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7962

(11,841 posts)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:38 PM Jul 2016

Migrants to be trained as German pool lifeguards to reduce escalating sex attacks by refugees at pub

Source: UKDailyMail

A professional swimming association in Germany wants to reduce escalating sex attacks by refugees at public baths by training migrants to become pool lifeguards.
The Federal Association of German Swimming Professionals (BDS) says this would be 'an inclusive measure that would benefit everyone.'
Last month a secret police document was leaked in Duesseldorf voicing the 'grave concern' of police chiefs about escalating sex crimes carried out by refugees at public swimming baths.


BDS President Peter Haiyang added: 'We lack skilled workers. That's why it would be negligent not to use these resources.'
Many sexually repressed young Muslim men take the sight of women in skimpy bathing costumes as an unspoken statement that they want sex.
There have been several reports of rape and other sex attacks committed against women and children at public pools both in Germany and neighbouring Austria this year.

Many municipalities, including Munich, have begun displaying charts in numerous languages aiming to teach migrant to respect women and children at the local pool.
Now comes the quirky idea of turning them into lifeguards responsible for security, order and cleanliness, water quality monitoring and maintenance of technical equipment.
This, believes the group, would lead to a decrease in sex crimes.

Incredibly, BDS president Peter Harzheim claimed: 'Often it is the case that women feel sexually harassed by a group of migrants just because they look at them.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3701385/Migrants-trained-German-pool-lifeguards-leaked-Dusseldorf-memo-reduce-sex-attacks.html



So they want to put the fox in charge of the hen house?
And how many of the reported incidents were of women complaining that they were just being "looked at"? I would bet zero.
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Migrants to be trained as German pool lifeguards to reduce escalating sex attacks by refugees at pub (Original Post) 7962 Jul 2016 OP
Yeah.... romanic Jul 2016 #1
Seems legit. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #2
This will not end well, but I do wish the Daily Mail was not a legitimate source on DU. auntpurl Jul 2016 #3
Another link, but same story. 7962 Jul 2016 #5
I wasn't getting at you specifically. auntpurl Jul 2016 #7
And you wonder why Germans are upset NWCorona Jul 2016 #4
In other words, males? LanternWaste Jul 2016 #6
I would think so. Would Muslim men even listen to a female lifeguard? 7962 Jul 2016 #9
I dunno... would men at bars even listen to women if they're dressed one way or another? LanternWaste Jul 2016 #16
"I understand you want to limit your indicments to Muslims only..." uawchild Jul 2016 #21
Sexual assaults are through the roof over the past 2 yrs in Germany 7962 Jul 2016 #26
This has to be the stupidest idea I have ever heard of. smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #8
Good point. I dont know. 7962 Jul 2016 #10
yeah, take fundies shielded from hot women their whole life, and make them fucking lifeguards snooper2 Jul 2016 #13
Not only that, but most of these migrants can't swim to save their lives. smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #22
"...most of these migrants can't swim to save their lives" TubbersUK Jul 2016 #31
Hijab-wearing female lifeguards for female swimmers is a good idea mwrguy Jul 2016 #11
So now we should segregate the swimmers? 7962 Jul 2016 #12
probably not but you were a little late getting to this thread on time snooper2 Jul 2016 #14
How about just deporting/imprisoning criminals? Taitertots Jul 2016 #15
Exactly. The GOP rants about the 'illegal immigrants' who have killed people, while ignoring pampango Jul 2016 #17
A sane reasonable comment on a internet comment section. iandhr Jul 2016 #20
The reason these posts are made treestar Jul 2016 #23
Germany is doing their best to hide the issue. THATS the problem. 7962 Jul 2016 #27
Accusing liberals of being too 'politically correct' has a familiar ring to it. pampango Jul 2016 #34
Being accepting is one thing, hiding crime is another 7962 Jul 2016 #35
2000 men assaulted 1200 women christx30 Jul 2016 #19
If the criminals are in jail... Shandris Jul 2016 #24
If they can't live there without raping... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #18
Were the children who were attacked also "asking for it" by looking like children, too? JudyM Jul 2016 #25
Not sure where youre coming from. 7962 Jul 2016 #28
No, nothing about you, just revulsion at those guys molesting kids. JudyM Jul 2016 #29
Then we are DEFINITELY on the same page!!! nt 7962 Jul 2016 #32
Somehow this seems so goofy. truthisfreedom Jul 2016 #30
It's the Daily Mail, so this is probably being spun to high heaven. Odin2005 Jul 2016 #33

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
3. This will not end well, but I do wish the Daily Mail was not a legitimate source on DU.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jul 2016

It is a right wing rag.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
7. I wasn't getting at you specifically.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:55 PM
Jul 2016

People use the DM as a source on here all the time. It's just, living in the UK, I know how crap they are.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
6. In other words, males?
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jul 2016

"So they want to put the fox in charge of the hen house?"

In other words, males (who commit close to 98% of all sexual assaults worldwide, regardless of religion, income, education and nation)?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
9. I would think so. Would Muslim men even listen to a female lifeguard?
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jul 2016

And would Muslim women feel safe trying to BE a lifeguard?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. I dunno... would men at bars even listen to women if they're dressed one way or another?
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jul 2016

I dunno... would men at bars, movies, in public, at home, in private, at the office, on the street, in a mall even listen to women if they're dressed one way or another, regardless of religion or country?

(I understand you want to limit your indicments to Muslims only, but rape and sexual assault pre-date the Muslim faith by thousands of years, are a concern to women world-wide, and will happen regardless of whether the perpetrator is a Muslim, a Christian, a Wiccan or an atheist)

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
21. "I understand you want to limit your indicments to Muslims only..."
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jul 2016

Hmmmm.

"I understand you want to limit your indicments to Muslims only..."

That's a very creative allegation lacking relevant context and nuance you've constructed. Allegations are much easier to cower behind than the truth of a matter, so I understand why you do as much.

yeah, those are YOUR OWN WORDS, funny how well they apply to you here, isn't it? lol

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
26. Sexual assaults are through the roof over the past 2 yrs in Germany
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jul 2016

And much of it lays at the feet of the recent uncontrolled influx of people from areas where women have no rights. Where women are treated like crap. Where rape victims are themselves victimized. Yes, these are Muslim countries.

Yes, men listen to women every day here. My boss for the last 5 years is a woman. Seems like a lot of men are listening to a woman considering a woman is likely to be our next president

THATS the topic discussed here. "But others do it" is a shitty defense

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
8. This has to be the stupidest idea I have ever heard of.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:03 PM
Jul 2016

Let me guess, the BDS is comprised of all men.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
13. yeah, take fundies shielded from hot women their whole life, and make them fucking lifeguards
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jul 2016

Just a GREAT fucking idea

OMG look at all that skin! Maybe it is some kind of weird de-programming they are trying to do?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
22. Not only that, but most of these migrants can't swim to save their lives.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jul 2016

What are the chances that they are going to become good enough swimmers to be able to rescue a panicked, drowning victim? It's dangerous to replace qualified lifeguards with amateurs for the silly purpose of social engineering.

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
31. "...most of these migrants can't swim to save their lives"
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:46 AM
Jul 2016

How could you possibly know that?

What are you referring to?

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
11. Hijab-wearing female lifeguards for female swimmers is a good idea
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jul 2016

Perhaps that is what they meant.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
12. So now we should segregate the swimmers?
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jul 2016

And what if a man is drowning, would the hijab wearing woman be allowed to rescue him? Vice versa? Would she be punished by the men for doing so?
What a can of worms

pampango

(24,692 posts)
17. Exactly. The GOP rants about the 'illegal immigrants' who have killed people, while ignoring
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jul 2016

the 99.9% who are good people. And republicans seem to think that 100% of refugees are terrorists. I. am glad that liberals see refugees differently.

Prosecute and jail/deport the killers or sex offenders. Leave the innocent refugees and immigrants alone.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. The reason these posts are made
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jul 2016

is to taint all Muslims with these acts as if Germany never had an sexual assault before the refugees came and it is inherent in their religion, etc.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
27. Germany is doing their best to hide the issue. THATS the problem.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jul 2016

They're NOT prosecuting the criminals because they're scared of being called racists. And the more they try to sweep it under the rug, the stronger the far right gets. Its a road we dont want to go down, but thats going to be the result if the EU continues to ignore reality

pampango

(24,692 posts)
34. Accusing liberals of being too 'politically correct' has a familiar ring to it.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:57 AM
Jul 2016

We all know that the right will play up anything bad that refugees and 'illegal immigrants' do. The right is hostile to both groups both from an 'us vs them' worldview and from a fear-mongering is good politics point of view. There is no way we can stop that.

Germany, Sweden and other progressive countries are stumbling their way through accepting refugees while conservative countries build walls to keep them out.

The right may win this though I hope not.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
35. Being accepting is one thing, hiding crime is another
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:22 AM
Jul 2016

They are going out of their way to keep ANY bad acts out of the people's view. These days, we all know how long a "secret" will be kept. The stories WILL get out and then it looks even worse. The better approach would be to come down hard on these criminals. It sends 2 messages; that the state will follow the law and protect you, and if you dont WANT to follow our laws then maybe this isnt the place FOR you
After that ax attack last week, one German politician even had the nerve to criticize the police for killing the attacker!! That attitude will just get more people fired up to "keep them out".

christx30

(6,241 posts)
19. 2000 men assaulted 1200 women
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:46 PM - Edit history (2)

in 2 German cities on New Years eve. Two men claiming Iranian origin have been prosecuted, and given suspended sentences. That approach has been pathetic, to say the least.
A new approach needs to be taken.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/10/leaked-document-says-2000-men-allegedly-assaulted-1200-german-women-on-new-years-eve/

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
24. If the criminals are in jail...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:35 PM
Jul 2016

...and no one is to be deported until a crime is committed...


...how, then, can you claim a war on women when your presumption is that every single one of these men is innocent? They're not being deported, because they aren't criminals. As they aren't criminals, they will need a job. This is a job. There seems to be a major disconnect somewhere.

Are you suggesting that the migrants themselves are an existential threat to the safety of the aggregate 'women'? While some would agree, it's not a common viewpoint here.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
18. If they can't live there without raping...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jul 2016

ship their asses back. Maybe these assholes will get the message.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
28. Not sure where youre coming from.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jul 2016

If you think I'm suggesting ANY leeway for these sexual assaulters, you've totally misunderstood my words.
Where did I say anyone was "asking for it", since you put it in quotes?

truthisfreedom

(23,147 posts)
30. Somehow this seems so goofy.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 03:33 AM
Jul 2016

It doesn't feel like a good idea at all. Is the idea that these muslim lifeguard men will become numb to their urges by being over-exposed to scantily-dressed women?

Seems like electroshock therapy might be a more direct and useful approach. If they simply forget about their wack-a-doodle views of women, they might be a little more in control of their urges.

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