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Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:20 AM Dec 2016

Trump considers naming FDA chief who would radically overhaul the agency

Source: StatNews

President-elect Donald Trump is weighing naming as Food and Drug Administration commissioner a staunch libertarian who has called for eliminating the agency’s mandate to determine whether new medicines are effective before approving them for sale.

“Let people start using them, at their own risk,” the candidate, Jim O’Neill, said in a 2014 speech to a biotech group.

O’Neill has also called for paying organ donors and setting up libertarian societies at sea — and has said he was surprised to discover that FDA regulators actually enjoy science and like working to fight disease.

A source close to the Trump transition team told STAT that Peter Thiel, the billionaire Trump donor who is helping shape the new administration, is pushing for the FDA appointment for O’Neill, his managing director at Mithril Capital Management.

Read more: https://www.statnews.com/2016/12/07/trump-fda-oneill/



This is fucking INSANE. This person, and Trump, need to be stopped.

Goddamn it.

Best I can tell, this is a legit source, a publication that reports on drug and medical news.
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Trump considers naming FDA chief who would radically overhaul the agency (Original Post) Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 OP
Is Trump HuskyOffset Dec 2016 #1
I think it's on purpose. potone Dec 2016 #12
Maybe he's trying to scare the living hell out of everyone ... Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #18
Do you really think the electors are paying attention? milestogo Dec 2016 #23
I hope they are. potone Dec 2016 #24
One has spoken on the EC, to the NYT Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #29
Absolutely they are. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #48
CHARLES KOCH is pulling the strings for these Hortensis Dec 2016 #31
He is a bottomless pit of greed. milestogo Dec 2016 #49
Oh, I think lust for power also has to be huge. Hortensis Dec 2016 #50
Was Martin Shkreli otherwise engaged? femmocrat Dec 2016 #2
Bloomberg had the story yesterday SoCalNative Dec 2016 #3
Should make killing people easier. theaocp Dec 2016 #4
Coming from a "snake oil" salesman elect... Freethinker65 Dec 2016 #5
of course....why not.... dhill926 Dec 2016 #6
The Shock Doctrine Danascot Dec 2016 #47
Taking America back to the dark ages randr Dec 2016 #7
We're all Guinea Pigs now bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #8
Why not go full libertarian? C_U_L8R Dec 2016 #9
I wonder if he's at least pro-marijuana? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #14
good idea, ingest whatever snake oil is given at whatever price wordpix Dec 2016 #10
Yup. Looks like another good pick, Donnie. summerschild Dec 2016 #11
Walking Dead Bayard Dec 2016 #13
Haha... yes Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #15
meanwhile, it's ka-ching!!! for the drug companies and and wall st Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #16
All of these picks have got to be ridiculously bad on purpose. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #17
I was wondering the same exact thing this morning. It's like a silent cry for help. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #38
trump is the poster child for disaster capitalism. Javaman Dec 2016 #19
Consequences Thrill Dec 2016 #20
Hello? 21st Century Cures Act HockeyMom Dec 2016 #21
Thanks HockeyMom. I think you found the Ilsa Dec 2016 #27
Hmmm, I think most senators would have a very hard time voting no against that Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #39
Trump hasn't drained the swamp - he's enlarged it, to hold everything from Monster Island muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #22
Republicans love this. trump may never make it to 1/20 but Republicans cracked Americas nuts already Sunlei Dec 2016 #25
The truly disgusting fact is that 50% of 'Mericans now approve of this asswipes performance as the FreeStateDemocrat Dec 2016 #26
Responsible doctors would not prescribe drugs that have not been through an approval process. milestogo Dec 2016 #28
Fast tracking approval by the FDA HockeyMom Dec 2016 #32
Will majority of doctors bother to do their own research on the trials? I strongly doubt it. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #37
Doctors who care about their patients will care very much milestogo Dec 2016 #40
How long testing done? HockeyMom Dec 2016 #42
Usually a lawyer will try to find multiple plaintiffs and sue milestogo Dec 2016 #43
Their pharma sales reps will let them know how great the new drug is at lunch lunasun Dec 2016 #34
Exactly. How many doctors will take time to research on their own? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #36
A doctor now days needs all kinds of support just to practice or has very limited patients lunasun Dec 2016 #41
Don't know if any person can radically change the FDA which has been set up with guidelines set.... dmosh42 Dec 2016 #30
I agree that it won't be so easy to change things as he might like, but man, could these people Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #35
Well he is perfect because he has No medical experience whatever . Shows trump is a rebel hero lunasun Dec 2016 #33
so rtracey Dec 2016 #44
Isn't he the guy who thinks people can reverse aging and live forever? Vinca Dec 2016 #45
LOL! Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #46

potone

(1,701 posts)
12. I think it's on purpose.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 12:32 PM
Dec 2016

Every time I think it can't get worse, it does. And he hasn't even been inaugurated yet. God help us all!

Aimee in OKC

(158 posts)
18. Maybe he's trying to scare the living hell out of everyone ...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:03 PM
Dec 2016

a. Including the electors ... so they can bail him out of a job he was surprised to 'win' and doesn't want.

b. So when the in-place Federal workers scramble to rein back the illegal excesses of their new bosses, the USA relaxes with an "Oh, guess this isn't going to be so bad after all" ... but it really is, just not by comparison.

c. Appointing all the worst, horrid examples in the first go-round as payoffs will allow them to get those positions onto their resumes, and as they move on, will have numbed us to the second batch of deplorables (see 'b' above.).

d. So the expectation of WWIII keeps the world on edge, and his people/GOP/Putin can manipulate everyone as they please.

e. With all of the above ... and more.

Aimee in OKC

(158 posts)
29. One has spoken on the EC, to the NYT
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:58 PM
Dec 2016

"Why I Will Not Cast My Electoral Vote for Donald Trump"
By CHRISTOPHER SUPRUN DEC. 5, 2016

"DALLAS — I am a Republican presidential elector, one of the 538 people asked to choose officially the president of the United States. Since the election, people have asked me to change my vote based on policy disagreements with Donald J. Trump. In some cases, they cite the popular vote difference. I do not think presidents-elect should be disqualified for policy disagreements. I do not think they should be disqualified because they won the Electoral College instead of the popular vote. However, now I am asked to cast a vote on Dec. 19 for someone who shows daily he is not qualified for the office.

Fifteen years ago, as a firefighter, I was part of the response to the Sept. 11 attacks against our nation. That attack and this year’s election may seem unrelated, but for me the relationship becomes clearer every day."
{ ... snip ...}

"The United States was set up as a republic. Alexander Hamilton provided a blueprint for states’ votes. Federalist 68 argued that an Electoral College should determine if candidates are qualified, not engaged in demagogy, and independent from foreign influence. Mr. Trump shows us again and again that he does not meet these standards. Given his own public statements, it isn’t clear how the Electoral College can ignore these issues, and so it should reject him."


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html?_r=0

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. CHARLES KOCH is pulling the strings for these
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:26 PM
Dec 2016

domestic appointments. The idea is to destroy almost all federal government agencies. Koch believes the only legitimate functions of government are protection of person and property, and he added one in later--protection against fraud. Apparently that last can also bother billionaires.

No education department because NO public, taxpayer-supported education.
No EPA because it gets in the way of profiteering.
No FDA because the letting the free market sort poisons from medicines, etc., works better.
VA - Privatized to "free" all those huge potential profits inaccessible now.
HHS - Open all medicine to free market exploitation by destroying all government programs.
Etc.
Etc.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. Oh, I think lust for power also has to be huge.
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 12:54 PM
Dec 2016

He takes great satisfaction in being able to freely break the laws We the People try to constrain him with, and we know he's been working for 40 years and more to dismantle our form of government that empowers us over him. People have died as a result of his flouting of safety regulations, he's engaged in massive thefts, and he's not only never been brought to account, using corrupt politicans to escape justice, but there's never been any indication of the slightest remorse. To the contrary.

I don't exactly buy the libertarian view of ordinary people, including his own employees, as parasites who weaken and sicken society, greedy undeserving takers from the deserving few, but when you consider how stupid and feckless the electorate has been, I don't feel his contempt is entirely unjustified. It's mutual, though. The man belongs in a cage.

theaocp

(4,236 posts)
4. Should make killing people easier.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:43 AM
Dec 2016

All you need is an unapproved whatever-the-fuck chemical and call the death "unwise use of a medicine" or some such rot. Like the OP said, this is fucking INSANE.

dhill926

(16,337 posts)
6. of course....why not....
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:53 AM
Dec 2016

maybe folks will wake up when they're dying in the fucking streets....shaping up as a chaos administration which is probably what the fuckers want. then swoop in and get richer...

bucolic_frolic

(43,147 posts)
8. We're all Guinea Pigs now
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:57 AM
Dec 2016

all that's needed is an executive order to take the medicine per your
doctor's diagnosis - or go to jail and lose your benefits

Can't wait too for negative interest rates, confiscatory policy for sure

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
10. good idea, ingest whatever snake oil is given at whatever price
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 12:16 PM
Dec 2016


And spread poisons everywhere on our agricultural lands, even more than is already applied! Yippee! That's what ending regs is all about.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
17. All of these picks have got to be ridiculously bad on purpose.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:02 PM
Dec 2016

There seems to be a unique irony with respect to every single suggested appointment. It's like he's trying to be as oppositional as possible. It's making me wonder if he's doing it deliberately to scare the shit out of the EC in hopes they will vote for Hillary and get him out of the mess he created for himself by running in the first place.

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
20. Consequences
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:11 PM
Dec 2016

Think about that next time you're a Democrat that votes for these hateful people. Think about that the next time you think it's clever to vote third party or leave your presidential pick blank
 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
21. Hello? 21st Century Cures Act
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:18 PM
Dec 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/12/07/congress-passes-21st-century-cures-act-boosting-research-and-easing-drug-approvals/?utm_term=.c7c755d4390e

Fasting tracking new "cures", drugs, and vaccines. FDA just becomes a puppet of Big Pharms to rush their new products onto the market as fast as possible.

Both Sanders and Warren were against this, but it got "bi-partisan" support. Of course, Republicans would support this. More money to Corporations.
 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
39. Hmmm, I think most senators would have a very hard time voting no against that
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:58 PM
Dec 2016

there's a lot of enticing stuff in there, including extra NIH money

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
22. Trump hasn't drained the swamp - he's enlarged it, to hold everything from Monster Island
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:24 PM
Dec 2016

that he's importing. His picks are either generals (the most sane of which is technically not eligible since he hasn't been out of the military long enough), or rapacious business owners dedicated to destroying the agency they'll head. (Or an Attorney General currently suing the agency he'll head).

 

FreeStateDemocrat

(2,654 posts)
26. The truly disgusting fact is that 50% of 'Mericans now approve of this asswipes performance as the
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:49 PM
Dec 2016

designated Supreme Leader. The thing I regret most is that I wasn't greedy enough when I was working to be in position now to move out of this country and renounce my US citizenship. Tina knew what she was doing when she became a Swiss citizen and blew off the aberration called the USA a.k.a. the Fifth Reich.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
28. Responsible doctors would not prescribe drugs that have not been through an approval process.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:57 PM
Dec 2016

Or are we bypassing the need for a prescription altogether?

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
32. Fast tracking approval by the FDA
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:30 PM
Dec 2016

Doctors will see FDA Approved and give scripts. Unless of course, they follow the trials and see how long it took for FDA approval. Do you think the majority of doctors will bother to do their own research on the trials and approval process?

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
40. Doctors who care about their patients will care very much
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:02 PM
Dec 2016

whether they are giving something that has been tested and approved rather than something that is potentially harmful... I believe that is true of most doctors.

If a doctor prescribes something that does harm to the patient, isn't the doctor still going to be held liable?

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
42. How long testing done?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:49 PM
Dec 2016

and subsequent FDA approval? Perhaps some doctors will question this, but the majority? I can tell you that when the Chicken Pox vaccine was first approved, my daughters Pediatrician was not satisfied with that alone. He told me that he wanted to wait before giving it until he saw what the actual mass results were. He probably was the exception to the rule.

Another case in point. My daughter had spinal surgery in 2010 and a disk was implanted in her spine. Worse problems ever since. In 2012 the device was recalled by the manufacturer for falling apart and calcium growths. Many people are now confirmed to wheelchairs. Off the market for the future, but what about those who already have the device? Sue WHO? Certainly not the surgeons who implanted it. They trusted the manufacturer and their clinical trials. Does the manufacturer get off scott free just by recalling their device?

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
43. Usually a lawyer will try to find multiple plaintiffs and sue
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:00 PM
Dec 2016

everyone in sight - doctor, hospital, device manufacturer or pharmaceutical company... and then it gets sorted out in court.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
34. Their pharma sales reps will let them know how great the new drug is at lunch
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:50 PM
Dec 2016

Doctors aren't trying to be irresponsible , but where can they get new drug information from ?

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
41. A doctor now days needs all kinds of support just to practice or has very limited patients
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:28 PM
Dec 2016

They simply don't have the time and even in med universities their limited pharmacology training has drug company input. They have to rely on the industry and FDA ruling and even when in the hospital a doctor may not have choices as the hospitals health supply is aligned with one pharma company over another

And if they somehow did learn of an individual who saw many patients with side effects
why would they believe a single physician or group who did whistle blow about side effects if they don't have standard trials behind them to prove it was the drug not other factors?
Of course doctors would all eventually start seeing a trend in side effects if bad enough and speak out in number along with patients harmed, but how long does that take? Look at vioxx
And this is now so just imagine

dmosh42

(2,217 posts)
30. Don't know if any person can radically change the FDA which has been set up with guidelines set....
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:06 PM
Dec 2016

up by legislation and is renewed each year. I remember a ND senator(Dorgan) tried to allow imported
prescription drugs, but the bill was killed by a poison pill amendment approved by the senate, many who were well paid by big pharma. So Comrade Drumpf still will learn how difficult it is to just do as he desires.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
35. I agree that it won't be so easy to change things as he might like, but man, could these people
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:53 PM
Dec 2016

set us backwards.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
33. Well he is perfect because he has No medical experience whatever . Shows trump is a rebel hero
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:42 PM
Dec 2016

for the real people or some insane tweekhead crap

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
44. so
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:26 PM
Dec 2016

So ok and yes, 4 years is a long time and damage can be done, but remember.... we vote for president in 4 years, new congress in 2...lets remember ALL OF THIS NOW.....

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
45. Isn't he the guy who thinks people can reverse aging and live forever?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:35 PM
Dec 2016

I hope Trump saves a spot for the "Sham Wow" guy.

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