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highplainsdem

(48,975 posts)
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 06:56 PM Nov 2016

Trump poised to violate Constitution his first day in office, George W. Bush's ethics lawyer says

Source: ThinkProgress

Friday evening, the Washington Post reported that about 100 foreign diplomats gathered at President-elect Donald Trump’s hotel in Washington, DC to “to sip Trump-branded champagne, dine on sliders and hear a sales pitch about the U.S. president-elect’s newest hotel.” The tour included a look at the hotel’s $20,000 a night “town house” suite. The Post also quoted some of the diplomats saying they intended to stay at the hotel in order to ingratiate themselves to the incoming president.

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In an exclusive exchange with ThinkProgress, Richard Painter, a University of Minnesota law professor who previously served as chief ethics counsel to President George W. Bush, says that Trump’s efforts to do business with these diplomats is at odds with a provision of the Constitution intended to prevent foreign states from effectively buying influence with federal officials.

The Constitution’s “Emoluments Clause,” provides that “no person holding any office of profit or trust under” the United States “shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.”

The diplomats’ efforts in seek Trump’s favor by staying in his hotel “looks like a gift,” Painter told ThinkProgress in an email, and thus is the very kind of favor the Constitution seeks to prevent.

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Trump poised to violate Constitution his first day in office, George W. Bush's ethics lawyer says (Original Post) highplainsdem Nov 2016 OP
There will be a need to hold continuous ethics hearings about Trumps actions. Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #1
Legitimate need, but no action. Martin Eden Nov 2016 #6
The ethics committee will need to follow him around rurallib Nov 2016 #24
He could never stand the test which Obama or the Clintons have. Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #26
Trump will be totally free to violate any Constitutional law he wants. Kablooie Nov 2016 #30
Perhaps he will get lots of voters out to the polls in the midterm, we were in the majority Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #35
true but his holdings will be with Ivanka and Trump Jrs so wordpix Nov 2016 #36
What!!!? But then, should we really be surprised?, JudyM Nov 2016 #2
Trump is going to do whatever he wants. If he can rub the nose of the law in it, stopbush Nov 2016 #3
And with no opposition he'll get to stack the courts and SCOTUS in his favor. Initech Nov 2016 #15
Yep bpositive Nov 2016 #19
That is insane. The hotel needs to be in a blind trust. SunSeeker Nov 2016 #4
dont even use that word. the best they could do is a chinese wall. mopinko Nov 2016 #13
I am stealing "cheeto sporkhands." rzemanfl Nov 2016 #17
i stole it from someone here. mopinko Nov 2016 #29
Then there will be no honor between us. rzemanfl Nov 2016 #33
'Trumps efforts to do business with these diplomats is at odds with a provision of the Constitution elleng Nov 2016 #5
That's only the first day. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #7
we're going to need an "outrage of the week" feature at DU 0rganism Nov 2016 #8
I don't want us to get outrage fatigue The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #10
Week? Lucinda Nov 2016 #11
which is why it needs to be filtered and prioritized 0rganism Nov 2016 #21
In fairness, he has no clue what the Constitution says, or moonscape Nov 2016 #12
With all the lawyers he's supposed to have, at least ONE of them should attempt to keep him out napi21 Nov 2016 #20
Sadly, I agree. n/t moonscape Nov 2016 #22
Trump doesn't care about the Constitution. NastyRiffraff Nov 2016 #9
Crooked Hillary geomon666 Nov 2016 #14
Dubyah had an ethics lawyer? rzemanfl Nov 2016 #16
Yes, huge problem Sunny05 Nov 2016 #18
I smell 2naSalit Nov 2016 #23
And we thought Cheney made money in the office. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #25
Maybe they'll use Henry Hyde's excuse DFW Nov 2016 #27
Bribery is an impeachable offense StatGirl Nov 2016 #28
When George DUBYA Bush's Ethics Advisor is Throwing Shade... kebob Nov 2016 #31
So this whole thing is just an advertisement after all. cbdo2007 Nov 2016 #32
So once he's president greymattermom Nov 2016 #34
right up to the Supremes with Don's pick of justices wordpix Nov 2016 #39
Hey, anybody else going to the inauguration in Jan? Ligyron Nov 2016 #37
the gun toters are what scares me - I would not go near wordpix Nov 2016 #40
At least this Irish legislator isn't going along! LongTomH Nov 2016 #38

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. There will be a need to hold continuous ethics hearings about Trumps actions.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:00 PM
Nov 2016

He needs to he held accountable for his actions and words.

Martin Eden

(12,864 posts)
6. Legitimate need, but no action.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:06 PM
Nov 2016

(unless the Republican-controlled Congress sees a chance to supplant Trump with Pence)

Kablooie

(18,632 posts)
30. Trump will be totally free to violate any Constitutional law he wants.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 02:23 AM
Nov 2016

He will be impeachment proof 100% because there's no way in hell the Republican House will ever impeach him.

They will allow him total powers of a dictator, completely ignoring the Constitution, because to do otherwise would jeopardize any Republican's re-election, not to mention to suffer the retaliation that Trump would exert.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
35. Perhaps he will get lots of voters out to the polls in the midterm, we were in the majority
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 03:23 PM
Nov 2016

before and we can be again.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
36. true but his holdings will be with Ivanka and Trump Jrs so
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 03:24 PM
Nov 2016

his "blind trust" protects him

Meanwhile, "Hillary for Jail" is a top priority

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
3. Trump is going to do whatever he wants. If he can rub the nose of the law in it,
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:03 PM
Nov 2016

all the better.

The R Congress and courts will do nothing to stop him, because as a minority party ruling over a majority that disagrees with them on just about everything, they know that breaking the law only benefits them.

bpositive

(423 posts)
19. Yep
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 08:26 PM
Nov 2016

What's the vacancy count on the lowe courts? How many seats were not filled in the last 8 years? Very scary.

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
13. dont even use that word. the best they could do is a chinese wall.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:43 PM
Nov 2016

one wall that cheeto sporkhands is not ready to build, and wouldnt honor anyway.

he cannot unknow his assets. he cannot be blind to skyscrapers. there is no executer on the planet that can hide the workings of the world from the president of the united states.

it just cant, legally, be done.

rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
17. I am stealing "cheeto sporkhands."
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:55 PM
Nov 2016

We live in a kleptocracy, so tough beans. I will reconsider if you PM me the copyright.

elleng

(130,895 posts)
5. 'Trumps efforts to do business with these diplomats is at odds with a provision of the Constitution
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:05 PM
Nov 2016

intended to prevent foreign states from effectively buying influence with federal officials.'

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
7. That's only the first day.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:16 PM
Nov 2016

Every day there will be another opportunity for him to use the Constitution as toilet paper.

0rganism

(23,944 posts)
8. we're going to need an "outrage of the week" feature at DU
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:30 PM
Nov 2016

the violations and outright lawbreaking are going to come fast and furious, probably more than 2 or 3 per day, and after a couple months of boring pseudo-hysterical media coverage, it will just become the "new normal". there needs to be some kind of compilation, a record that filters out the trivial bullshit from the truly illegal, and publishes commentary on the worst of these crimes frequently, but not daily.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
10. I don't want us to get outrage fatigue
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:34 PM
Nov 2016

with the result that we accept all this shit as normal. It's coming so fast and heavy right now that I'm afraid that's just what will happen, and then we're really in trouble.

0rganism

(23,944 posts)
21. which is why it needs to be filtered and prioritized
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 08:48 PM
Nov 2016

i don't know about you, but i can't really focus on various aspects of each stinker dropped by His Donaldness, and he's not even the president yet. there's no way our ADHD media can grasp, let alone convey understanding of, all these scandals as they occur: they'll end up chasing their tails. that may even be part of his strategy: do so much annoying crap that the real crimes can float by along with far-too-numerous instances of shameful and repulsive behavior.

to the extent a chronicle of his misdeeds is to have any value, there must be extended analysis of the most egregious of the Trump administration's actions, along with simple enumeration of more minor failures and general foolishness.

otherwise... "Squirrel!"

napi21

(45,806 posts)
20. With all the lawyers he's supposed to have, at least ONE of them should attempt to keep him out
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 08:28 PM
Nov 2016

of trouble. Of course, with all the law suits he's involved in, maybe THEY CAN'T convince him that there are things he CANNOT DO! TTheir job will be to make the trouble he gets in go away.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
9. Trump doesn't care about the Constitution.
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:32 PM
Nov 2016

I thought Dubya was bad when he said it was "just a piece of paper" (or words to that effect).

Sunny05

(865 posts)
18. Yes, huge problem
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 08:05 PM
Nov 2016

and more reason to call House Oversight Committee and your senators & reps, whether or not you think difference will be made. Worth trying, esp. if enough people call and pressure. Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 violation.

DFW

(54,369 posts)
27. Maybe they'll use Henry Hyde's excuse
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 10:30 PM
Nov 2016

While head of the House Judiciary Committee that led the impeachment of Bill Clinton for lying about adultery, it was revealed that pious Catholic Henry Hyde had been involved in an extra-marital affair of his own earlier.

Hyde said his affair was different, and chalked it up to "youthful indiscretions." The Inquisition, er, I mean, impeachment continued as if nothing in he way of hypocrisy had occurred.

Since Republicans will be running the show, and the one god any of them truly worships is money, I'm sure Trump could sell condos in the Trump Tower from a special Trump Real Estate office in the West Wing, and have a rack with brochures in the Oval Office. The Republican Congress wouldn't do a thing, and no one who voted for him would see anything wrong with it. Fox Noise would explain the legality of it all, get plenty of advertising revenue from Trump in return, and prosecution would be "off the table" when the next Democratic Congress takes office.

StatGirl

(518 posts)
28. Bribery is an impeachable offense
Sat Nov 19, 2016, 11:08 PM
Nov 2016

It's listed in the Constitution along with treason and "high crimes and misdemeanors".

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
34. So once he's president
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 10:28 AM
Nov 2016

can he have an army of private lawyers to defend him against acts that are unconstitutional? How does that even work?

Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
37. Hey, anybody else going to the inauguration in Jan?
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 04:30 PM
Nov 2016

I'm burying dozens of eggs now in the hot FL sand so they'll be good and ready.

Tomatoes haven't sprouted yet but they'll be ripe by then too.

I promise.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
40. the gun toters are what scares me - I would not go near
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 10:21 PM
Nov 2016

the Capitol, Nat'l Mall or back to the Wash Monument with all the crazies who will crowd in there

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