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NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 04:50 PM Jul 2016

North Miami police commander suspended

Source: AP via Toledo Blade

NORTH MIAMI, Fla. — A North Miami police commander has been suspended for allegedly fabricating information about the shooting of an unarmed black therapist.

City Manager Larry Spring, Jr., said Friday that commander Emile Hollant is suspended without pay. Spring declined to give specifics about how Hollant allegedly fabricated information about Monday’s shooting of Charles Kinsey by Officer Jonathan Aledda.

Aledda has been placed on paid administrative leave while the shooting is investigated. His race has not been released.

Kinsey was trying coax an autistic man back to a group home when he was shot in the middle of an intersection. He says he was on the ground with his hands in the air when he was shot. Cellphone video shows him with his hands raised moments before the shooting.

Read more: http://www.toledoblade.com/Nation/2016/07/22/North-Miami-police-commander-suspended-He-allegedly-fabricated-information-about-therapist-s-shooting.html



Without pay even. They may actually be serious about investigating this one.
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North Miami police commander suspended (Original Post) NobodyHere Jul 2016 OP
Without BLM does anyone really think exboyfil Jul 2016 #1
The commander was suspended without pay because he lied about it notadmblnd Jul 2016 #5
Yes. There's a direct line zentrum Jul 2016 #9
I tend to agree with you I wil be convinced when Police commanders and patromen Monk06 Jul 2016 #21
I agree, good observation. Skeeter Barnes Jul 2016 #32
Yeah, but the cop who did the actual shooting is still being paid notadmblnd Jul 2016 #2
It sounds like this might actually be the boss of the two involved in the shooting. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #3
The shooter claimed he was trying to shoot the autistic man, ALSO unarmed..... George II Jul 2016 #4
Well he was being threatened by a deadly toy truck when he fired. NobodyHere Jul 2016 #8
He missed the autistic man with the handcuffs too and only put them on Mr. Kinsey after they shot TeamPooka Jul 2016 #12
Remember Nice, France! graegoyle Jul 2016 #35
Mr.Kinsey asked the officer, "Why did you shoot me?" & Officer said, "I don't know." Sunlei Jul 2016 #14
They both were in passive positions. Quayblue Jul 2016 #31
If you can't actually articulate a reason to shoot someone, christx30 Jul 2016 #6
If they were trying to protect the therapist jb5150 Jul 2016 #7
Yeah it's sad NobodyHere Jul 2016 #10
Force of habit because he was a black male? n/t uawchild Jul 2016 #17
That's how we know that story is a lie. NutmegYankee Jul 2016 #27
That's probably what they were hoping for. christx30 Jul 2016 #37
shot him, handcuffed him, and did not call for the paramedics for over 20 minutes. niyad Jul 2016 #36
Commander has probably "fabricated information" his entire police career. Fire his ass! Sunlei Jul 2016 #11
Hmmm. Where have I heard of the North Miami Police Department before?... Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2016 #13
North Miami and North Miami Beach teach1st Jul 2016 #16
The attempted cover up is an admission that the shooting was indefensible. nt SunSeeker Jul 2016 #15
+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #18
It's called professional courtesy. safeinOhio Jul 2016 #19
If you shoot a person laying on the ground with their hands up, is that attempted murder? jtuck004 Jul 2016 #20
When you admit you fired at an unarmed individual intentionally exboyfil Jul 2016 #33
Had someone shot a cop sitting on the ground with his hands raised, they might have foregone the jtuck004 Jul 2016 #34
it says paid admin leave niyad Jul 2016 #22
That's for the officer who did the shooting NobodyHere Jul 2016 #23
sorry, I misread then. you are correct, it is serious. niyad Jul 2016 #24
It's kind of silly though NobodyHere Jul 2016 #25
Just tells you where the priorities are. n/t malthaussen Jul 2016 #30
This is unbelievable! Fritz Walter Jul 2016 #26
Must be those 'black Only' bullets The Green Manalishi Jul 2016 #28
It must be tough. malthaussen Jul 2016 #29

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
1. Without BLM does anyone really think
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jul 2016

that action would have been taken. That is what the protests are about - accountability.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
21. I tend to agree with you I wil be convinced when Police commanders and patromen
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jul 2016

end up in jail for lying about unlawful shootings and murders of black people just because cops know they can get away with it

They are shooting people for not being subservient. It is Jim Crow back in another form. It is lynching under the color of law in many of these shooting incidents

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
3. It sounds like this might actually be the boss of the two involved in the shooting.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jul 2016

If so, it would demonstrate the "entire basket" corollary to the typical "bad apple" argument.

George II

(67,782 posts)
4. The shooter claimed he was trying to shoot the autistic man, ALSO unarmed.....
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jul 2016

....we've all seen the video, what did either do to warrant a shooting?

I didn't know about the commander, but the shooter was blatantly lying too.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
8. Well he was being threatened by a deadly toy truck when he fired.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jul 2016

Maybe he got nervous and missed all three of his shots

TeamPooka

(24,259 posts)
12. He missed the autistic man with the handcuffs too and only put them on Mr. Kinsey after they shot
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jul 2016

him.
Missed again with that lame excuse.

graegoyle

(532 posts)
35. Remember Nice, France!
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:44 AM
Jul 2016

What untold horrors could have been visited upon Florida with that toy truck?! It could have meant the wholesale slaughter of toy people!!!!!exclamation pointses!!!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
14. Mr.Kinsey asked the officer, "Why did you shoot me?" & Officer said, "I don't know."
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jul 2016

What Kinsey said from his hospital bed.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
6. If you can't actually articulate a reason to shoot someone,
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jul 2016

make something up. Lie out of your butt if you have to.

And cops wonder why they aren't trusted, and where this anger comes from.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
27. That's how we know that story is a lie.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jul 2016

Any normal empathetic human being knows to apply pressure to a wound. In this case, not only did police not let the man tend to the wound, but instead they handcuffed him and left him on the blazing hot concrete for 20 minutes with no one trying to stop the bleeding. If an artery had been hit, he'd have bled to death.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
37. That's probably what they were hoping for.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jul 2016

The lack of someone to testify against them. Unfortunately for them, Mr. Kinsey looks like a fighter.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,344 posts)
13. Hmmm. Where have I heard of the North Miami Police Department before?...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jul 2016

Oh yeah,



North Miami police use faces of black men as targets

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/01/15/miami-police-target-practice-mug-shots-blacks/21834491/


Michael Winter, USA TODAY 9:50 p.m. EST January 15, 2015

North Miami Beach police are facing criticism for using mug shots of black suspects for target practice.

One of the six bullet-riddled faces was the brother of a Florida National Guard sergeant, who was shocked when she arrived at the gun range after police snipers last month, according to WTVJ-TV. Her brother had served four years in prison for a fatal drag race as a teenager, but turned his life around after his release in 2004.

North Miami Beach Police J. Scott Dennis defended his sniper team, which he said includes minority officers. No policies were violated, no racial profiling was involved and none of the officers would be disciplined, he said.


He acknowledged, however, that they could have used better judgment, because one target -- Woody Deant -- had been arrested by his department and "would be someone that was on the streets of North Miami Beach."


teach1st

(5,935 posts)
16. North Miami and North Miami Beach
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jul 2016

North Miami and North Miami Beach are two distinct, but neighboring municipalities. North Miami Beach is just to the north of North Miami.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
33. When you admit you fired at an unarmed individual intentionally
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jul 2016

you are sure trending that direction. I think that was a horrible admission to state you were trying to shoot someone sitting on the ground who is not armed and is not acting aggressively.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
34. Had someone shot a cop sitting on the ground with his hands raised, they might have foregone the
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:48 PM
Jul 2016

trial and just killed them.

But shoot an unarmed, defenseless, black man, laying prone and with his hands raised, and it's a oopsie.

When you move from policing to occupation, which some of these forces appear to be moving toward, you are just asking for retaliation. This isn't over by a long shot. One might say.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
25. It's kind of silly though
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:38 PM
Jul 2016

Shoot someone and you get paid while it is investigated, lie about the shooting and your pay gets taken away.

Fritz Walter

(4,292 posts)
26. This is unbelievable!
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jul 2016

The Miami Herald is following this story very closely, and Mr. Kinsey's attorney has a few choice words:

Hilton Napoleon, who is representing behavioral therapist Charles Kinsey, said Friday that it was implausible that a trained SWAT team member could be that inaccurate from 50 yards or less.

“I don’t understand if he’s aiming at the autistic kid, how he could miss,” Napoleon said. If that was the case, said the attorney, “he had plenty of time to tell my client to move.”

Napoleon also questioned why if police were trying to save Kinsey’s life, they rolled him over and handcuffed him as he was bleeding from a bullet wound to his leg.


Normally, I try to avoid jury duty like the Plague, but I'd be willing to make an exception, if this case ever made it to trial, and if Counsellor Napoleon got a change of venue to my hometown.

Likewise, I could make a comment about the officer's aim being worse than a Star Wars Stormtrooper, but that might disqualify me from serving on that jury.

Stay tuned!

malthaussen

(17,217 posts)
29. It must be tough.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jul 2016

Pity the poor commander. As the offenses become more egregious and indefensible, it becomes harder and harder to quickly come up with any sort of explanation without fabricating something.

-- Mal

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