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Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 04:36 AM Oct 2016

2 men wounded by accidental discharge at Florida gun show

Source: Associated Press

2 men wounded by accidental discharge at Florida gun show
Oct 4, 4:18 AM EDT

FORT MYERS, Fla. (AP) -- Authorities say two men were wounded when a gun accidentally discharged at a southwest Florida gun show.

The News-Press (https://goo.gl/qv0aVt ) reports that the accident occurred Sunday in North Fort Myers at the Lee Civic Center.

The Lee County Sheriff's Office says one man was reloading a gun when it fired. The bullet hit the man's finger and then hit another man's foot. Officials are classifying the shooting as an accident and no criminal charges are expected.

Authorities didn't provide details about the extent of the men's injuries.






Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GUN_SHOW_INJURIES_FLORIDA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-04-04-18-16



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2 men wounded by accidental discharge at Florida gun show (Original Post) Judi Lynn Oct 2016 OP
Grammer correction. JonathanRackham Oct 2016 #1
After reading the headline I was actually relieved to note that it was a gun. You are correct. jtuck004 Oct 2016 #2
Spelling correction Liberalagogo Oct 2016 #12
Touche JonathanRackham Oct 2016 #19
What gets me is that Liberalagogo Oct 2016 #21
Was it desirable? Did it occur intentionally? Did it result in harm or loss? LanternWaste Oct 2016 #17
It was precipitated by a bubba dumb ass. JonathanRackham Oct 2016 #20
ND not AD...why would one be loading a gun at a show? ileus Oct 2016 #3
Glock + Idiot nt Yonnie3 Oct 2016 #6
Of course no charges were filed . . . OldRedneck Oct 2016 #4
Certainly not a law like that in Florida SwankyXomb Oct 2016 #18
Number 10... Sancho Oct 2016 #5
I think your ideas are excellent. Ilsa Oct 2016 #10
I feel bad for you discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #24
Is the gun OK? MrScorpio Oct 2016 #7
The gun was loaded. At a gun show. That was not an accident. Vinca Oct 2016 #8
See what happens Coolest Ranger Oct 2016 #9
Morans thinning the herd jpak Oct 2016 #11
Okay, modern guns generally don't "accidentally discharge." Someone discharges them. yellowcanine Oct 2016 #13
Anyone knowledgable about guns, NRA or not, will tell you ManiacJoe Oct 2016 #23
Modern guns need a finger on the trigger to discharge hack89 Oct 2016 #25
"FLORIDA MEN"! It's ... Whiskeytide Oct 2016 #14
Shot in the foot! - humor writes itself packman Oct 2016 #15
REloading a gun at a gun show. truthisfreedom Oct 2016 #16
What were the odds? I mean, all those good guys with all those guns! Aristus Oct 2016 #22
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
2. After reading the headline I was actually relieved to note that it was a gun. You are correct.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 05:46 AM
Oct 2016

Words matter.

 

Liberalagogo

(1,770 posts)
21. What gets me is that
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 01:06 PM
Oct 2016

When people, myself included, correct grammar or spelling in another post, it always seems like they make a spelling or grammatical error in their correction.

I try to spell check and proof my posts before I hit "post", but inevitably I always screw it up.

EDIT: And lo and behold...I did it again.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
17. Was it desirable? Did it occur intentionally? Did it result in harm or loss?
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:43 AM
Oct 2016

What specifically removes 'accident' as an accurate descriptor? Was it desirable? Did it occur intentionally? Did it result in harm or loss?

Accident: an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss






(additionally, prior to advertising our own quick wit through the correction of others, we should practice all due diligence to correct ourselves forehand as well, else advertise ourselves as holding others to a higher standard than we may in fact, hold ourselves to...)

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
5. Number 10...
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 07:23 AM
Oct 2016

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
10. I think your ideas are excellent.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 08:57 AM
Oct 2016

It helps assure that people know what they are doing and are mature enough to own a firearm. It makes us all safer, just as licensing drivers makes us safer.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
24. I feel bad for you
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 10:47 AM
Oct 2016

Those who care enough about gun issues don't like your ideas and those who like your ideas don't care enough about guns (or don't have enough clout) to do something.

But follow some reasoning please and address a few questions:
The Bill of Rights was established to "...prevent misconstruction or abuse of (government) powers..." by protecting certain rights of the people. (Side note: It doesn't say citizens nor does it say residents; it says people.) What gives you the idea that the government could or should license a protected right? Assuming you have a justifiable and ethical defense for that, what makes you think people should be required to prove their emotional and mental suitability?

Who is it takes develops mental and emotional criteria for this 'superficial worthiness' exam?
Who bears the financial burden of challenging this judgement used to suppress the exercise of a protected right?

In specific, would people under a certain temporary stress be subject to restrictions? Would a hostile divorce qualify? If one of the partners was granted an order of protection, be allowed in spite of the emotional situation or given a pass for general protection?

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
8. The gun was loaded. At a gun show. That was not an accident.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 07:32 AM
Oct 2016

Just another example of why knuckle draggers should not be allowed to have guns.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
13. Okay, modern guns generally don't "accidentally discharge." Someone discharges them.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 09:53 AM
Oct 2016

The NRA wants to say that "guns don't kill people" but they want us to believe that guns accidentally discharge. Can't have it both ways.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
23. Anyone knowledgable about guns, NRA or not, will tell you
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 06:44 PM
Oct 2016

that this was a negligent discharge, not an accidental one.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
15. Shot in the foot! - humor writes itself
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 10:06 AM
Oct 2016

Hate to see anyone shot , but somehow that seems appropriate with a loaded gun at a gun show. Maybe the event should have been advertised as a "Gun and Bullet" show.

truthisfreedom

(23,146 posts)
16. REloading a gun at a gun show.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:35 AM
Oct 2016

Everything is wrong with this article. What happened and how it was reported.

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