Biden: I'm 'embarrassed' by the campaign
Source: CNN
By Kevin Liptak, CNN White House Producer
Updated 1:43 PM ET, Thu December 8, 2016
(CNN)This year's presidential contest was a substance-free spectacle, Vice President Joe Biden lamented on Thursday.
"This has been a very tough election. It's been ugly, it's been divisive, it's been coarse, it's been dispiriting. And it was more a battle of personalities than it was a battle of ideas in my view," Biden told a crowd at a post-election forum convened by New York University in Washington. "I find myself embarrassed by the nature of the way in which this campaign was conducted," he said. "So much for the shining city on the hill," he said.
In his talk, Biden characterized the election as devoid of policy or discussions of governance.
"Why wasn't there more discussion?" he asked. "Hillary Clinton was the single most qualified on the fact of it to run for president of the United States that we've had, period. It wasn't that she didn't have all these ideas. She did. But the press, you didn't cover it."
But he said it was understandable the media would forgo stories about each candidate's position on the issues for more salacious reporting. "It wasn't your fault," he said. "When a guy talks about grabbing a woman's private parts, when a guy says some of the incredibly outrageous things that were said, it sucks up all the oxygen in the air."
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Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/politics/biden-embarrassed-divisive-election/index.html
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Response to KamaAina (Reply #1)
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LisaM
(27,802 posts)I don't think Biden had the heart to run for President this year - that was discussed at length - after his son's death. He is also already 74.
But what bothers me beyond that is the sense that there's something wrong with someone who's worked really hard and is supremely qualified being in line for a job! What on earth is wrong with that? What if someone was a university professor and had been in a department for 20 years and then the head, who was the only person senior to the professor, retired? Wouldn't you want the person with 20 years of experience in the department to move into the role (assuming she or he was qualified?)
Women in particular have been passed over for less qualified people when senior jobs open up. I'm not comparing Hillary and Biden here as far as qualifications go - she ran, viably, twice, he didn't - though I think hers more than match his.
But overall, I don't get the stigma attached to its being someone's turn. So what if it is? Likely that person is the best to fit the role. Why does our society discount that so much? Why is that a negative?
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Cause that's not how elections WORK!!
Why have elections at all if it's a matter of "turns"?
LisaM
(27,802 posts)We can argue over whether she was given a fair shake (I don't think so, obviously), but other things being equal, I think it's acceptable to reward people who are qualified and have served well for a long time. That's how it works in the military, that's how it works in many professions, and that's how it works in a lot of parliamentary systems too.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)And the party's national committee is not supposed to operate as an arm of one anointed candidate.
TwilightZone
(25,466 posts)Sure, why not.
Oh, wait, so that's not how elections work?
For that matter, was it Trump's turn? He's run a couple of times before.
That assertion is so ridiculous that I can't help but laugh. Not that people don't keep spitting it out.
LisaM
(27,802 posts)I am not saying that we have "lines" of people running for President. What I am saying is that being the most experienced and qualified person is being treated as a negative. I don't think it should be. It's not about having run before. It's about building a resume. I think a little more experience would have helped Obama at the beginning of his first term, actually.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)THAT is what he feels was so "embarrassing" and damaging to our nation. He soft-pedaled his condemnation of course.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)LisaM
(27,802 posts)This was a different point.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)why is it that we are (once again, after her SECOND attempt) inaugurating someone not named Hillary?
At what point are you going to be willing to admit the American people do not want Hillary Clinton as President?
JHan
(10,173 posts)the *people* clearly wanted her, our system with all its flaws, did not facilitate this happening....
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)or for Hillary? How can you say the American people didn't want Hillary when she got more votes. Its' the electoral college that did her in, not the American people. Biden didn't run because he was still grieving, not because of the petty bullshit reason you gave.
LisaM
(27,802 posts)It's not the American people, it's our outdated systems.
I'm still not totally against the concept of the Electoral College, though it's failed us miserably in two of the last five election cycles. I personally now think a more modified approach is to eliminate it, but keep the two Senate seats in each state. That delivers the small states extra clout. Maybe it's not enough - the issue certainly needs examination.
But, Hillary got more primary votes in 2008 - she released her super delegates and conceded.
Hillary hammered Bernie in the primaries (but it was "rigged", don'tchya know).
Hillary has a larger margin of popular vote victory than many sitting presidents did.
Do "the people" not want Hillary, or do we really need to examine our system a little more closely? I think the people did want her.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)The Electoral College is a horrific anachronism and needs to go the way of "3/5th's of a person", "poll taxes", "land owning citizens only having the franchise" and other elements of the original, broken and outdated system in favor of a new system that understands times change, reality evolves and the concept of "small states" needing or receiving undue clout is neither healthy nor required for a functional country.
I am also sick to death of the idea that "urban" voters (ie. "non-whites" and the Democratic Party need to "understand" the angst of the "rural" voters (ie. "whites" . There is nothing to "understand" when people are unwilling to observe reality, unable to tell fact from fiction and are too petulant to admit that their fears of inadequacy are only cover for their inherently racist hearts and patterns of behavior. You do not change the rotten core of somethings and you do not justify amoral behaviors and beliefs to be polite and well-liked...you speak truth to power and idiots the same.
This country is heading to reckoning and a second Civil War, the outcome of which will not be a unified, single country but three adversarial ones - East, Central and West. The East and the West will have a hard time maintaining a contiguous land border, but perhaps one may emerge along the northern border (the Gulf Coast is a total loss). Personally, I like the West Coast...the people, the geography, the climate (for a few more years anyway), so I will try to relocate there before the war(s) and before I have to apply for entry or asylum from the hell hole that will become the Central States of America. The East Coast is also nice, but more congested and crowded in general...although it would easily be my "plan B" over staying in the CSA long term.
When the fighting starts again, those on the side of rational thought and modernity will have to accept the fact that sometimes the herd must be culled for the good of the many. The population centers and larger urban areas will either join together to combat the forces of idiocy that currently hold sway, or they will fall and become "former population centers"...ultimately, there is not a viable country that includes acquiescing to the whims of the morons that have elected Trump.
RIP America
1776-2016
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)No way the smaller states give up the unbalanced power they were unfairly given under the Constitution.
LisaM
(27,802 posts)I also think there is a real law of unintended consequences. Do I wish it didn't exist now? I certainly do. But I think the ramifications of outright eliminating it need to be examined and all the scenarios thought out.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)without a brain, than a woman with one? Just a thought.
Ghost OF Trotsky
(61 posts)I have been, or known, the candidate who was by FAR the most qualified. And didn't get the job.
Happens. I feel her pain, at least somewhat.
Of course, in this case, we are ALL gonna be feeling a LOT of pain.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)skylucy
(3,739 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)You apparently have forgotten that Biden's son died -- that's why he decided not to run.
riversedge
(70,190 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)A most trendy allegation all the cool kids use in place of a substantive answer supported by evidence. But you're very, very cool, so there's that.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He HAS run--TWICE.
He got fewer votes both times than Ben Carson.
He did better as a bridesmaid than a bride. The oppo would have killed him.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)William Seger
(10,778 posts)... and on Colbert, he said he still believes it was the right decision for himself and his family. Why are you insulting him like this?
JHan
(10,173 posts)SMFH.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Probably caused by toxic exposure in Dumbya's war. And that's how it ends.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)There was no way the vulgar talking yam took PA from Joe from Scranton. Joe could have taken MI and WI, too. The saddest words of tongue and pen are these, "It might have been."
Hekate
(90,645 posts)...and "a good sense of humor" and all those other things that come with feeling well, when it fact he was still reeling from being gut-punched by the death of his beloved son?
Would you still feel we were somehow owed his candidacy or would you blame his loss on those absent qualities, and blame him for the oppo research into his 48 years of public life?
I was here at DU when certain members started dredging up all kinds of shit about his defense of Clarence Thomas and how we Democrats were supposed to hate and despise him because of that.
I love and admire Joe Biden, but I remember those posts all too well from supposed fellow Democrats.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)and staved off the disaster that is about to envelop Western civilization?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Of course, Sanders didn't give a shit about that.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)...as the "establishment candidate" when it looked like the e-mail issue was a detriment.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)identity as establishmentarian to the point of undefeatability. Either the DNC knew the fragility of a Clinton candidacy, or it is deluded completely with its since of push-button control. Probably both.
louis-t
(23,292 posts)Apparently, he's not a pussy grabber.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)But Sanders supporters decided to go over the cliff after a guy whose plans were empty promises with no details behind them.
A guy who couldn't get through an editorial board meeting with NY editors.
A guy who never held a steady job until he was 40 years old.
metroins
(2,550 posts)That's what they want....bullet points.
Free College
Build a Wall
15 bucks an hour
Create more jobs
Free Healthcare
End Free Trade
None of that is/was going to happen, but nobody cares.
JHan
(10,173 posts)I'm done excusing voters.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Do you have any reason to think that less expensive college is a bad idea?
Why are you against more jobs or free healthcare? Countries like Canada seem to be doing okay (better than us).
This is just a fucking bullshit list conflating Trump with Sanders.
It isn't going to happen because Democrats are cowards and don't stand up for what is really important: the social safety net. Instead, they bow and scrape before their corporate masters.
metroins
(2,550 posts)Free college was a lie. A bold faced lie. Sanders campaigned on free college, not less expensive. The GOP on a good election day was still going to retain the House, it would have never been passed. Sounds good, but a lie on the campaign trail.
Free Healthcare, another lie during the campaign. At a minimum we would've been 4 years out from either of them being passed because of GOP control.
Trump and Sanders both lied during their campaigns, which is what the public wants.
If this was 2008, I wouldn't call them a lie, I'd be all for them, but this election was not going to be a wave for the Democrats and Hillary was the only realistic, pragmatic, non lying politician this season.
This is not a bash on Sanders, I actually like the ideas and his "fire"; but campaigning on these issues like they would actually happen is a disservice to the citizenry. Unfortunately, citizens want to be lied to.
murielm99
(30,733 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)As he stated "Hillary Clinton was the single most qualified on the fact of it to run for president of the United States that we've had, period...."
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)tinrobot
(10,895 posts)That's what Biden has said many times.
DK504
(3,847 posts)The DNC drubbed him out of the idea very quickly when Hillary announced.
If he can't be President, can we have him for DNC?
woodsprite
(11,911 posts)Getting that off the ground and building a research coalition from his home here in Delaware.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)tblue37
(65,334 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)and you know that some, not all, some would have gladly turned the obama coalition against itself.
LisaM
(27,802 posts)He's not embarrassed by the actual campaign. He was embarrassed by what the media made of it.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)LisaM
(27,802 posts)But don't let's get me started on misleading headlines.
MADem
(135,425 posts)If America goes to hell in that proverbial handbasket (of deplorables) over the next four hellish years, I will hold the Fourth Estate of Stenographers responsible.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)to figure out how to get through the noise.
No, she had her team and they failed.
You Media is what it is. Bannon figured out a way to cut through it.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)She could have done precisely the same as Trump and acted like a bigot and misogynist... as you said, Bannon did.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Response to JHan (Reply #31)
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MADem
(135,425 posts)JudyM
(29,233 posts)33taw
(2,439 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Given to her. By the time four years passes some should be able to figure out why voting third party,Trump and not voting did not work out very well.
JHan
(10,173 posts)it's now a tradition.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)would be more of the same as some of the comments I read which is not correct.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)from being elected rather than continuously bringing up RW talking points to disparage the DNC nominee.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Newsflash. Back when we were the party of the working class we controlled huge majorities in the House and Senate.
It wasn't until the Beltway kept repeating "This is a center-right country" and the Democrats brought in a bunch of "centrists" and then bought the idea of a vast fictitious "middle" that we started losing nationally. It got to the point where members of the party were claiming "the Left" was to blame for their own losses.
We've lost state legislatures and governors and STILL there is the likes of Harold Ford claiming to know what he's talking about.
Meanwhile, California didn't do the "sensible woodchuck" crap and Democrats OWN the place.
But by all means, trash the Liberal Base (which is growing, not shrinking) because it's considered to be an embarrassment.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Republican will explain why many offices are controlled by republicans, you may be surprised.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)It's wedge issue politics and out and out racism/voter suppression.
LBJ said it best.
"There goes The South."
That doesn't mean we embrace what could be called "a winning strategy".
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Never again will this party go down that road.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Which are actually Old Republicans.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)This may be the answer as to why I believe in Democratic ideas are best.
benld74
(9,904 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)barbtries
(28,787 posts)and i'm kind of surprised he felt the need to say it wasn't.
Kathy M
(1,242 posts)I agree with Biden , not surprised he would say that at all .......
barbtries
(28,787 posts)they aired trump 24/7. they pounded the propaganda drums against Hillary incessantly. they suck. badly.
not that they bear all the blame of course. a lot of people are stupid, ignorant, haters. the dnc did what they did. but yeah, it was the media's fault. and if the presidency of this nightmare is normalized, that will also be their fault.
Kathy M
(1,242 posts)My opinion is different than yours .......
One thing we do have in common are the issues ....... that is what we should be talking about and working on for the future of the party
One thing I will agree about the media ..... they should have been bringing up the " fake news " more . It is also good to see some push back from sponsors on fake news . I hope it continues .....
George II
(67,782 posts)...he said this:
"Hillary Clinton was the single most qualified on the fact of it to run for president of the United States that we've had, period. It wasn't that she didn't have all these ideas. She did. But the press, you didn't cover it."
StevieM
(10,500 posts)He tried to deliver a message about the media not covering her ideas and policy proposals.
They are writing about him supposedly being disappointed in her behavior.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)I can't believe that someone who said "grab her by the p***y" is ELECTED PRESIDENT!!!
And a rank racist and Islamaphobe...
agalisgv
(148 posts)A month later.
mcar
(42,302 posts)Land Shark
(6,346 posts)Governor, secretary of state, ambassador, author of the Declaration of Independence, inventor, and more.
But other than that, what Joe Biden said was good.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)We also have a well funded (Kochs) propaganda machine in this country that infiltrates every means of communication. The well paid people at the top belong to the 1% club, they're buddies, and stick together. All they care about are stock prices and profits. They don't give a crap about issues that affect the "bottom feeders".
Cha
(297,154 posts)bdamomma
(63,837 posts)also they will normalize this shit, no way am I going with this crap.
We need these jerks like Conway to be challenged by our MSM (but no) cause they feel they can do and say anything. They are infringing their sick thoughts on us.