BREAKING: Jewish rabbi stabbed by attacker shouting 'Allahu Akbar' in France

[7962]

Source: ExpressUK

A Jewish rabbi has been stabbed by an attacker shouting "Allahu Akbar" in the city of Strasbourg, sparking fears France has fallen victim to another Islamist-inspired terror attack.
The attacker, who is understood to have been arrested, shouted the Islamic phrase meaning God is great during the attack, according to reports in French media.

The 62-year-old victim, who is described as belonging to the orthodox Hasidic sect, was injured in the attack in the Jewish Quarter, 500 metres from the Great Synagogue of Strasbourg.

Named locally as Mr Levy, he took refuge in a nearby bar befofe being taken to hospital.

Mendel Samama, a Strasbourg rabbi who visited him at the hospital, said Mr Levy described surviving the attack as a “miracle”.

Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/701847/Strasbourg-stabbing-Hasidic-Jew-knifed-attacker-France

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The attacker had done a "similar incident" in 2010 and he was free to do it AGAIN??

[NaturalHigh]

1. Seems like authorities dropped the ball freeing him to do this again.

[christx30]

85. Hopefully with his record of bad,

violent, behavior, they won't make this mistake again. Pump him full of any antipsychotic meds you can find, but keep him locked up until the day he dies. Crazy, or a terrorist, doesn't matter. He's clearly a threat to himself and others.

[Democat]

2. Burkini is illegal, but this guy is back out on the street?

The EU seems confused when it comes to extremism.

[leftynyc]

3. Sigh

It's no mystery whey so many French Jews are leaving. I'm puzzled/disgusted by this:

Sources close to the investigation apparently ruled out terrorism early on although the motive of the attack remains unknown.

Ruled out terrorism? Someone shouting Allahu Akbar while stabbing someone who was obviously dressed as an Orthodox Jew and they rule out terrorism? Something doesn't smell right there.

Thankfully he survived the attack. Wishing him a speedy recovery.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

5. Just a plain old hate crime

Oh, or is even that too problematic a designation for the usual suspects?

[leftynyc]

6. The definition of terrorism

is to terrorize. I'd love someone to explain to me how this is not terrorism when an OBVIOUSLY Jewish man is attacked - how this isn't to terrorize any Jew that doesn't keep it hidden.

[philosslayer]

23. Or the attacker is mentally ill

n/t

[awoke_in_2003]

35. Terrorist and menatally ill

are not mutually exclusive.

[King_David]

49. You have to be mentally ill to massacre innocents,

I don't think the Islamic radical, fanatic bigoted , hateful, perverted ,terrorist scum , who massacred 49 homosexual people and their friends in Orlando ,was sane.....just because they were Gay.

[geek tragedy]

4. apparently being a bigoted terrorist = "psychological problems" nt

[Uponthegears]

9. Or . . .

Apparently having psychological problems = "being a bigoted terrorist"

"Initial reports said the perpetrator was suffering from psychological problems and was known to the authorities for carrying out a similar attack in 2010"

Because, lord knows, mentally ill people never attack anyone unless they are bigoted terrorists.

[King_David]

15. This individual unequivocally was both. nt

[Uponthegears]

17. This is from the local newspaper (microsoft transalation, sorry)

It is an imbalance of 44 years, claimed, anti-Semite who had already attacked a Jew with a knife in May 2010 on the place Kléber, in the centre of Strasbourg. Diagnosed with irresponsible for his actions, he had not been tried. The victim, a man of 42 who was also wearing a yarmulke, was slightly injured.

The Chief Rabbi of Strasbourg Rene Gutman visited the scene of the attack. Quickly alerted, the Minister of the Interior Bernard Cazeneuve called him on the phone to express his 'solidarity' to the Strasbourg Jewish community. René Gutman evokes an anti-Semitic, insofar as mugging victim was wearing the yarmulke, but stressed however the "psychiatric context" in which it occurred. Moreover, he indicated to the Minister that relations between the Muslim and Jewish communities were in Strasbourg.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=fr&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dna.fr%2Fedition-de-strasbourg%2F2016%2F08%2F19%2Fagression-antisemite

Interesting that the Chief Rabbi of Strasbourg can refrain from Muslim-bashing and instead attribute this man's actions to his insanity (that's why he was not in jail after his prior offense, because he was insane), yet here . . . not so much.

[King_David]

20. Two terrorist attacks , both on Jews

Pretty clear cut.

But it always seems to be disputed when the victim is Jewish and or Gay.

In Orlando there were people disputing that it was a terrorist attack even though the terrorist admitted affinity for ISIS and admitted doing it in their name , but lots of people spouted some homophobic nonsense about the terrorist being a self loathing Gay male .

There is a disgraceful pattern here.

[Uponthegears]

24. Yes indeed

The constant attempt to attribute the acts of nutcases and zealots to demonize the adherents of Islam and to use that demonization as grounds for advocating a hostile policy against Islamic countries in the Middle East is indeed disgraceful.

[King_David]

25. That's definitely your opinion - only

So speak for yourself- only.

And it was not what I meant when I said disgraceful- we all see what's going on here.

[Uponthegears]

28. What's going on here

Is that the people who actually live in this community and have been exposed to this guy in the past know that he's crazy and that because he's crazy he does these violent things and they've said that's why he did it.

Here on DU though we see the same cast of characters who constantly whine about everything from the Iran nuclear agreement to the illigitimacy of the Palestinian state cueing up to drone on about how it's really Islam that's behind it.

The same forces that made Tim McVeigh and Ted Bundy make terrorists. Religion is just window dressing.

[geek tragedy]

30. he yelled "allahu akbar" and then he stabbed a Jew, again

what's required, him to fill out a form certifying that he's an Islamist radical who hates Jews?

someone can be both crazy and a bigoted terrorist

[Uponthegears]

33. Actually not

Crazy people don't commit willful acts, and he appears by history at least to be legally insane.

Even if he were not though, people commit criminal acts because they are criminals, not because the are Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Jews, or any other religion.

[geek tragedy]

37. he appears by history to be a violent religous fanatic

violent religious fanatics are often not playing with a full deck.

[Uponthegears]

38. You didn't follow the link

did you.

He was previously found to be insane. That was why he wasn't imprisoned for his first attack.

Once again, the mentally ill send their thanks for your treatment recommendation of imprisonment.

[King_David]

40. That's nonsense

Clearly you're no psychiatrist.

[7962]

42. Seems as though this "crazy" person would've stabbed a non-Jew by now??

And he shouldnt have been on the streets anyway. I wonder if he would have been roaming freely if he was a "crazy" protestant?

[cali]

88. absolutely false. Having spent 2 years advocating for the MI

under the federal PAIMI program, both in prisons, regular psych institutions and those in the state hospital who were deemed incompetent, I can tell you that you are categorically wrong that "crazy people don't commit willful acts". Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. And "crazy people" is a meaningless expression in almost any context, but particularly so in situations like this.

[Uponthegears]

89. Apology

You are correct that "crazy" is a meaningless term. I should not have used it, actually for multiple reasons. For that reason you are also correct when you state that crazy people sometimes commit intentional acts.

This assailant, however, was more than simply mentally ill. He had been previously adjudged not guilty by reason of mental incompetence. The legal standard for incompetence is that the defendant be unable to appreciate the wrongfullness of his actions.

While I totally agree with your statement in a broad sense, I stand beside my comment as it regards this particular individual.

As for resumes, I may not be a psychologist but I have 30+ years experience representing criminal defendants whose mental illness is all that stands between them and conviction and/or death.

[cali]

90. thanks. That expression is repugnant to me.

[Uponthegears]

92. You caught the gist

Of "multiple reasons" perfectly.

I was pretty horrified that I had got so caught up in the Muslim issue that I had violated the dignity of the very man I was discussing and many others at the same time.

Again, I apologize.

[guillaumeb]

55. And the mental issues could not have been the foundation

for the attacks?

When US service members rape Okinawan females, no one condemns American culture and Imperialism for the rapes. When they are even reported at DU.

So why, when a Muslim commits an act of violence, is the label terrorism applied?

If the attacker had yelled out "a bas les juifs" (down with the Jews) would this then be considered to be a typical anti-Semitic act that occurred in a country with a long history of anti-Semitism?

[geek tragedy]

71. Religious fanaticism and psychological pathology

are not mutually exclusive.

[King_David]

39. only seems to happen when the victims are Jews or Gays

Then all of a sudden the terrorist is a "crazy" or a"self loathing homosexual " . Because of course no terrorist ever hangs or stones or stabs or pushes off building Jews or Gays - and it's never clear who the victim is.

Pathetic

[7962]

43. Well, its not like their Holy Book calls for stuff like that. or their Holy leaders.

Oh, but wait, YES they DO!
yet we're supposed to all be more understanding of these poor individuals who just cant help themselves

[King_David]

45. Remarkably these twisted terrorist backward bigots are somehow the victims.....

In some disgusting way....

[7962]

57. Imagine if they were of some christian denomination or (gasp) Jewish. nt

[guillaumeb]

53. Very well said, but this tendency to conflate Islam with terror

is not confined to the GOP.

[King_David]

56. Killing a Jew while shouting "Allah o Akbar" or killing 49 Homosexuals while claiming to be ISIS

Who happen to actually kill Gays daily - usually pushing them off buildings... Is not actually "conflating ".

How do you feel about the absolute hate on Gays and Jews by some ?

[guillaumeb]

59. All hate is equivalent. I hate hate.

But a person with a history of mental illness and committing violence is hardly a reason to call this Islamic terror. What it self-evidently proves is that sometimes mentally ill people can be violent.

[King_David]

60. These terrorist bigoted scum are ALL crazy. nt

[guillaumeb]

62. But do not confuse mental illness with people who deliberately

choose violence to make a political point.

When you say terror, do you refer to all acts of violence perpetrated against non-combatants?

[King_David]

64. This guy attacked Jews twice.. Shouting Allah ooh Akbar..

Not random people.
Speaking of GOP...
Anyone convincing themselves that that's coincidence... Best check their own inner prejudices and inner bigotry.

[guillaumeb]

66. So mental illness played no part?

And you ignored my question. I will repeat it.

Is violence committed for political or state purposes against civilians terror?

[King_David]

68. Violence on a Jew by someone who committed it because the person is a Jew,

Twice , is cowardly terrorism .

Same as killing 49 homosexual innocents because they are Gay , is terrorism.

Or pushing Gay males off a building, because they are homosexuals , is terrorism.

Or taking hostage and violence against shoppers in a kosher supermarket in France , because they are Jews- is terrorism.

[guillaumeb]

70. Twice you ignored my actual question. Why?

Is there such a thing as state terrorism?

Is bombing a clearly marked hospital an act of terrorism?
Is bombing a wedding party an act of terrorism?
Are blowing up houses and destroying wells and fields acts of terrorism?

Or is terror a word reserved only for describing those actions taken by Muslims?

[King_David]

73. Ridiculous, loaded questions don't require answers. nt

[guillaumeb]

75. These are not loaded questions.

I wonder if you recognize that there is state terror and individual terror. And that no matter the actor, no matter the claimed reasoning, acts of terror are terror.

But a person with known mental problems? The issue of competence arises.

And for the third time, you refused to answer the questions.

[King_David]

78. It would take extreme prejudice and bigotry not to recognize this as a terrorist attack

Even if the victim was Jewish.
Extreme bigotry.

[JI7]

83. Mental Illness does not Excuse all Crimes. one has to show they had no control. the Woman who

pushed an indian man to his death had mental illness. but that did not excuse her bigotry and crime .

[guillaumeb]

91. But the rush, by some, to label every act of violence involving

a Muslim as "terror" speaks volumes about the ones labeling.

[JI7]

96. and soon look to make excuses anytime

[Behind the Aegis]

27. Got that right!

The asshole, Tony Perkins, right-wing nutjob who just lost his house to a flood, has led some to claim he is a "secret gay" and they think they are being funny, even going as far to tell me, an actual gay man, that "no, it is not a joke at the expense of gays, it is one about hypocrisy." The problem is they don't realize it is their own hypocrisy on display.

Much like sexual assault victims, it seems victims like these are the ones "to blame" and the attacker is "excused" for this or that. It is indeed sickening.

[7962]

44. And it depends on who the attacker is & who the victim is too, apparently.

I wont risk a hide to go any further with that comment.
needless to say, the hypocrisy here sometimes is really disturbing

[King_David]

47. Agreed

And I risked the hides.

[King_David]

46. I see that all the time , unfortunately. nt

[scscholar]

51. Except we'll probably never know the true motives behind the gunman's Orlando attack

[King_David]

54. Rubbish

He told us exactly the motive - he said it was because he was ISIS.


But some disgusting homophobic claims somehow the terrorist scum was a "self loathing homosexual " -- why?

[scscholar]

58. AG Lynch even confirmed that several times

So, are you claiming to know more than our top law enforcement official?

[King_David]

61. On this topic ?

On homosexual behaviour and obvious homophobia?
Yes.
I have lived it...
You?

Why should I respect law enforcement opinion on Gay matters as a Gay man ? Huh???

[scscholar]

63. Because of who picked her

Unless, you're attacking all of us.

[King_David]

65. Huh ?

No idea what that even means.

[scscholar]

67. Do you not understand who nomiates the AG?

She represents him and serves at his pleasure. He has not contradicted what she confirmed. We will never know why that gun owner made the decision to do that thing with a gun.

[King_David]

69. No clue why that's even relevant...

And refuse to move with you on some tangential direction.

Sorry - won't bite or shift or move into your direction.

[geek tragedy]

29. bigoted terrorist is as a bigoted terrorist does.

this one belongs in a cage the rest of his life, not in out-patient treatment

just because some squish with a psych degree sought to look the other way doesn't separate this thug from what he does

[Uponthegears]

31. The chronically mentally ill

ask that I pass along their thanks for your progressive attitude.

[geek tragedy]

32. very funny how you make excuses for this guy as well as the bigoted Judo athlete

who refused to acknowledge his Israeli opponent.

I wonder what the two incidents have in common.

Sometimes crazy people are also evil. See Trump, Donald.

This person is a twice-over attempted murderer, a religious fanatic, and a bigot. That does not mean they are sane.

[Uponthegears]

34. Make excuses

As in not acting like it is the end of the world?

[Uponthegears]

36. Save your judgement

and innuendo.

Treating a mentally ill person as if they are mentally ill and not blowing up a snubbed handshake into an international incident are not symptoms of anti-Semitism.

Implying that they are, however, just might be a sign that someone really has no defense for their positions.

[King_David]

41. Please stop defending this Jew hating bigoted terrorist scum. nt

[Odin2005]

87. Why do you think he became a bigoted terrorist in the first place?

If you decide to become a terrorist there is probably something wrong with you between the ears.

[geek tragedy]

95. Definitely not an either/or situation. nt

[patsimp]

7. the authorities are disgustingly incompetant.

[JI7]

8. The one that killed the priest also had a history

And should have been monitored at the least

[oberliner]

10. "no anti-Semitic motive had yet been established"

Alexandra Gonzalez, crime journalist for French digital TV channel BFMTV, tweeted (in French) to say that the injured man's life was not in danger.

She also quoted a source close to the inquiry as saying that "no anti-Semitic motive had yet been established".

Strasbourg is home to a large Jewish community.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37132582

Odd.

[7962]

12. Crazed Muslim stabs an obvious Jew while screaming "Allah Akbar". NOT Anti Semitic.

Right. If the guy is that much of a mental case, he would be stabbing anyone
The continued need to excuse Muslims is amazing

[Behind the Aegis]

13. You'd be surprised at the excuses some will create to deny it is anti-Semitic.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is blamed on the Jews some how.

[leftynyc]

18. If only he

hadn't been such an OBVIOUS Jew. I expect something like that soon.

[christx30]

19. Yeah, if only if had been not a full Jew. Just Jew-ish. n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

21. I see some excuses are already starting to emerge.

As if bigotry and mental illness are mutually exclusive.

[7962]

22. Ok, THAT one got me laughing. Sad thing is, you're probably right. nt

[MicaelS]

72. You know how it is..

"The Juwes are the men That Will not be Blamed for nothing."

[oberliner]

14. Not to mention that he previously also stabbed a Jewish person a few years ago

But I guess that's just a coincidence. Terrorism has been "ruled out" according to reports.

[Angel Martin]

16. This jihadist attacker is not anti-semitic

he hates all non-muslims equally / sarc

[romanic]

11. But the Pope said there was no such thing as "Islamic violence"

[saidsimplesimon]

26. OK, 7962

I will make myself an open target for the bibi accolateds. There can be forgiveness for the assassianition of Yatzhik Rabin. If, those responsible face justice. Assassination is not justice, it's revenge. imo

[King_David]

52. What's that got to do with anything on this thread.

This thread is about an attack on a Jewish person in France.

WTF has your mumbo jumbo post about Bibi , Israel and Yitzhak Rabin got anything to do with this ?

[ButterflyBlood]

84. Yeah, that post makes about as much sense as a typical Donald Trump statement

New level of non-sequitur.

[MicaelS]

76. WTF does that word salad mean? n/t

[7962]

79. I'm glad I wasnt the only one wondering that

[MicaelS]

81. I've read it several times...

And still can't decipher it.

[leftynyc]

86. WTF does thane to

do with this. Didn't happen in Israel attacker not Palestinian. Or do you see Jews everywhere a target because they're Jewish and make excuses for it?

[Rustyeye77]

48. Sickening.

Hope he rots in jail.

[timlot]

50. Somehow thousands of miles away. Trump could have prevented this.

Believe me.

[AngryAmish]

74. Architects, Engineers.

[underpants]

77. Is there another kind of rabbi?

[7962]

80. Hey, we have to post it as its written!!

[underpants]

93. I know

Bad headline

[MicaelS]

82. Yes there is.

A rabbi is a slang term used in some Police Departments for a higher official who "looks after" select lower level personnel. IOW, they're a type of mentor.

[underpants]

94. I didn't know that