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Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:09 PM Dec 2016

Holocaust attorney sues FBI over election interference that could lead to impeachment of Trump

Source: David Edwards - 8 Dec 2016 - rawstory.com

E. Randol Schoenberg, an attorney renowned for recovering artworks stolen by Nazis during the Holocaust, filed a lawsuit against the FBI this week to get answers about why Director James Comey falsely suggested that Hillary Clinton committed a crime just days before the 2016 election.

“I filed a lawsuit today against the US Department of Justice seeking immediate disclosure of the FBI search warrant for the e-mails of Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin on Anthony Weiner’s laptop,” Schoenberg wrote on his Facebook page on Wednesday. “I think we need to see what ‘probable cause’ was shown for obtaining the search warrant, because whoever thought there was going to be evidence of a crime was obviously mistaken. And that mistake probably changed the outcome of the election.”

In a blog post late last month, Schoenberg explained that it would be very unusual for a judge to grant the FBI a search warrant “[s]imply because someone has the ability to commit the crime of intentionally violating laws governing the handling of classified information.”

“To obtain a warrant it had to establish probable cause to believe that evidence of a crime would be found. Since we now know that no such evidence was found on the laptop, it is time to investigate why the FBI believed it had probable cause.”

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/holocaust-attorney-sues-fbi-over-election-interference-that-could-lead-to-impeachment-of-trump/



Rigging elections is a perfect crime if nothing can be done about it.



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Holocaust attorney sues FBI over election interference that could lead to impeachment of Trump (Original Post) Coyotl Dec 2016 OP
It'll probably go nowhere, BUT.... Rorey Dec 2016 #1
a decades long vendetta against someone who has worked tirelessly all her life... ffr Dec 2016 #14
two years. dems must win at least one house in 2018 certainot Dec 2016 #34
We must fight to get our democracy back on every level Mountain Mule Dec 2016 #15
Starting locally IS key to that effort... Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #41
Here's "ALICE", blended with 3 other organizations Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #42
Impeachment fantasies. HassleCat Dec 2016 #2
Know this MFM008 Dec 2016 #8
Yes, it's good to keep chipping. HassleCat Dec 2016 #18
But just in case......... lastlib Dec 2016 #24
But don't present them as such. HassleCat Dec 2016 #30
Impeached??!! Hell, they'd probably give him COLGATE4 Dec 2016 #29
Thank you, HassleCat SCantiGOP Dec 2016 #32
H could join with Russia in their invasion of France and not get impeached. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #35
If he gets impeached... sfwriter Dec 2016 #38
Good! Fox has this as "L.A.-based Lawyer sues FBI..." Hortensis Dec 2016 #3
this nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #4
Gotta say. you're right on. byronius Dec 2016 #7
"He might be executed", As far as I'm concerned... Stellar Dec 2016 #33
If and when Trump is impeached bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #5
It's not enough to just be impeached.... SticksnStones Dec 2016 #6
Not an aggrieved party ... the lawsuit will be thrown out flying-skeleton Dec 2016 #9
There are 65,527,625 aggrieved parties and still counting. Coyotl Dec 2016 #10
It would be if all members of DU could chip in and file such a suit. pennylane100 Dec 2016 #11
They will say comey didn't have an effect on the election because Hillary won the popular vote yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #12
That's not how they determined a search warrant was needed. Coyotl Dec 2016 #13
And she did... TomVilmer Dec 2016 #19
There's more than one race. LisaM Dec 2016 #28
Do call all the voters TomVilmer Dec 2016 #31
No, guaranteed that YOU throw it out there--which you just did. Kingofalldems Dec 2016 #23
Also did it ever occur to you she would have gotten even more votes Kingofalldems Dec 2016 #36
I just hope Comey, trump, et al are up to their eyeballs in legal fees Ilsa Dec 2016 #16
The federal government has to give permission BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #17
Great. Then we'll have President Pence. That might be worse. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #20
We already have President Pence wryter2000 Dec 2016 #21
Hope Giuliani is forced to disclose the source of the leaks he went around propagating re: this. nt Tanuki Dec 2016 #22
we live in a cartoon democracy. nt Javaman Dec 2016 #25
I would rather find a way to invalidate the election results then to impeach the asshole. LiberalFighter Dec 2016 #26
I agree that Dumbass Donny Tic-Tax MontanaMama Dec 2016 #27
What Holocaust? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2016 #37
An excellent idea. CanonRay Dec 2016 #39
There's plenty of evidence. That indicts the GOPeee as a whole! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #40

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
1. It'll probably go nowhere, BUT....
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:15 PM
Dec 2016

At least there's an effort, as opposed to the analyzing by many of why we "lost". We didn't lose. The reason we didn't win is Comey, Wikileaks (a whole lotta nothing), fake news, and a decades long vendetta against someone who has worked tirelessly all her life for the good of the country.

ffr

(22,681 posts)
14. a decades long vendetta against someone who has worked tirelessly all her life...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:08 PM
Dec 2016

I saw analogies before the election of this being similar to a high school class president election, where there was the scholar with a proven record of years of service building coalitions, bring people together for everyone's betterment. The opponent was the class clown that had never done anything for anyone else but himself, was a loner and was basically running for office as a joke.

I cannot contemplate how our country will dig out of this error in four years, if the World as we know it doesn't end by then.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
15. We must fight to get our democracy back on every level
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:21 PM
Dec 2016

This is inspiring news! All of us must fight becoming peasants under Trump's dictatorship. Even a single candle held up against the dark can make a difference. I live in far SW Colorado right next to the tribal lands of the Ute Mountain Utes. I just now got the news that my county must now print voter ballots in the Ute Language, as well as English. Score one for our side! Now the local Dems. self included, must go to the Utes, spend time talking and winning at least some trust, and maybe, just maybe my rural Colorado county will go from red to blue in the next election (assuming we have one). Don't give up hope. Fight back as hard as you can!

Aimee in OKC

(158 posts)
41. Starting locally IS key to that effort...
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 01:51 PM
Dec 2016

Snips from a 2014 article about an enemy, ALEC and a possible new ally ALICE:

"ALEC Could Be Coming to Your City Soon: The American City County Exchange

On Wednesday, ALEC announced the launch of a new offshoot that will apply ALEC’s modus operandi of courting legislators with corporate lobbyists to draft model bills advancing corporate interests – to the local level.

This new arm of ALEC, the American City County Exchange (ACCE), held its first meeting last Wednesday at the Hilton Anatole. ACCE will work in conjunction with ALEC to influence elected representatives in city and county council positions, while ALEC focuses on state legislatures.

... workshop scheduled for Thursday is called: “Releasing Local Governments from the Grip of Collective Bargaining.”

* * *
A progressive ALEC could be in the birthing stages with the announcement of a merger of the American Legislative and Issue Campaign Exchange (ALICE) and the Progressive States Network.

* * *
ALEC played a role in founding the State Policy Network (SPN) . . . that includes affiliated think tanks and trade associations in every state, as well as national members such as the Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity and the Cato Institute.

. . . they coordinate to support ALEC’s conservative agenda to promote the privatization of the public sector, to attack renewable energy policies, public employee unions and policies ALEC opposes.

. . .the think tanks and organizations involved in SPN are overwhelmingly funded through dark money groups and that some of these organizations disseminate faux news backed anonymously by corporate interests. "


http://billmoyers.com/2014/08/04/amid-protests-alec-launches-new-spinoff-to-influence-local-governments/

Aimee in OKC

(158 posts)
42. Here's "ALICE", blended with 3 other organizations
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 05:58 PM
Dec 2016

The "State Innovation Exchange" = SiX

"What resources does SiX offer?

First and foremost, SiX works to ensure that state legislators have the support they need to advance and defend progressive policies on the issues that matter – from equal pay, climate change, and election reform to paid sick leave, wage theft prevention, and predatory lending. For additional information and resources on any of our core policy priorities, feel free to visit our issues section.

SiX’s signature Policy Playbooks – formerly known as Campaigns in a Box – are carefully researched and regularly updated toolkits that we have compiled with input from state and national advocates, organizers, and leading policy experts from across the country. Each Playbook is designed to bring legislators up to speed on a given issue, with a full menu of policy solutions, legislative language, communications and messaging guidance, and resources from local, state, and national organizations with expertise on the subject matter. ... . "

* * *
'Toolkits', a legislative library, annual convention of state legislators, caucus visits, legislator trainings, bill trackings, conference calls & recordings of webinars ... .


https://stateinnovation.org/faqs/

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
2. Impeachment fantasies.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:17 PM
Dec 2016

Can we please stop this? There is not going to be any impeachment. Trump could sodomize and murder an eight year old boy in the capitol rotunda, and not be impeached.

MFM008

(19,834 posts)
8. Know this
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:48 PM
Dec 2016

Things like this eat away at the maggot. Galls him.
Stresses him out.......setting him up for the big one.
And I don't mean earthquake......

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
18. Yes, it's good to keep chipping.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:31 PM
Dec 2016

We should be looking at congress in 2018. Let's focus on that and realize impeachment is not a possibility.

lastlib

(23,376 posts)
24. But just in case.........
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:13 PM
Dec 2016

...Let's keep our eyes open for impeachable offenses......

Little Donny is so arrogant that he thinks he is impervious to being accused of any wrong-doing. It could be his downfall. Remember Orion. In Greek mythology, Orion the Hunter boasted that the greatest beast could not defeat him. Zeus sent the scorpion to sting him to death; he was defeated, not by the strongest of beasts, but by one of the smallest. He was then placed in the sky to show all the result of his arrogance.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
30. But don't present them as such.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:39 PM
Dec 2016

Let's say he does something unthinkable, such as lying about oral sex. It is counterproductive to present this as a reason to impeach him. The more we scream "Impeach him! IMPEACH HIM!" the more the voters will see it as a partisan vendetta. We need to concentrate on the substantive things, his broken promises, his foreign policy failures, his gutting of workplace safety and environmental regulation. His game is personalities, and we just found out we can't win his game. We can't level the plying field, so we need to play soccer instead of rugby, or something like that.

SCantiGOP

(13,878 posts)
32. Thank you, HassleCat
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:50 PM
Dec 2016

There is nothing in this story that would lead to a conclusion that this story could lead to Trump's impeachment.
It's time we quit deluding ourselves and start preparing to fight this bastard and his cronies for the next four years.

We don't want to end up as the liberal version of Breitbart with fantasy conspiracies.

 

sfwriter

(3,032 posts)
38. If he gets impeached...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 09:00 PM
Dec 2016

It will be at Republican hands to protect THEIR presidency. In a couple of years, they may decide and incumbent Pence is better than a current Trump.

That is the only scenario I imagine leading to impeachment.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. Good! Fox has this as "L.A.-based Lawyer sues FBI..."
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:18 PM
Dec 2016

In a just world, Comey would go to prison for a very, very long time. In one with capital punishment, he might be executed. Huge crime, huge betrayal of everything and everyone, huge damage to democracy.

bucolic_frolic

(43,487 posts)
5. If and when Trump is impeached
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:31 PM
Dec 2016

it will be because the best and the brightest freedom loving citizens
used their time and talents to examine every nuance and gain every
advantage

Trump won't have the necessities to compete with that, he just
orders everyone about

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
6. It's not enough to just be impeached....
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:41 PM
Dec 2016

He's got to be convicted of bribery, treason or other high crimes or misdemeanors to be removed from office...or he can resign (he'll never).

But ya can't JUST impeach the guy.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
10. There are 65,527,625 aggrieved parties and still counting.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:58 PM
Dec 2016

There are 2,676,189 more aggrieved parties than Trump voters, that being a popular vote winning margin of 1.967%.

I've reflected on how I have grounds to file just as much as any citizen, on equal justice grounds, and not just against an outcome but to seek remedy for electoral inequities due to state-by-state disparities in right to vote restrictions and kinds of voting, in other words to use the courts to force fair and transparent elections.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
12. They will say comey didn't have an effect on the election because Hillary won the popular vote
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:04 PM
Dec 2016

Guaranteed they throw it out that way.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
13. That's not how they determined a search warrant was needed.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:06 PM
Dec 2016

What matters is the point of law.

Of course, the fact that Hillary was going to win the vote could be argued as the reason they needed a search warrant to create the inference of a crime. It could also be argued that even with Comey in the mix, they still needed to switch 50,000 votes to steal the Electoral College, but try to take that to court.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
19. And she did...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:33 PM
Dec 2016

... but your elections are a different game. The Democratic war room was playing it wrong, and lost. They used all their campaigning and money to assure a big turnout of voters, who in reality was unnecessary for winning this game and just produced millions of superfluous votes. The Trump campaign played it much better, and won the popular vote in the most states. And more importantly, in the states where the votes really count by your archaic election system.

Please stop dreaming, that total popular vote count will ever be the future goal post. What might be possible, is changing the way the Electoral College is selected. If the prior elections for the last 25 years then can be counted in a way, where the resulting winning majority is shared between the parties at the same number of times, as the reality was - you might be able to convince the Republicans.

Any other solution will never happen.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
31. Do call all the voters
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:48 PM
Dec 2016

but be highly aware in which states they count the most in the end. If not, some smart guy will trump all your good efforts.

Ilsa

(61,712 posts)
16. I just hope Comey, trump, et al are up to their eyeballs in legal fees
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:28 PM
Dec 2016

as they try to defend their criminal acts. I hope Trump's billionaire friends get tired of bailing his ass out of trouble.

Let it begin, and thank you, Schoenberg.

Schoenberg's story of helping a survivor recover her family's Klimt paintings is told in Woman in Gold, starring Helen Mirren and Ryan Reynolds. It's worth seeing.

wryter2000

(46,133 posts)
21. We already have President Pence
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:44 PM
Dec 2016

Don't think the Orange Emperor is going to do anything other than "make American great again."

Tanuki

(14,930 posts)
22. Hope Giuliani is forced to disclose the source of the leaks he went around propagating re: this. nt
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:51 PM
Dec 2016

LiberalFighter

(51,335 posts)
26. I would rather find a way to invalidate the election results then to impeach the asshole.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:17 PM
Dec 2016

Impeachment means Pence would be President.

Election invalidation if that is possible would mean neither Trump or Pence are President.

MontanaMama

(23,367 posts)
27. I agree that Dumbass Donny Tic-Tax
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:18 PM
Dec 2016

will never be impeached and I also see the value (and satisfaction) of "chipping away" at his fragile ego.


JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,382 posts)
37. What Holocaust?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:26 PM
Dec 2016

Any education about any holocaust will probably be scrubbed from textbooks by our new Education Secretary, Betsy DeVos.

Along with any education about evolution, sex education, etc.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
40. There's plenty of evidence. That indicts the GOPeee as a whole!
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 01:32 PM
Dec 2016

In my not very humble opinion, anyway.

I want the election annulled...including all the POS's appointments. And the coterie of buddies who once said he was unfit, and now fight for a place at his feet. On their knees.

You're gonna wear out the knees on those nice $3k suits, Paulie.

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