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videohead5

(2,172 posts)
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 08:59 AM Nov 2016

Dispatch Poll: Clinton-Trump race too close to call in Ohio Clinton 48% Trump 47%

Source: The Columbus Dispatch

As the bitter 2016 presidential campaign lurches into its final crucial days, the nation’s leading bellwether state remains ripe for plucking by either side, the Dispatch Poll found. The survey shows Democrat Hillary Clinton leading by 1 point, 48 percent to 47 percent, over Republican Donald Trump heading into the final days of the raucous race.

Read more: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/11/06/dispatch-poll-finds-presidential-race-too-close-to-call.html#



I think Hillary will win Ohio.she is surging late.
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Dispatch Poll: Clinton-Trump race too close to call in Ohio Clinton 48% Trump 47% (Original Post) videohead5 Nov 2016 OP
Only if we GOTV. LisaL Nov 2016 #1
Please tell me about Trumps GOTV operation. nt. Blue Idaho Nov 2016 #20
Who has the best GOTV effort. Wins....Period and why every democrat must vote beachbumbob Nov 2016 #2
But only if the machines are kept honest. ananda Nov 2016 #18
I just can't help wondering bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #3
Well for them this election was never about winning the whitehouse the Koch brothers cstanleytech Nov 2016 #5
^^^ THIS ^^^ BumRushDaShow Nov 2016 #11
I don't see it that way at all. sofa king Nov 2016 #24
As a fed BumRushDaShow Nov 2016 #25
WTF is wrong with Ohio? Chasstev365 Nov 2016 #4
White. Working Class. Men. apnu Nov 2016 #10
I have in-laws living in OH BumRushDaShow Nov 2016 #13
What is wrong in a lot of areas / states . Not everyone lives in the city , where there may Kathy M Nov 2016 #26
Keep working! 2 more days! lonestarnot Nov 2016 #6
What is the main age demographic among Columbus Dispatch readers? Crowman1979 Nov 2016 #7
If the media would only start talking about who would staff a Trump Administration. Dadgumit Nov 2016 #12
What is value gain Cryptoad Nov 2016 #17
Better than I had hoped ... GOTV!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t broadcaster75201 Nov 2016 #19
Excellent, Trump has definitely lost ground in Ohio. SunSeeker Nov 2016 #21
The best part of these recent OH polls that show her tied jcgoldie Nov 2016 #22
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beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
2. Who has the best GOTV effort. Wins....Period and why every democrat must vote
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 09:15 AM
Nov 2016

No doubt the democratic effort for GOTV will bring the election to Hillary in Ohio...

ananda

(28,859 posts)
18. But only if the machines are kept honest.
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 11:21 AM
Nov 2016

Anonymous had to unhack Ohio in 2012.

I hope they're on it again!

bucolic_frolic

(43,158 posts)
3. I just can't help wondering
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 09:19 AM
Nov 2016

if the GOP has used Trump as much as Trump has used the GOP

That means they knew they would have a difficult election emerging
from Obama's presidency and the Great Recession, and their Senate
cycle was particularly challenging. They fielded a lunatic to take the
heat which allows their incumbents to go on as normal. And they turned
this election into a farce long ago with the Benghazi and Emails
investigations. In short, they did not want to run an election on issues
of economic equality and oligarchy, wages and health benefits, and
they haven't.

In that sense, Bernie Sanders has energized our party and saved the bacon.
Our biggest fear going forward is bad economic cycles/events. Those can
always throw incumbents from office.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
5. Well for them this election was never about winning the whitehouse the Koch brothers
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 09:22 AM
Nov 2016

and other top Republicans made that plain long ago, no this was all about them keeping control over the House because with that they control the government no matter who is president or who controls the Senate.

BumRushDaShow

(128,949 posts)
11. ^^^ THIS ^^^
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 10:12 AM
Nov 2016

where the House controls the purse strings. Although the Senate controls the Supreme Court (and other appointed officials') nomination process. Expect they figure if they lose the Senate, they can still stall by using "holds", filibusters, and esoteric Senate Rules to obstruct their way through the next 4 years, assuming whoever becomes Majority Leader (rumors keep pointing to Schumer) allows them to do so.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
24. I don't see it that way at all.
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 08:49 PM
Nov 2016

When is the last time the House has produced an actual appropriations bill which made it to the President? So far this fiscal year, the score is, "none." Last fiscal year, "none."

https://www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/Appropriations+for+Fiscal+Year+2017
https://www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/Appropriations+for+Fiscal+Year+2016


They're still in the process of passing continuing resolutions which re-re-re-approve President Obama's 2012 budget, because Republicans can't write one of their own. That is why the economy has steadily improved over the past four years, because Republicans are too dumb to compete, and just smart enough not to fuck it up.

As far as I'm concerned, those redneck yahoos can have the House. They don't know what they're doing and haven't for twenty years. They've become complacent with the process of rubber-stamping the President's budget because they don't know how to write one of their own, and spend almost all of their time on symbolic bullshit like voting to repeal the Affordable Care Act without offering an alternative, which the Senate bats back, or investigating emails.

After they fucked up and lost a trillion dollars in defense funding for Republican benefactors, it's been hands-off for the House. The truth of the matter is that as far as appropriations go, President Obama has had Congress by the balls for four years now, and so long as we have a President Clinton, that's not going to change.

BumRushDaShow

(128,949 posts)
25. As a fed
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 09:03 PM
Nov 2016

trust me when I say that we were not operating on a CR after they passed the last Omnibus a little over a year ago.

Constitutionally, the House controls the purse-strings whether the Senate actually comes up with all the language, attaches it to an unrelated House spending (or other) bill that they were asked to debate and vote on, and then sends it back to the House to vote on as if it originally came from them.

Most times, they don't ever reinvent the wheel in appropriations bills. I have watched many committee markup sessions (on CSPAN) and they essentially use the same text as previous bills and will strike some paragraphs or add others and then fill in the newest negotiated amounts, with occasional add-ons or policy riders. It is what it is.

I remember the last time they actually produced and passed the 12 individual appropriations bills (versus the now more-common "Omnibus Appropriations" bills, rolling most if not all under a single bill), that was under Clinton (I am thinking 1996ish), and they actually did it BEFORE the September 30 end of fiscal year deadline. That was 20 years ago.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
10. White. Working Class. Men.
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 10:06 AM
Nov 2016

They are under the spell of Republicans. Republicans who have screwed them over and blamed the Democrats for it. Women and non-whites will have to save the country.

BumRushDaShow

(128,949 posts)
13. I have in-laws living in OH
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 10:28 AM
Nov 2016

and my BIL has told me that many of his friends have left the state (as well as himself and one of his brothers) - essentially scattering to the winds to settle in states east, west, and south of there.

However, the elephant in the room in OH is Kaisich since he (as their Governor & native son) won the GOP primary there by a couple hundred thousand votes. Kasich publicly denounced Trump and recently announced that he wrote in John McCain rather than vote for Trump.

Don't know how many of his original supporters are going to go along with his suggestion to write in a candidate or will decide to go on and vote for Trump anyway OR maybe sit it out. And I don't know how much this dynamic is factoring into the polling for "likely" voters there... But it seems the likely voter models might be assuming Kasich's supporters will vote for Trump regardless, and to me, that may or may not happen, which enhances the uncertainty of what the polling is really capturing.

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
26. What is wrong in a lot of areas / states . Not everyone lives in the city , where there may
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 10:50 PM
Nov 2016

be decent paying jobs . There are / have been plant closing ......... other changes .... then add in price for college

The county I live in was always reliably democratic .... this year I do not know

I am sure other areas will carry the state for Hillary and rural areas will not be needed .

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
7. What is the main age demographic among Columbus Dispatch readers?
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 09:59 AM
Nov 2016

My guess is over 50, since I don't know of anyone under the age of 40 who subscribes to a newspaper, let alone watches TV news.

Dadgumit

(20 posts)
12. If the media would only start talking about who would staff a Trump Administration.
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 10:19 AM
Nov 2016

Chris Krispie as AG, Rudy Gouliani as either Sec of Defense or head of FBI, CIA, NSA. Trump, Jr. as Sec of Treasury, Ivanka as just his secretary (personal). Ted Cruz as Sec of State (he has been saying nice things about Trumplethinskin of late).

This should scare 2-3% more votes Hillary's way!!!

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
22. The best part of these recent OH polls that show her tied
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 04:28 PM
Nov 2016

Is that if Ohio is tied or even close, then any inlking that MI or PA are close is more than likely incorrect as well.

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