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brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:26 AM Jun 2016

Ed Miliband, the former Labour leader, has called for Jeremy Corbyn to resign

Source: The Guardian

Ed Miliband, the former Labour leader, has called for Jeremy Corbyn to resign, saying he has lost the confidence of the party’s MPs in parliament and his position has become untenable. Miliband has previously supported Corbyn, but he spoke out as other senior party figures also went public to try to persuade him to resign in the interests of party unity. But Corbyn is refusing point-blank to buckle, and his close ally John McDonnell has said a leadership contest will take place. Tom Watson and Angela Eagle are reportedly at loggerheads over which of them should take on Corbyn. But with Corbyn’s standing among members still high, there is every chance he could win again. “A split looks more and more likely,” the New Statesman’s Stephen Bush writes on a blog. “Labour has exhausted the essential component for a social democratic and a socialist party forced to cohabit thanks to first past the post: goodwill.”

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/29/brexit-live-sad-cameron-eu-immigration-corbyn-leadership

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Ed Miliband, the former Labour leader, has called for Jeremy Corbyn to resign (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2016 OP
ALSO: Gordon Brown says Corbyn will stand down brooklynite Jun 2016 #1
Point me to anything Brown's been right about Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #2
He should step down. He has lost the confidence of his members and you can't lead when that happens. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #3
He never had the confidence of the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) - Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #4
Labour members were elected with the support of Labour voters. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #5
And may be deselected by Labour Party members, unless they change the rules. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #6
I can still give my opinion. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #7
Well, yeah, you can. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #8
The turd way Blairiists are getting ansy LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #9
This is the first time in my life I've said this: sofa king Jun 2016 #10

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
1. ALSO: Gordon Brown says Corbyn will stand down
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:32 AM
Jun 2016
Gordon Brown, the former prime minister, has also now made it clear that he thinks Jeremy Corbyn should resign. He told Sky News: “I don’t think Corbyn’s going to stay, he’s going to go. He knows the parliamentary party have no faith in him.”

Earlier, at the Institute for Public Policy Research Scotland event in Edinburgh, where he expanded on his Guardian essay on the Brexit vote and globalisation, Brown was a bit more guarded when asked about Corbyn. But he implied that Corbyn was unsuitable because he was not interested in power.

The real issue comes down to whether we decide we’re a party of power and not a party of protest and that means a party of power with principles, with leadership implementing in practice the biggest issue we have to face up to, the issues of how we manage and maintain globalisation in future.


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/29/brexit-live-sad-cameron-eu-immigration-corbyn-leadership?page=with:block-5773bcafe4b0759da0f94a56#block-5773bcafe4b0759da0f94a56

Denzil_DC

(7,233 posts)
2. Point me to anything Brown's been right about
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jun 2016

... I was going to set a time limit on that, but I'm not sure there's a need!

He guaranteed Scotland the Earth to try to get us to stay in the UK during the independence referendum. He wasn't deployed by that campaign, insiders said "he escaped." His stock has never recovered from that, and it certainly wasn't great before.

If there's one thing Brown and Miliband know about, it's how to lose elections.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
3. He should step down. He has lost the confidence of his members and you can't lead when that happens.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jun 2016

I feel bad for him but British politics is a blood sport.

Denzil_DC

(7,233 posts)
4. He never had the confidence of the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) -
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jun 2016

the MPs elected under Miliband when Labour lost the last election.

"His members" are the Labour Party grassroots membership who voted him in in a massive landslide despite the bitter opposition of the PLP. None of those criticizing him within the party could dream of mobilizing such support.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
5. Labour members were elected with the support of Labour voters.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:29 PM
Jun 2016

I don't think he was suited for the position.

Denzil_DC

(7,233 posts)
6. And may be deselected by Labour Party members, unless they change the rules.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

Are you a Labour Party member? Then it's not your decision, whether you think he was suited or not.

They are answerable to their constituency parties - you know, the ones who selected them to stand as MPs in the first place, pay their dues, and who they expect to go out on the doorsteps for them. If they don't like it, they can leave the party, or try to change those rules at the next conference.

Those are Labour's rules. The "rebels" are breaking them. They can get behind a candidate with 50 signatures if they want him gone, then see what the party membership says. Staging a coup and bullying him, with full media support, to go isn't within the rules.

Denzil_DC

(7,233 posts)
8. Well, yeah, you can.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jun 2016

And we know what they say about opinions - I've got one too!

But neither of us gets to decide. Unless we join up. That's the way it is.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
9. The turd way Blairiists are getting ansy
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jun 2016

They were probably as shocked as the D turd way was here when Bernie almost... almost threatened to win and tear down their house of cards, when he first won Labour party leadership.

They were waiting for the first opportunity, a kind of "disaster politic" situation like the Brexit vote, to make their move.

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