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angka

(1,599 posts)
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 01:03 PM Oct 2016

Trump protester kicked out of Loveland rally

Source: Loveland Reporter-Herald

Larimer County sheriff's deputies escorted one protester from the Donald Trump rally in Loveland on Monday after he led people with signs out of an enclosed "free-speech area" to stand on the sidewalk so people driving past could see their signs.

Alan Franklin, political director with ProgressNow Colorado, as well as a handful of other protesters said the deputies and mounted members of the Sheriff's Posse corralled them away from the curb, coming very close to them with their horses, and threatened arrest if they didn't return to the fenced-off free-speech zone.

"I consider this to be a very big violation of the First Amendment," said Franklin after he was kicked off the grounds of The Ranch events center complex. "These folks done screwed up."

...County Commissioner Steve Johnson, however, when reached by phone, looked into the private-public property issue. The Ranch is public property, he said.

Read more: http://www.reporterherald.com/news/ci_30431548/trump-protester-kicked-out-loveland-rally

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Trump protester kicked out of Loveland rally (Original Post) angka Oct 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Oct 2016 #1
time place and manner restrictions steventh Oct 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Oct 2016 #5
Funny how free speech isn't absolute, icymist Oct 2016 #7
I detest cages for saidsimplesimon Oct 2016 #2
One of my friends was inside the venue. madamesilverspurs Oct 2016 #4
Don't ya just love it turbinetree Oct 2016 #6
I thought the freespeech zone was ... aggiesal Oct 2016 #8
This is where I'm from, my whole Dad side of my family lives there JonLP24 Oct 2016 #9

Response to angka (Original post)

steventh

(2,143 posts)
3. time place and manner restrictions
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 01:55 PM
Oct 2016

US Supreme Court has repeatedly held that government may impose restrictions on free expression. See, e.g., http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Time%2c+Place%2c+and+Manner+Restrictions

"The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees Freedom of Speech. This guarantee generally safeguards the right of individuals to express themselves without governmental restraint. Nevertheless, the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment is not absolute. It has never been interpreted to guarantee all forms of speech without any restraint whatsoever. Instead, the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that state and federal governments may place reasonable restrictions on the time, place, and manner of individual expression. Time, place, and manner (TPM) restrictions accommodate public convenience and promote order by regulating traffic flow, preserving property interests, conserving the environment, and protecting the administration of justice."

Response to steventh (Reply #3)

icymist

(15,888 posts)
7. Funny how free speech isn't absolute,
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 03:19 PM
Oct 2016

but the 2nd amendment is in the eyes of Trump supporters and others who think like that.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
2. I detest cages for
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 01:43 PM
Oct 2016

those peaceful protesters exercising their constitutional rights. I also admire those willing to practice civil, non-violent disobedience.

madamesilverspurs

(15,801 posts)
4. One of my friends was inside the venue.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 01:56 PM
Oct 2016

She's a high school government teacher, and she took some of her students with her. They got quite an experience, not what they were expecting. She said it was an atmosphere of anger, doom and gloom, the hate was palpable. Keeping her students' safety in mind, she didn't tell anyone that she was a Democrat.

Another friend was outside in the "free speech" zone. She's looking into why the heavily armed LEOs demanded ID from protesters. I'm very interested in learning that answer.

.

turbinetree

(24,701 posts)
6. Don't ya just love it
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 02:36 PM
Oct 2016

lets look back and see what started this "stuff", it was started because people like me and thousands of others were in the streets during the Vietnam incident, we could DIE and get drafted but we couldn't vote, go figure.

Now if you go from one publicly paid sidewalk and cross a publicly paid street, and stand on another publicly sidewalk you can't do that now.

So for your enjoyment here's the history of these so called "free speech zones"

http://www.liquisearch.com/free_speech_zone


http://www.liquisearch.com/free_speech_zone/history


aggiesal

(8,914 posts)
8. I thought the freespeech zone was ...
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 08:40 PM
Oct 2016

everywhere within the U.S. borders.
Isn't that what the Constitution says?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
9. This is where I'm from, my whole Dad side of my family lives there
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 09:05 PM
Oct 2016

I have fond memories of the Larimer county fair.

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