

Orlando being safer and it would have been better if more were killed? I equate, and call worse, Charlie Manson and, much more so, Hitler, than those who carried out their hate in the murder of human beings. If we agree to disagree, that's OK.

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
68. Here again...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:42 PM
Jun 2016

You're equating "I approve of X" and "You should you go out and do X."

His beliefs are repugnant in the extreme, and as I said before, they make him a reprehensible person. He absolutely deserves to be derided and reviled as a bigot of the first order and an awful human being for rejoicing in the deaths and injuries of others.

I personally can't equate him with someone who has criminally deprived another human being of his or her life. Having a wretched opinion and murdering a person are two different things.

And yes, we might have to agree to disagree. We're certainly united in our opinion that he's a total waste of perfectly good carbon and oxygen, though. I really pity him, and I hope that someday he finds a way to jettison his hate.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
69. My concern is the unbalanced maggots...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jun 2016

who are teetering on the edge of action or not. This kind of speech, in my opinion, could push a psychotic over the edge in order to "protect" his family, keep his home safe or just plain "carry out the will of the Lord."

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
70. I can understand that.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jun 2016

But ultimately, the unbalanced maggots, to use your turn of phrase, who are teetering on that mental knife-edge are going to be pushed off by one thing or another. If not a hateful sermon, it'll be seeing two LGBTQ people sharing affection in public. If not that, it'll be an article demanding equal rights for LGBTQ people. If not that, it'll be because their LGBTQ coworker outperformed them in front of their boss.

The point I'm trying to make is that these unbalanced hateful people are the problem, not the "devil made me do it" excuses they use to justify their violence. If a neo-Nazi says that he read Mein Kampf and it inspired him to beat up a Jewish kid, are we going to ban the book? Given the horrors committed in the name of just about every religion out there, should we ban the books associated with those religions?

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
71. I understand what you are saying...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jun 2016

but I am referring the specific words spoken by a specific man in a specific situation. Nothing more. You know, kinda like "fighting words" do not enjoy the same 1st Amendment protection as some other speech but each case must be judged on it's own merits.

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
72. Then we agree in the essentials.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jun 2016

If this "pastor" had told his congregation, "I want you all to go get some weapons, and before next Sunday, I want you to have killed a hommasexshul!" then absolutely he'd be responsible for any deaths or injuries that followed from that statement. Even if no deaths or injuries occurred, I'd still want to see him arrested and tried for inciting violence.

But I disagree with the idea of criminalizing speech we disagree with as "hate speech." I believe in the marketplace of ideas, and the only way racism and other bigotry will ever be defeated will be for the ignorance and foolishness of it to be exposed for all to see, and the only way for that to happen is for those who hold those opinions, as loathsome as they may be, to have the freedom to articulate their inferior ideas.

To paraphrase Tyrion Lannister, by tearing a man's tongue out, you're not proving him wrong, only telling the world that you fear what he has to say.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
73. We agree more than we both realized...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jun 2016

If you look back at my original statement it was "Worse than most murderers he is..." referring to this "Pastor". I am not laboring under the misconception that he could or should be criminally prosecuted for this "Sermon."

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
74. Yeah, I'd say we're 99% in agreement.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jun 2016

I just personally don't feel he's worse than most murderers. I'm certainly not going to add him to my Christmas card list, though.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
19. There are many like him.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 11:38 PM
Jun 2016

Particularly within more conservative branches of Christianity. Most of them aren't going to come out and say what he did... at least, not in public - but if this asshole is saying it out loud, there are more who are thinking it. In particular, those who remained to listen to this utter disgrace of a human being. What I wonder is...

At what point will such people be held accountable for their words and/or actions? Perhaps some think that God will hold them accountable - and while that may be a comforting thought for those of us who believe, it does not stop these human demons from promoting their message of hate, intolerance, anger, ignorance... and violence here on earth.

On the contrary - such people write books. Such people are admired, beloved, praised and all but worshiped by their followers, members of their congregation, etc. We have example after example after example. Throughout history, even our own not so distant past. This is the kind of individual - and the kind of message, that enables, encourages, condones the murder of innocent people. Using freedom of religion as a shield, they will preach their hate from the pulpit while bigots, fools and imbeciles praise them for their "hard line", their, "courage", their, "honesty". They do this even when amidst murder and destruction, suffering and starvation, real pain, real terror, right here in their own Country.

What a man like this says one day, others will be thinking about the next. Children with minds that are still very impressionable - who are taught to respect their elders and fear Jesus, will grow up thinking these kinds of thoughts. In fact, many already have - they often grow up to become much like this man... misguided, full of hate, ignorance... and poisonous rage. It is the belief system that enables one to think that the slaughter of other people is okay, particularly when their version of religion brands those particular people as "sinners, sodomites, evil"...

The true evil, is this promotion, encouragement... praising of violence, of slaughter, of murder, in the name of God. Do they not read the ten commandments contained within their "good book"? What part of "thou shalt not" can they not comprehend? They look to the old testament, full of fire and brimstone, condemnation and anger... and that, they think, settles that. There is though, a new testament, which speaks of mercy, love, forgiveness... compassion - and even tolerance. There is a man called Jesus who, according to the story, lived in such a way as to demonstrate these things.

I lost my faith in the Christian God many years ago. In part, it is because if I believed in such a God, even now, I would have to stop believing for the simple reason that such creatures as this Pastor continue to.. "preach" in it's name, with ignorance and hatred so despicable that it blows my mind.

He does his religion, his people... and the human race, no favors. This is not someone in the business of saving souls, but of arrogantly condemning that which he does not understand. Of ignorantly persecuting the innocent, of misleading hundreds, thousands, even millions of people. Truly, if there is a judgmental God somewhere in the cosmos, it must cringe every time this creature speaks.

Recently here on DU, we have been arguing about gun control. I have seen it suggested that we take all guns away, ban them completely. I have seen others respond, suggesting that that would mean civil war. That there would be murder, blood in the streets...

We are already at war, ladies and gentlemen - and with every passing year there is more blood in the streets as a result. This is not a holy war, not a war of religion against religion, nor even Nation against Nation. It is a war of love as opposed to hatred. Of understanding as opposed to ignorance. Of acceptance as opposed to judgment. It is a war for the very soul of who we are as a people. It is a war of faith - in various higher powers.... Do we believe in the ignorant, arrogant, cruel and hateful God advertised by men like this? Do we believe in the Jesus of the bible who shared a very different message? Or, might it be worthy, regardless of or in addition to our other beliefs... to believe in each other? To believe that other human beings are worthy of life, love, respect... compassion? Mercy?

Lately I begin to suspect that there is indeed such a place as hell. It exists within the minds and hearts of those like Roger Jimenez. It is brought forth when the innocent are slain. It is permitted to exist, even to thrive, every time good people do nothing. It is ugly, it is horrendous. For all of that though... it is utterly and completely false. Whether you believe in humanity, or in God, in simple decency, or in logic and rationality, the falseness represented by people such as this Pastor must be obvious.

This war cannot be won by attrition, by engaging our enemies with their own weapons of violence, fear - and hatred. Rather, we win every time we join hands. We win every time we weep together in joint sorrow and empathy for each other. We win every time we find the courage to stand up and denounce cruelty, bigotry, hatred - and evil. We win by loving each other, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation or what have you. We win when we demonstrate the beauty and nobility of the human spirit - this can be seen every day, on every street in our great Nation. In every household where parents tuck in their children with an "I love you" and a kiss.

In the end, that which is promoted, pushed... and sold by people like the Pastor, will be a failed message. It will, in time, become a miserably failed ideology. Humanity, as other forms of live... evolves. Not just in the physical sense, but in the emotional, intellectual... and perhaps even spiritual as well. Our combined strength exists within unity and compassion.

This man and those like him will say what they will. They will open their mouths - and their rear ends will fall out. It is in their nature. We each have the ability to determine our own nature. Let it be one of kindness, love - and acceptance. That is how we win. We give those who do such damage as this Pastor the greatest punishment we can... by permitting them to live within their own ignorance, small-mindedness and hatred. It must be terribly lonely to feel so very small as this man must. To so impotently rage and shout to other such small minded individuals.

Let them live in their own hell. Those of us who are otherwise, those of us who cling to the nobility and beauty that humanity has to offer, we will live much fuller lives, with happiness, grace, wisdom, beauty... and even power... that such twisted little men can never comprehend. Let them own their damnation, they bring it upon themselves. I do not pity them, not for an instant. I reject all that they say and believe - I reject them utterly as members of the same species. May they pass from the world like breaking wind. May their rapture come and claim them all - and for once I would indeed, gnostic as I am, have a reason to praise God.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
30. Absolutely disgusting.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:45 AM
Jun 2016

Since Christians aren't responding to his call, it's a good thing we don't believe want he is saying

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
41. Jesus save me from your followers!
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:27 AM
Jun 2016

Sometimes this atheist hopes there is a hell. If so this assswipe is going.

tblue37

(65,340 posts)
42. Numerically, most pedophiles are heterosexual males who assault young girls. Would he be happy
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:29 AM
Jun 2016

to hear that 49 heterosexual men were killed? After all, in a random group of 49 heterosexual men, there would probably be more of a chance of finding one or a few pedophiles than in a group of clients in a gay night club, since a pedophile won't find prepubescent victims in a freakingvfreaking nightclub! Pedophiles seek their victims in places frequented by young children, not in nightclubs.

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
46. But hatred by brown people and Muslims is so much more scarey and worse.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:01 AM
Jun 2016

I just wish the rest of the conservatives would be true to their hatred the way this guy is. It's SO galling to hear those shit stains trying to make political points over deaths they would rather be celebrating. Conservative Christians and Republicans clearly have no shame.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
54. Chances are, NOTHING constructive or intelligent follows the word "Pastor".
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:56 AM
Jun 2016

If it's news, that leadoff word seems to be it's own comments section nowadays.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
61. Another reason I'm an atheist.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jun 2016

If God wasn't a fantasy, he (or she) would send down a well placed bolt of lightening and take care of this Baptist "pastor."

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
62. Interesting article in today's Sacramento Bee about this clown preacher
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jun 2016

This clown is being ostracized by the local religious community and the LGBT community is planning to protest his 'church'. It turns out, as one might expect, that this guy runs a tiny store front church in a strip mall. Even our scoundrel of a mayor is speaking out against this clown.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article83693667.html

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
63. A couple things he might want to consider...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jun 2016

I suspect he may have missed these bits when he was rushing to rejoice over the deaths of far better people than he could ever hope to be...

James 1:26 - If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.

Ephesians 4:29 - Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

Matthew 5:22 - But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Of course, I also suspect that if challenged directly with these verses as evidence of his loathsome hypocrisy, he'd say it doesn't count, because Leviticus-something-something.

Individuals like this make me ashamed to be Christian.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
65. I hate it when people like this get publicity after a tragedy...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jun 2016

Clearly they're taking advantage of this to make a name for themselves, so they should just be ignored...

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
75. I live in Scaramento, and I think that the backlash this clown is getting..
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:54 PM
Jun 2016

is not the kind of publicity anyone wants. And he deserves ever bit of it.

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