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kerouac2

(449 posts)
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 03:36 PM Nov 2016

FBI releases docs from 2001 Rich investigation days before election

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)The FBI on Tuesday -- one week from Election Day -- released heavily redacted files from its 2001 investigation of President Bill Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich.

The release quickly drew complaints from Democrats who have assailed FBI Director James Comey for his decision last week to tell Congress the bureau was reviewing emails potentially related to Hillary Clinton's private server.

The bureau Tuesday posted 129 pages from its 2001 investigation of Rich, a former hedge-fund trader who had been indicted on multiple counts of tax evasion.
Bill Clinton pardoned Rich on his last day in office, one of his most controversial decisions as president.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/01/politics/fbi-clinton-marc-rich-investigation/



My comment? WTF?? Are you kidding me??
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FBI releases docs from 2001 Rich investigation days before election (Original Post) kerouac2 Nov 2016 OP
LOL not even trying to hide it anymore ebbie15644 Nov 2016 #2
^^^^^ /nt because I'm speechless. Merlot Nov 2016 #5
Falling on the sword for the party. Coyotl Nov 2016 #45
From the article... Upin Nov 2016 #66
and if they're reaching back to Mr. Rich, they ain't got shit Skittles Nov 2016 #80
This has no effect unless the MSM is willing to make something out of it. upaloopa Nov 2016 #3
It's like there yo create optics Foggyhill Nov 2016 #8
"....unless the MSM is willing to make something out of it." citood Nov 2016 #23
CNN is reporting it but they are pointing out the very weird timing and asked for a statement anneboleyn Nov 2016 #32
MSNBC reported tonight and pundits were incredulous wordpix Nov 2016 #55
There is something really wrong in the fbi Foggyhill Nov 2016 #4
Actually, the only reason that so many people have a favorable view of the fibblies, ChairmanAgnostic Nov 2016 #20
You ain't kidding. sofa king Nov 2016 #51
It's looking like Comey is what's wrong. The captain wordpix Nov 2016 #56
HRC must clean up democracy bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #6
She can't do it by herself, any more than Obama could. Send her a Democratic Congress. Hekate Nov 2016 #9
Not so sure I'd want a blackout period- what if they had information on tRump's rape of 13 year old groundloop Nov 2016 #13
Indictments and public info should not be blackedbout Foggyhill Nov 2016 #17
Comey is definitely "trying to damage Hillary's campaign" red dog 1 Nov 2016 #24
I agree with you 100%. christx30 Nov 2016 #47
Heavily REDACTED because Mark Rich was a functionary for Poppy Bush ( IranContra/BCCI ) blm Nov 2016 #7
What the ever-lovin' Hekate Nov 2016 #10
The FBI has become corrupt rockfordfile Nov 2016 #11
^^^^^^ this (nt) sunnystarr Nov 2016 #14
BECOME corrupt? liberalhistorian Nov 2016 #37
What the hell is going on??? PatSeg Nov 2016 #12
What the hell is going on is that Putin has something on Comey groundloop Nov 2016 #16
I've said numerous times PatSeg Nov 2016 #21
or if someone has paid him off in a big way....say..$50 million or more red dog 1 Nov 2016 #26
well he injected himself into the fire of a fiery election wordpix Nov 2016 #58
No. Comey is a partisan hack going clear back to the 1990s. n/t duffyduff Nov 2016 #43
Please. ronnie624 Nov 2016 #61
Panic and Comey showing his real allegiance. It might even be about more than the suffragette Nov 2016 #72
It is certainly starting to smell really fishy PatSeg Nov 2016 #75
I started digging more on the inititiating Daily Mail story. Turns out it's not the suffragette Nov 2016 #78
Ah, even fishier! PatSeg Nov 2016 #81
Comey the commie is trying to singlehandedly decide the election liberal N proud Nov 2016 #15
It also should be considered a violation of the Hatch Act red dog 1 Nov 2016 #29
He's not a communist. ronnie624 Nov 2016 #62
When I Saw This On the Home Page... SDJay Nov 2016 #18
He is trying to dare them into firing him. It is obvious. n/t duffyduff Nov 2016 #42
Nobody cares! That was sooo long ago, and even back then most people dismissed it as napi21 Nov 2016 #22
This is what makes it particularly weird. Comey isn't a stupid person, moonscape Nov 2016 #64
The Pubs in the House, and especially those on the "Sink Hillary Committee" have napi21 Nov 2016 #70
Yes on the reason he did the email letter - pressure - moonscape Nov 2016 #71
Federal Bureau of Ratfucking strikes again! SwankyXomb Nov 2016 #25
Over the top get the red out Nov 2016 #27
Revenge. She called him out and now the FBI is retaliating. This is Putins America. Laser102 Nov 2016 #28
Vince Foster will be next Enrique Nov 2016 #30
President Obama needs to do something about Comey NOW! red dog 1 Nov 2016 #33
The problem he's facing is that, if he does something about liberalhistorian Nov 2016 #39
I understand your point, and I agree, however, Obama could have at least included in his statement. red dog 1 Nov 2016 #79
That is what Comey is doing, trying to force Obama to fire him. Won't happen. n/t duffyduff Nov 2016 #41
What in the FUCK is going on here? liberalhistorian Nov 2016 #36
He goes back to the bogus Senate Whitewater Committee, circa 1996 duffyduff Nov 2016 #40
Freedom of Information Act requests it seems... Upin Nov 2016 #67
Gee, what's next? The Vince Foster files? duffyduff Nov 2016 #38
Is Comey running against Clinton in 2020? Coyotl Nov 2016 #44
I wonder how many prosecutions might be affected by the FBI showing such a clear partisan bias... Crash2Parties Nov 2016 #46
They are Ransacking their Files Looking for ANYTHING to Hurt HRC AndyTiedye Nov 2016 #48
Dormant FBI Archives Twitter Account Revived Two Days Ago: Pro Trump, Anti Clinton riversedge Nov 2016 #49
oh, FFS. The President needs to fire DiverDave Nov 2016 #50
The culture in the FBI is partisan Republican. I never imagined mahina Nov 2016 #52
This should erase any doubt that Comey is a low-life Trump asslicker. dalton99 Nov 2016 #53
Comey is trying to protect down ballot candidates from Hillary's potential blowout of Trump... Jnew28 Nov 2016 #60
Comey seems to love the smell of Trumps ass. Kablooie Nov 2016 #63
Don't forget Louis Freeh DeminPennswoods Nov 2016 #65
He was the FBI director from September 1993 - he was appointed by Bill Clinton karynnj Nov 2016 #74
F*ck Comey JustAnotherGen Nov 2016 #76
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Upin

(115 posts)
66. From the article...
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:23 AM
Nov 2016
"The FBI's Records Management Division receives thousands of FOIA requests annually which are processed on a first in, first out basis," the bureau said. "By law, FOIA materials that have been requested three or more times are posted electronically to the FBI's public reading room shortly after they are processed. Per the standard procedure for FOIA, these materials became available for release and were posted automatically and electronically to the FBI's public reading room in accordance with the law and established procedures."

The release was posted on Twitter by @FBIRecordsVault, an account that posts material from FOIA requests on subjects of public interest.

Foggyhill

(1,060 posts)
8. It's like there yo create optics
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 03:44 PM
Nov 2016

That's why your not supposed to comment
On cases

And they'll me now that Comeys bureau diesn't violate the hatch act... give me a break

At best he's allowed the FBI to become a cesspool of right wingers with a partisan sgenda

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
32. CNN is reporting it but they are pointing out the very weird timing and asked for a statement
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 05:00 PM
Nov 2016

from the FBI regarding the timing (so far CNN has not received a statement).

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
55. MSNBC reported tonight and pundits were incredulous
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 01:05 AM
Nov 2016

about it. Also said the announcement came via a Twitter acct. that hadn't been used for about a year.

Foggyhill

(1,060 posts)
4. There is something really wrong in the fbi
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 03:40 PM
Nov 2016

I mean really really reslly wrong

2001


It's time The DOJ issues comments

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
20. Actually, the only reason that so many people have a favorable view of the fibblies,
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 04:05 PM
Nov 2016

is because of Ephram Zimbalist Junior (I never knew and never care who senior was) who had this campy show called the
"F B I"

It always showed them as smart, honest, tough and invincible. The reality was far different, from the very start.

J. Edgar Hoover made a point of searching out, blackmailing, and threatening gays for the crime of being . . . gay.

In 1965, Fred Cook wrote a book called "The FBI nobody Knows." If you were female, Black, Italian, Jewish, Gay, liberal, you would not even be interviewed for a job. If you read the wrong magazines, including The Nation, Mother Jones or a plethora of foreign papers or periodicals, you were suspect. The organization he created without any congressional oversight, supervision, or input, was little more than a goon squad used to further his agenda. More than a few presidents actually feared him, and for good reason.

He was an evil, greedy, manipulative man and the organization still suffers because of that. Check out the political battles in 1906-1909, and how conservative congressmen, at virtual war with Roosevelt (Teddie) decided that the DOJ needed its own secret agents. Voila, the FBI was born.

As an aside. In exchange for approving scripts (this was in the days that the FCC actually censored TV programs, for sex, violence, use of language, even topics like Nixon on Laugh-In), the FBI shared some tall tales with the writers of F B I that were changed solely to make the FBI look good and invincible. Hoover even had a problem with the star of the show, given that Ephram Zimbalist was born to a russian. Reluctantly, he agreed to his getting the role.

There has never been a time that the FBI was the ideal, clean and corruption free organization. That is only an image promoted by the FBI. With the help of a cowed and ineffective media. And with the help of fearful politicians who really feared Hoover.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
51. You ain't kidding.
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 11:52 PM
Nov 2016

We've got our fucking domestic counterintelligence bureau pulling for the Russian pawn.

It's time to clean house and send every Bush-era appointee left in our damned government "into the hole," just like W Bush did. Let them finish out their careers under a mountain in Pennsylvania--without the nuclear keys.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
6. HRC must clean up democracy
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 03:41 PM
Nov 2016

with campaign finance reform, overturn Citizens United, and a blackout
period surrounding elections

This could have been done anytime

This is now political payback for whatever

Dirty tricks

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
13. Not so sure I'd want a blackout period- what if they had information on tRump's rape of 13 year old
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 03:48 PM
Nov 2016

I'm kind of conflicted on this, because I see clearly that Comey is trying to damage Hillary's campaign. However, what if there was new, damning, irrefutable evidence that had just came to light about tRump raping that young girl? Should that be withheld until after the election?

Foggyhill

(1,060 posts)
17. Indictments and public info should not be blackedbout
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 03:53 PM
Nov 2016

But even for trump, I would not want the fbi to meddle in the election

Considering those cases are settled

And pushing them back a week would not have made a diff, it seems people have been holding on to those for a long while deliberately to release Now

The FBI is now working against HRC
There is no more doubt

red dog 1

(27,799 posts)
24. Comey is definitely "trying to damage Hillary's campaign"
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 04:33 PM
Nov 2016

As far as Trump raping that young girl...it's a civil lawsuit, not a criminal case.

Neither the FBI nor the NYPD would have any "new, damming, irrefutable evidence" relating to a civil lawsuit.

What could come out before the election regarding Trump's alleged rape of a 13-year-old girl, is if a new witness came forward, but that's not very likely.

The hearing for that case is now set for Dec 16 in NY Federal Court

"Why is MSM refusing to cover Trump's underage rape lawsuit?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512541574

christx30

(6,241 posts)
47. I agree with you 100%.
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:16 PM
Nov 2016

But 15 year old information on a closed case has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anything else in the world. Why not bring up the XYZ affair from 1797 why they're at it? Any new information on Watergate? I guess not, since that was a republican corruption, and not smoke and mirrors to defame a Clinton.

blm

(113,059 posts)
7. Heavily REDACTED because Mark Rich was a functionary for Poppy Bush ( IranContra/BCCI )
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 03:42 PM
Nov 2016

Clinton pardoned Rich for Poppy Bush. Everything else was distracting HORSESHIT!

liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
37. BECOME corrupt?
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 05:40 PM
Nov 2016

It's always been corrupt since its founding, it just hasn't usually been this blatant, obvious and partisan about it.

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
16. What the hell is going on is that Putin has something on Comey
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 03:50 PM
Nov 2016

There's simply no other way to explain this. Comey has to know that these actions will end his career, it must take some mighty strong convincing to get someone to go take such drastic measures.

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
21. I've said numerous times
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 04:09 PM
Nov 2016

Last edited Tue Nov 1, 2016, 07:25 PM - Edit history (1)

that Comey looks like a hostage victim, as if someone has a gun to his back or a loved one.

red dog 1

(27,799 posts)
26. or if someone has paid him off in a big way....say..$50 million or more
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 04:41 PM
Nov 2016

and has promised even more money if Trump is elected..

THAT would motivate an evil bastard such as Comey to do whatever he can to help Trump.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
72. Panic and Comey showing his real allegiance. It might even be about more than the
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 01:41 PM
Nov 2016

Presidential election.

They need to motivate Republicans who have been turned off by Trump to still vote so they have down ticket numbers. Also, they could be trying to reinflame doubts in Democrats who weren't keen about Hillary to depress those likely Democratic down ticket votes.

I've been wondering if the whole thing was timed. It's clear this and the purposefully cryptic reopening of the emails was timed so it would still be a question mark on Election Day.

Was the timing of the Daily Mail article about Weiner also purposeful? After all, his exchanges with the girl apparently occurred much earlier this year. Was the reporting held back until September to produce an October surprise?

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
75. It is certainly starting to smell really fishy
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 01:56 PM
Nov 2016

And Comey demeanor comes across as someone who is either being blackmailed or bribed big time.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
78. I started digging more on the inititiating Daily Mail story. Turns out it's not the
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 02:36 PM
Nov 2016

First October surprise against Democrats that reporter has launched.

Hmmm.

Putting the info together for a post I'll put up soon.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
15. Comey the commie is trying to singlehandedly decide the election
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 03:50 PM
Nov 2016

This should be considered a clear and present danger to our Democracy.

red dog 1

(27,799 posts)
29. It also should be considered a violation of the Hatch Act
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 04:50 PM
Nov 2016

If President Obama wanted to, he could immediately put Comey on "administrative leave" and direct Attorney General Lynch to begin proceedings on getting an indictment of Comey for violating the Hatch Act,

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
18. When I Saw This On the Home Page...
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 03:57 PM
Nov 2016

I was expecting it to be from Andy Borowitz or some other satire writer. It's not. Holy shit.

What's next? The double-secret file on what really happened with Vince Foster? Unbelievable.

At this point I think President Obama's and AG Lynch's hands are almost being forced. This freaking guy needs to be fired and perhaps arrested. If this isn't electioneering I guess I don't know what is.

Sickening.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
22. Nobody cares! That was sooo long ago, and even back then most people dismissed it as
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 04:10 PM
Nov 2016

that's the way politics works.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
64. This is what makes it particularly weird. Comey isn't a stupid person,
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 02:27 AM
Nov 2016

and he would have to be to engineer this. Not only does nobody care, but it undercuts any scheme related to the email letter.

Something is very off about this.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
70. The Pubs in the House, and especially those on the "Sink Hillary Committee" have
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 01:20 PM
Nov 2016

been on Comey big time since he exonerated her on the Email investigation. They've ignored his calls, wouldn't even acknowledge him when passing in the halls of Congress. I think they mentally got to him so badly he figured he could placate them with this new "emails found story", BUT that didn't do enough damage, so he tried the only other tidbit he could find, and that was the OLD story about Bill.

I'm racking my brain to think of a solution to VICIOUS behavior of what seems like the majority of Pubs!! So far I hsaven'tw found any ideas.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
71. Yes on the reason he did the email letter - pressure -
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 01:29 PM
Nov 2016

I didn't know about how he was treated, but makes sense. Expecting them to be adults is too much to ask.

Still - the Marc Rich thing smells more like rogue insiders than Comey throwing meat to the Congressional lions, and that Comey has a hot mess on his hands internally.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
27. Over the top
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 04:43 PM
Nov 2016

This is completely over the top. The FBI doesn't even want to try to covertly meddle in the election, they have effectively put a flashing fluorescent sign over the Bureau screaming it.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
30. Vince Foster will be next
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 04:56 PM
Nov 2016

one of these per day until the election, Vince Foster, then Travelgate, then the alien baby, etc.

red dog 1

(27,799 posts)
33. President Obama needs to do something about Comey NOW!
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 05:02 PM
Nov 2016

Comey is in clear violation of the Hatch Act, and only the President has the power to fire Comey, or put him on administrative leave, and seek an indictment for Comey's clear violation of the law (Hatch Act)

No one is "above the law"...not even the Director of the FBI.

You can't "sit this one out" Mr. President - you need to step in before Comey does anymore damage.

As Harry Truman so wisely said..."The buck stops here!"

liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
39. The problem he's facing is that, if he does something about
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 05:42 PM
Nov 2016

it now, this week, it will be seen as partisan revenge instead of a rightful reigning-in of a rogue cabinet official. He's really caught between a rock and a hard place.

red dog 1

(27,799 posts)
79. I understand your point, and I agree, however, Obama could have at least included in his statement.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 02:37 PM
Nov 2016

..the "possibility" that Comey may have violated the Hatch Act.

That should not be viewed as "partisan revenge"...since Comey is not above the law.

liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
36. What in the FUCK is going on here?
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 05:38 PM
Nov 2016

What the FUCK is the FBI's goddamned problem? Could Comey BE any more blatantly partisan? Where the hell is the evidence we KNOW they're sitting on detailing Trump's numerous connections with Russian officials and banks? FUCK Comey, fucking partisan hack.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
40. He goes back to the bogus Senate Whitewater Committee, circa 1996
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 05:43 PM
Nov 2016

Always was a goddamned hack. Obama screwed the pooch here.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
38. Gee, what's next? The Vince Foster files?
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 05:42 PM
Nov 2016

That s.o.b. Comey needs to be sent packing. He is SO obvious.

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
48. They are Ransacking their Files Looking for ANYTHING to Hurt HRC
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:33 PM
Nov 2016

At this point, the only way Comey keeps his job is if Rump wins, so he will do everything in his power to make that happen.

riversedge

(70,214 posts)
49. Dormant FBI Archives Twitter Account Revived Two Days Ago: Pro Trump, Anti Clinton
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 11:37 PM
Nov 2016

Lots of screen shots of tweets included....



Dormant FBI Archives Twitter Account Revived Two Days Ago: Pro Trump, Anti Clinton

http://heatst.com/politics/dormant-fbi-archives-twitter-account-revived-two-days-ago-pro-trump-anti-clinton/



By Louise Mensch | 2:25 pm, November 1, 2016

The verified FBI archives account on Twitter has been dormant for over a year. Two days ago, it started tweeting again with a partisan release praising Fred C. Trump as a “philanthropist”. Trump was the father of Donald Trump, and was a highly controversial figure particularly over race issues. Today, the FBI archives released negative material on the Bill Clinton Foundation.


A Hillary supporter on Twitter, Dustin Giebel, whom I have interviewed, pointing out the shocking fact that the FBI Archives account had been completely dormant since 2015 before the oleaginous tweet about Fred Trump.


Giebel’s summation is correct. This tweet on Fred Trump was published Oct 30:
.....................................

was immediately preceded by this tweet – posted over a year ago in August, 2015.

Meanwhile, an anti-Clinton tweet appeared on the feed today:

The evidence of partisan hackery here comes as there is huge skepticism over unnamed FBI sources who spun to the New York Times that Donald Trump was not linked to Russia (it should be noted that the agency itself has said no such thing, and have briefed Harry Reid on an active investigation).

.......................................

mahina

(17,652 posts)
52. The culture in the FBI is partisan Republican. I never imagined
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 12:39 AM
Nov 2016

They would step so far out of bounds and I pray to God they fail.

I don't know what the remedy is for this but they must not operate in a partisan manner.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
65. Don't forget Louis Freeh
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 02:42 AM
Nov 2016

I don't think Comey is a true partisan hack, but Louis Freeh sure was. He was FBI director from 1991-2001. I'd guess he hired a lot of like-minded agents during his 10 years and they'd be pretty far up the chain of command after 20+ years. Mueller was then appointed to clean up Freeh's mess. I think Comey is still dealing with the problems Freeh created at the FBI.

There's no doubt Clinton will need to appoint a very strong Atty General to clean up the FBI once and for all. I'm sure there are many dedicated agents who are appalled at what's happening now at the FBI.

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