ACTIVE SHOOTER ALERT ISSUED AT OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY

[sufrommich]

Source: ABC

Ohio State University has issued an active shooter alert for its main campus in Columbus Monday.

The alert was sent out on social media, telling people to "run hide fight."


http://abc7ny.com/news/active-shooter-alert-issued-at-ohio-state-university/1628641/

Read more: http://abc7ny.com/news/active-shooter-alert-issued-at-ohio-state-university/1628641/

[Initech]

1. Just another day in gun country!

[oberliner]

32. Attacker did not use a gun

Drove into people and then stabbed with butcher knife.

[LisaM]

51. And (so far) none of the victims has died.

See how that works?

[AtheistCrusader]

55. And the perpetrator was, apparently, unable to acquire a firearm due to our laws.

So... the takeaway largely depends on your starting point worldview here.

[Initech]

63. So why was this classified as "active shooter"?

I think the media royally fucked up on this one.

[csziggy]

69. Bet people heard the shots when the cop shoot the assailant and reported them

So before authorities had confirmed what happened the "active shooter" alert was sent out.

From the report being given right now, the campus cop took out the attacker very quickly.

[oberliner]

78. I think that is the generic name for the campus alert system when there is a dangerous person

At least that is what it seems like to me.

[scscholar]

46. We will never have peace until we go door to door (ntxt)

[AtheistCrusader]

53. And collect all the automobiles and sharp objects? Because that's what was used here.

No firearms involved, save the first-responders.

[scscholar]

70. Maybe you missed the "ACTIVE SHOOTER" part of the title

All of the news outlets I checked are telling the truth about this being NRA-related.

[B2G]

71. He didn't have a gun. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

72. Check again. The attacker didn't have a gun at all.

Don't believe everything you read on CNN.

[Dr. Strange]

79. Really?

What news outlets are you reading?

[Ace Rothstein]

75. Which is never going to happen.

Gun control/restrictions are dead at this point.

[sarisataka]

81. What do you plan

To do when you go door to door?

[virgogal]

61. There was no gun---it's knife country,I guess.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

2. Possible suspect shot by OSU officer

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I don't know how to make these show up as images. Four minutes ago:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/803258137654403072

ETA, 11:33 a.m., another link, which might be outdated by this time:

https://twitter.com/OSU_EMFP/status/803252786158649344

[Botany]

3. 2 miles from where I am sitting

[jdadd]

93. I was on 71 southbound at 161

When two Columbus PD Cruisers whizzed past Me....Now I know Why....

[mac56]

4. Other countries call this "insanity."

We call it "Monday."

[kebob]

6. We Don't Like Mondays

Or Tuesdays, or Wednesdays, or.....

[FarPoint]

5. Report...

7 shot....one critical...at hospital

[riversedge]

7. One person had leg slashed with machete per msnbc just now.

[FarPoint]

24. I thank you for the update..

I'm in Dayton Ohio...was in car, heard it on radio. . Things happened very quickly... excellent response teams in Columbus...

[AtheistCrusader]

56. No one was shot except the asshole with the machete.

[FarPoint]

67. Yeah...

No gun...

[LisaL]

86. One female victim shot in a foot.

I presume a bystander.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/11/28/active-shooter.html

[billh58]

8. We obviously need

more guns on campus so that more people can experience gun violence, as this is an essential part of the complete life experience (in the USA) which should be offered by institutions of higher learning.

And if needed...

[sarisataka]

21. The only guns

Were in the hands of the police. So apparently gun control worked...

Yay?

[billh58]

23. The headline "Active Shooter"

would lead one to believe that a gun was involved, but I apologize heavily for impugning your precious.

[sarisataka]

26. Not impunged in the least

I focus on and am concerned about violence.

Speaking for myself, the various methods of inflicting violence are largely irrelevant. I do not view 9 stabbed as a victory because 'at least they weren't shot.'

[billh58]

27. The fact remains however,

that because a gun was NOT used, most of the victims will live.

[sarisataka]

30. That is an assumption

not a fact.

[billh58]

36. Tell that to the Sandy Hook parents,

or the Orlando relatives and friends. You Gungeoneers always preach that gunners should practice, practice, practice, shooting their precious in order to be more accurate and kill what they aim at.

Do you think that if knife wielders practiced more often their kill rate would go up?

[sarisataka]

41. Tell the Tutsi

That knives are no big deal

Paps far paps shooting accurately, that seems to be a good idea. Shouldn't a person hit what they aim at rather than spaying bullets all over the place?
Could you maybe link to some of this shoot to kill advice? The goal of any self defense is to stop the attack. Needlessly killing an assailant is wrong whether done by firearm or baseball bat.

[billh58]

42. Great answer!

And typical Gungeoneer response. I'm finished here, and you and your buddies can go celebrate your beautiful and great superiority and political win over we lesser beings. Only you gunners can save us from all the evil doers out there. All hail the gun!

[sarisataka]

44. Are you feeling OK?

Your post makes no sense for this thread. Who has said anything about saving anyone from evil or promoting guns?

The police did their job. That's fine by me. I would not expect an armed civilian to be present since most students are prohibited from carrying due to age restrictions. I have no wish to change that.

I would like to learn the motives of the perp to prevent future similar attacks not ignore it because it doesn't fit an agenda.

[billh58]

45. Of course you would. n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

59. There have, in fact, been high-casualty mass-knifings, though for various reasons, it's mostly

overseas.

So, careful what you wish for, I guess.

[billh58]

65. True, and mass murder is not

confined to only guns, but guns are much more efficient at killing large numbers of people as that is what they were designed for. In countries where guns are not so easily attainable, knives, machetes, swords, spears, etc. are used to kill and their users are proficient at their use through practice, hunting, and tradition.

Unfortunately, the USA is a society that is comfortable with solving problems at the end of a gun, and from a distance so that hand-to-hand combat is not the norm. The old saying, "don't bring a knife to a gun fight" is based on the fact that with a knife one needs to be close to the victim to inflict deadly harm, whereas a gun can do the job from several feet away.

Gun shot wounds are not always lethal, but are provably more lethal than almost any other hand-held weapon.

[LanternWaste]

54. It's a likely probability rather than an assumption, regardless of whether it fits into your narrati

It's a likely probability rather than an assumption (two wholly different concepts, once more accurate given the context of this conversation than the other), regardless of whether it fits into your narrative or not, and regardless of whether you allege to be concerned with violence...

[sarisataka]

82. Call it probability

or assumption, I will even agree as a broad generalization guns are more likely to inflict a lethal injury, it still is not a fact.

[AtheistCrusader]

57. The headline was a typical media error.

'A lie travels halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its pants on.'

[LisaL]

83. Policeman shot and killed the suspect. People heard shots.

[brooklynite]

9. Columbus Dispatch: 8 transported to hospital

- 1 in critical condition; 7 stable

- report from two sources that one of the suspects is dead.

@shangilchrist

[Va Lefty]

10. 27 years later and more relevant than ever

[Botany]

11. Helicopters over my house right now.

The shooter might be dead or holed up in a parking garage.

8 people are hurt.

Suspect is dead.

2 other people have been arrested

[Lucky Luciano]

12. Shooter is dead according to Bloomberg terminal. nt

[Yo_Mama]

25. Attacker without gun, it seems from news.

I expect that in a day or two things will be clearer.

[brooklynite]

13. UPDATE: Lockdown lifted. Students can move around. Classes cancelled for the rest of the day

[colsohlibgal]

14. Guns And More Guns

I am sure the NRA is readying their response now. If 5 year olds being shot in the face did not move them this sure won't.

It is madness. Again after a horrible incident in Australia they took action and took care of it. But since the NRA owns congress we just wait for the next horrible mass shooting.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

15. Ohio legislators who passed "open carry" laws made sure that...

... regular citizens still can't carry guns into government buildings where THEY work.

People can even carry guns into bars where folks get drunk. It's insane.

[AtheistCrusader]

60. The NRA doesn't spend any time or effort on machetes, to my knowledge.

[mackdaddy]

16. Current Preliminary Live Reports was Machete Attack, Not Gun attack

Current reports is someone pulled fire alarm to empty building.
Then drove a car into crowd outside building.
Got out of car with large Knife or Machete.

Attacker Shot by OSU Police.

Shelter in place has now been lifted. Classes canceled for day.

[sarisataka]

17. Just a knife

and car, no gun.

So now the following will happen:
-the story sinks like a stone
-the victims are forgotten
-one or two mumbles of 'it would have been worse if the perp used a gun'
-outrage at the violence on campus goes *poof*

For some reason only gun violence matters

[FBaggins]

18. That is the standard pattern... but it surprises me today

I expected the anxiety and speculation to revolve around whether we should hope that it isn't a "Muslim terrorist" or a student unhinged at the results of the election.

[B2G]

19. The dead purp is an African American

Dead thread.

[oberliner]

34. A Somali refugee

Not a US citizen I believe.

[Yo_Mama]

37. Legal resident, 18 year-old Somali refugee. FBI on it, because MO is like Daesh recs

And the ISIS crew has been advocating for this sort of thing, with definite success in Europe.

But maybe he's just a deranged engineering student. This is the edge when schizophrenia may manifest acutely.

[B2G]

39. Deranged will be the settled opinion here.

And bullied.
And self-radicalized.
And traumatized by the election.

I could go on and on...

[oberliner]

77. Abdul Razak Ali Artan, OSU student and Muslim

It does seem to be following the ISIS playbook (i.e. driving into people and then stabbing them).

[sarisataka]

43. That will make the RW

very happy

Others will try and justify his actions

[Ace Rothstein]

35. CBS saying it was a Somali refugee.

[LanternWaste]

58. By all means, continue your righteous narrative.

Not if your visceral desires have anything to do with it...! After this election, it's very important to many people that African Americans are loudly blamed. By all means, continue your righteous narrative, and rationalize it as something other than what it in fact (if not admission), it is.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

20. I slightly wondered if it could be an angry Woverines fan...

... like this guy who needed a chill pill:

It was probably some local kook, though.

[annarbor]

95. This Michigan Dem is Truly Worried About Our Buckeye Family

Sports is one thing, but this is serious. Lots of Michigan fans worried about our OSU friends and family. Worried sick and not concerned about our petty rivalry. Proof that this can happen anywhere and at any time. No one was expecting THIS after the celebratory weekend. Our thoughts are truly with you OSU. Stay strong!

[Buckeye_Democrat]

99. Thanks.

I think most OSU and UM fans are pretty civil to each other despite their long rivalry over a game that, let's face it, doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things.

The attacker was a local like I mostly suspected anyway. His family was from Somalia. There was a fairly large number of Somali immigrants who moved to that neighborhood during the Dumbya administration according to several people who live near there.

[Bradical79]

28. CNN mentioned possible terrorism motive

I didn't see it mentioned in the local report I was watching, or the press conference, but I missed some coverage. Doesn't fit what I heard the police chief and other officials saying though.

[Yo_Mama]

38. Yes, it does, because these are methods ISIS has been advocating

for "lone-wolf" attacks. The Feds were apparently immediately involved in the investigation.

[B2G]

40. But Lone Wolf attacks aren't real or serious,

and aren't really terrorism events!

Even though the perps are doing exactly what ISIS called for them to do.

This place makes me crazy sometimes.

[jonno99]

47. 1 nt

[Yo_Mama]

52. My feeling is that if someone is attacked, it's serious.

I know what you mean about the response. Trying to pretend this isn't happening is not helping.

There have been a number of machete/knife attacks in Europe.

I think ISIS appeals to the mentally ill, but I don't think all of the responders are mentally ill. Some are just fanatics, like the Boston Bomber duo.

[sarisataka]

102. Well I was mostly correct

-the story sinks like a stone *check* GD threads plummeted with the last one getting no replies at all. A check of news websites doesn't have the story in the top ten

-the victims are forgotten *check* we know bupkis about who the people stabbed or run over, but see below

-one or two mumbles of 'it would have been worse if the perp used a gun' *check* merely peruse the replies here

-outrage at the violence on campus goes *poof* *check* after an initial burst of outrage, the number of fucks given about an attack on a college campus resulting in mass casualties declined to a whole number less than one.


I did make one error in assuming the people taken to the hospital were the victims. No, the "Muslim terrorist" you mentioned (who may actually be inspired by terrorists, if not actually directly connected to them) was the victim. His fear of how people react to his faith (brought to a head by the election) and that they may unjustly consider him a terrorist, left him no option but to act like a terrorist...
But do you suppose he would still be the victim if he chose to use a different weapon to act out in the face of his fears?

[AtheistCrusader]

106. Kick.

Of course, no one will address any of these points.

[Duckhunter935]

29. About right

[Hoyt]

62. Hell, I thought you gunners were the first to tell us when 20 kids get shot in the head that there

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are not many gun killings in comparison to all the nuts that own/covet them. Basically, it's just the price we have to pay so you guys can walk around with a gun or two strapped to your body.

You guys are the only ones fighting to promote more guns in more places, minimize the tragedies they enable, protect people like george zimmerman, applaud white wing gun organizations like the NRA and other similar groups, etc.

And, yes, it's a darn good thing this guy wasn't armed like the typical gun fancier that posts here.

[sarisataka]

85. You gunners?

I thought it was the 'gunners' who started with personal attacks.

I don't ever recall promoting more guns anywhere or supporting the nra etc.

I do recall our Gun Control Activism group telling us gun control was the most important issue this election. Two Republican Senators were even endorsed over Democrats. IIRC the line was- vote single issue over party for a cycle or two, it's worth it. Republicans control the Senate still; was it worth it?

[Hoyt]

90. Oh, I guess 2nd Amendment worship group being listed as your favorite group here is due to the Hack.

[sarisataka]

91. Do you have a point?

I may be wrong but I think some gcra hosts have the same favorite group with a greater percentage of posts.

At least I did not see any support for Republicans in that group. It appears that "2nd Amendment worship" is secondary to supporting Democrats.

[billh58]

94. Plus 100! n/t

[Baclava]

22. Suspect killed, 10 hospitalized after campus attack

The university released a statement after the attack.

"A suspect has been shot and reported deceased," the university said. "Victim injuries include stab wounds, injury by motor vehicle and other injuries that are being evaluated."

It's possible the gunshots heard were those of police trying to stop the attacker, a federal law enforcement official said.

Investigators believe the assailant also used a car at the beginning of the attack, and the entire attack happened outside.

"He pulled a large knife and started chasing people around, trying to attack them"

"Luckily there were so many people, he couldn't focus on one target. I didn't see anyone get stabbed, but I saw the police officer take down the stabber. He waited till everyone was clear, and the stabber clearly wasn't stopping. (It) took three shots to take him down. (The) stabber had a crazy look in his eyes."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/us/ohi....html?adkey=bn

[ck4829]

31. I was in that exact area right before it happened

Luck, something else, I don't know...

[jonno99]

49. Just wow - that's scary. Glad you're ok...nt

[Judi Lynn]

80. That would be unnerving as hell to realize. It's so lucky you didn't linger there. n/t

[oberliner]

33. Attacker was a Somali refugee

According to most recent reports.

[NickB79]

48. Somewhat similar to the stabbing spree up here in the St. Cloud, MN mall this fall

http://www.startribune.com/police-new-information-being-released-about-st-cloud-mall-stabbings/396168391/

Young Somali man here as well. Very sad.

[brooklynite]

50. UPDATE: Suspect hit three people with car, got out and started attacking

At least nine people were injured Monday when a man drove into a crowd of students at Ohio State University and then emerged from his vehicle to attack bystanders with a butcher knife, officials said.

The unidentified attacker was shot and killed by a university police officer who was on the scene within a minute, campus Police Chief Craig Stone said at a news conference.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-ohio-state-shooter-alert-20161128-story.html

[Abouttime]

64. We can thank our idiot president elect

No doubt trumps hateful rhetoric and threats of internment camps has driven some of these kids over the edge.
It's a terrible tragedy but don't be surprised when more of these children are driven to carry out suicidal attacks.
They come here as refugees from war torn regions as traumatized children knowing nothing but hunger and war. They have hope in the USA because we have a president who looks like them and has an African name. Then one day that President must leave office and the fascists and racists who hate people like them put the next Hitler into the Presidency. An evil man who promises to deport or jail their family, even their mother or grandmother, or little sister into an internment camp, maybe they've heard of Hitler, the final solution.
Maybe these kids are doing what comes naturally, acting out, lashing out to protect their families and people.
It's horrible, and it's wrong, and it's tragic for the victims and their families and the entire OSU family and Colombus Ohio.
Tragedies like this happen because of hate and fear and the man inciting hate and fear is Donald trump!

[B2G]

68. What was your excuse for them when Obama was in office?

Really curious.

[xor]

96. Pretty sure that's a parody comment.

Purposely constructed to be easily picked apart.

Then again, it can be hard to tell sometimes.

[B2G]

98. Maybe you haven't kept up with this kind of attack

It's happened quite frequently over the last 8 years.

Want a list? I can put one together for you in my spare time.

[christx30]

73. And then people like Trump point to this guy

as a reason for more hate and fear.
This is way not helpful.

[Yo_Mama]

74. Wahabi violence began in the 1700s, and was active in the US & EU long before Trump

Also, no matter how deeply someone objects to Trump's election, it is not going to make them go out and slaughter random people for any reason.

Trump's election may have been somewhat prompted by Muslim-fanatic-Wahabi terrorism, but trying to blame Trump for a violent ideology that has been violent since its origination IN THE 1700s is crazy as all get out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

Unless you believe in time travel. Which is your right, but doesn't make anyone find you credible.

[xor]

97. gr8 b8 m8, I r8 8/8

[hrmjustin]

66. Look like he was possibly ISIS inspired.

[bettyellen]

76. A student at the school- poor grades or unrequited affection?

[LisaL]

84. Neither.

[bettyellen]

87. Why do you say that? I feel like lack of success is often a root cause-

Especially when they shoot us a place where they belonged. I doubt that people have had time to delve into how he'd be doing lately.

[LisaL]

88. Why do I say that?

"The top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee says the attack at Ohio State "bears all of the hallmarks of a terror attack carried out by someone who may have been self-radicalized.""

http://www.wkow.com/story/33805802/the-latest-rep-schiff-says-osu-attack-has-terror-hallmarks

[AtheistCrusader]

101. That's a narrative people like to latch on to. Turns out it's not really relevant.

Remember Columbine? How the two shooters were supposedly teased and maligned by their fellow students, and then they attacked?

Nope. Not a social treatment/revenge thing at all. One was a manic depressive, and the other a clinical psychotic, and they wanted to 'terrify the world'.

The FBI finally released some 400 pages of their psyche eval, some 15 years after the 'teased, black trench coat brigade' story had run its course and falsely become part of the narrative.

[bettyellen]

103. Well I'm thinking mental illness is always part of the story -

Not always severe enough to be cited as a main cause. And often that coexists with a lack of success at school/ job and not having a relationship or losing one.
The Boston bomber was very angry at not achieving enough in the boxing ring and was an abusive husband. The one in California was vet ill and it manifested itself as anger at women because he did poorly socially. At college there is a ton of pressure to fit in and achieve certain things. Later in life too many men handle job and or relationship loss by becoming Violent. They don't all snap and kill a bunch of people, but it happens often enough that it is a thing.

[AtheistCrusader]

104. Most definitely.

And I think medical privacy plays a part into why we don't hear the why/how in most cases. So the media goes and starts making up narratives to fill air time. Very sad.

Meanwhile, when they do get around to 'mental illness' as a category, they make such over-arching broad statements that it ends up smearing everyone with any sort of mental illness, as somehow dangerous. When in reality, people with mental illnesses are MORE likely to be victims of violence, than perpetrators.

[bettyellen]

105. Yeah, the ignorance and fear around it is astounding. One of my favorite things about Obama care was

That it elevated or promoted mental health care as being equally important. I have a feeling that is going to be one of the first things that goes.

[Sunlei]

100. No, he got his associates degree at community college /w good gpa & was at this college for more.

In his rant on facebook, he mentioned the medias Muslim hate and said he, 'couldn't take it anymore'

[MyNameGoesHere]

89. Well the gunzagain crowd won the day

Now they can point out with the authority of 1 incident that gunzbesafe.

[billh58]

92. Plus 100! n/t