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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:04 PM Dec 2016

Biden: I'm 'embarrassed' by the campaign

Source: CNN

By Kevin Liptak, CNN White House Producer
Updated 1:43 PM ET, Thu December 8, 2016

(CNN)This year's presidential contest was a substance-free spectacle, Vice President Joe Biden lamented on Thursday.

"This has been a very tough election. It's been ugly, it's been divisive, it's been coarse, it's been dispiriting. And it was more a battle of personalities than it was a battle of ideas in my view," Biden told a crowd at a post-election forum convened by New York University in Washington. "I find myself embarrassed by the nature of the way in which this campaign was conducted," he said. "So much for the shining city on the hill," he said.

In his talk, Biden characterized the election as devoid of policy or discussions of governance.
"Why wasn't there more discussion?" he asked. "Hillary Clinton was the single most qualified on the fact of it to run for president of the United States that we've had, period. It wasn't that she didn't have all these ideas. She did. But the press, you didn't cover it."

But he said it was understandable the media would forgo stories about each candidate's position on the issues for more salacious reporting. "It wasn't your fault," he said. "When a guy talks about grabbing a woman's private parts, when a guy says some of the incredibly outrageous things that were said, it sucks up all the oxygen in the air."

-snip-

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/politics/biden-embarrassed-divisive-election/index.html

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Biden: I'm 'embarrassed' by the campaign (Original Post) DonViejo Dec 2016 OP
So why didn't you run, Joe? KamaAina Dec 2016 #1
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #2
You know, that comment is starting to bug me. LisaM Dec 2016 #8
"But overall, I don't get the stigma attached to its being someone's turn." PassingFair Dec 2016 #19
It's not an appointment. She was a candidate. LisaM Dec 2016 #38
That's not how the American system works... PassingFair Dec 2016 #60
So, it was Obama's turn? TwilightZone Dec 2016 #41
You are completely missing what I am saying. LisaM Dec 2016 #85
Biden was upset about THE MEDIA COVERAGE. Hortensis Dec 2016 #44
This Kathy M Dec 2016 #48
Exactly...Seems pretty obvious to me. n/t whathehell Dec 2016 #66
I responded to that. LisaM Dec 2016 #84
Sorry.. whathehell Dec 2016 #90
Yeah, well, since she was so qualified and such a great candidate Glitterati Dec 2016 #22
being disingenuous doesn't help you make your case.. JHan Dec 2016 #26
Did more people vote for Donnie leftynyc Dec 2016 #32
Well, she got more votes than everyone she ran against in every election she's ever run. LisaM Dec 2016 #42
Nope...no common ground for me on this... Moostache Dec 2016 #61
The Electoral College needs to go the way of buggy whips... but, unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #71
For many years, I thought it was a good thing. I don't want to seem hypocritical. LisaM Dec 2016 #73
Because we've got a lot of idiots here who'd rather elect a "swagger" whathehell Dec 2016 #65
More than once, in the corporate world Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #67
lmao n/t. okieinpain Dec 2016 #100
+100 Well said! skylucy Dec 2016 #77
No. He's blaming the press, not Hillary, and they would have treated him the same. pnwmom Dec 2016 #10
I think the CNN headline is a bit confusing. Well, it was for me till I started reading the riversedge Dec 2016 #46
A most trendy allegation all the cool kids use in place of an answer. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #16
He was told no such thing. Two words. Neil Kinnock. Two more: Anita Hill. MADem Dec 2016 #20
There are people who say it's now TWICE she had it stolen from her. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #27
I've heard Biden say why he didn't run, several times William Seger Dec 2016 #29
He was still grieving his son. JHan Dec 2016 #30
So one case of cancer ends up costing us the free world. KamaAina Dec 2016 #37
"One case of cancer"? What the fuck is wrong with you? phleshdef Dec 2016 #43
Think how many thousands will die because of Cheeto Benito. KamaAina Dec 2016 #45
That's disgusting. So what would you say if he had run but lacked "energy" and "charisma"... Hekate Dec 2016 #63
So who would you have had run who could have won the primary KamaAina Dec 2016 #69
My guess is the DNC would have tolerated him only slightly more than Bernie. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #4
Actually, there was a point where the DNC was considering Joe over Hillary,... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #47
It amazes me that the DNC even thinks in this manner, given Hillary's... Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #99
They wouldn't have covered him either. louis-t Dec 2016 #6
Martin O'Malley ran. He was progressive and had plans that actually worked. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #9
Our voting population wants free stuff and understandable rhetoric metroins Dec 2016 #23
And if you dare folks to inquire beyond the slogans.. you get a confused look. JHan Dec 2016 #28
Why are those bad ideas? alarimer Dec 2016 #82
Bad ideas, no, lies, yes metroins Dec 2016 #97
Amen. murielm99 Dec 2016 #36
And the M$M covered him 24/7/365. KamaAina Dec 2016 #39
Because he though Clinton was the most qualified...? LanternWaste Dec 2016 #14
Perhaps he do not feel up to it following the death of another child? etherealtruth Dec 2016 #21
Because his son died. tinrobot Dec 2016 #24
He wasn't "allowed" DK504 Dec 2016 #54
It's my understanding that he's going to be working on the Cancer Moonshot woodsprite Dec 2016 #59
Seriously! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #68
It WAS the media's fault for not, as Bill Maher said, "Doing their F***ing jobs!" nt tblue37 Dec 2016 #72
because he did nto want it to become Obama's VP vs Obama's sos DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #102
This headline needs editing - badly. LisaM Dec 2016 #3
Right. He's not criticizing Hillary; he's criticizing the press. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #11
By the headline, you'd think otherwise! LisaM Dec 2016 #13
The MOST qualified .... "But the press, you didn't cover it." MADem Dec 2016 #5
Clinton raised a billion dollars. She could have hired a marketing consultant KittyWampus Dec 2016 #12
She could have done precisely the same as Trump and acted like a bigot and misogynist... LanternWaste Dec 2016 #17
She needed to lie all year and promise stuff she couldn't deliver.. JHan Dec 2016 #31
Exactly! spooky3 Dec 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Dec 2016 #57
Bannon figured out a way? Yeah, get Putin to hack the election. nt MADem Dec 2016 #18
That's what still stuns me. Thought we'd not fall victim to swiftboating again. JudyM Dec 2016 #58
It is time to abandon the press. I can get tabloid news at the grocery store. 33taw Dec 2016 #7
Hillary did a lot of tip toeing, tried not to step on others toes, there was not the same respect Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #15
I predict the left will continue to cannibalize itself in democrat incumbent years... JHan Dec 2016 #33
Anyone who thinks the answer is a move to the "center" missed the memo. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #49
No, it needs to be good strong Democratic positions. Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #75
Some people think making Wall Street richer than Republicans can is a Democratic position. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #76
Perhaps your vision of Democratic positions is not correct. I could say lots more but it Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #78
My idea of 'Democratic positions' is realizing there are more workers than bosses. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #80
My idea of Democratic positions is to get behind the DNC nominee to prevent someone like Trump Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #83
So saying the party has abandoned the working class is a "right wing talking point"? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #86
perhaps some research into the reason why southern states has change from Democrat to Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #87
No I wouldn't... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #88
Not sure what you think is a winning strategy would be. Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #89
A hint: George Wallace was a Democrat..... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #91
Angry old men die off. Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #92
and The South ain't gonna rise again. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #93
Along with others who will not take flight. Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #95
Yeah,...like the "New Democrats"..... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #96
Well, I am not in that group but see post here which indicates they may be republican. Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #98
POTUS election process taken down to National Enquirer headlines benld74 Dec 2016 #25
The media utterly failed the country (well, we know which part of the country) NRaleighLiberal Dec 2016 #34
but it was their fault, barbtries Dec 2016 #40
Was it really the media 's fault ? Kathy M Dec 2016 #52
i don't. barbtries Dec 2016 #64
everyone is entitled to their own opinion ....... Kathy M Dec 2016 #70
That CNN write-up is basically false. He didn't entirely say he was embarrassed by the "campaign".. George II Dec 2016 #50
And the media coverage will be 180 degrees opposite of what he was trying to say. StevieM Dec 2016 #56
I'm with you, Joe. God bless you. CTyankee Dec 2016 #51
Agree Kathy M Dec 2016 #53
It is still hard to believe agalisgv Dec 2016 #55
Thank you, VP Biden mcar Dec 2016 #62
Most qualified candidate ever was Thomas Jefferson. Land Shark Dec 2016 #74
Corporate entities decide how a campaign is going to be covered. They give the marching orders. YOHABLO Dec 2016 #79
"Hillary Clinton was the single most qualified on the fact of it to run for president of the United Cha Dec 2016 #81
that is it ......... the press didn't report it bdamomma Dec 2016 #94
so he wasn't listening to Bernie's speeches? yurbud Dec 2016 #101

Response to KamaAina (Reply #1)

LisaM

(27,802 posts)
8. You know, that comment is starting to bug me.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:16 PM
Dec 2016

I don't think Biden had the heart to run for President this year - that was discussed at length - after his son's death. He is also already 74.

But what bothers me beyond that is the sense that there's something wrong with someone who's worked really hard and is supremely qualified being in line for a job! What on earth is wrong with that? What if someone was a university professor and had been in a department for 20 years and then the head, who was the only person senior to the professor, retired? Wouldn't you want the person with 20 years of experience in the department to move into the role (assuming she or he was qualified?)

Women in particular have been passed over for less qualified people when senior jobs open up. I'm not comparing Hillary and Biden here as far as qualifications go - she ran, viably, twice, he didn't - though I think hers more than match his.

But overall, I don't get the stigma attached to its being someone's turn. So what if it is? Likely that person is the best to fit the role. Why does our society discount that so much? Why is that a negative?

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
19. "But overall, I don't get the stigma attached to its being someone's turn."
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:30 PM
Dec 2016

Cause that's not how elections WORK!!

Why have elections at all if it's a matter of "turns"?

LisaM

(27,802 posts)
38. It's not an appointment. She was a candidate.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:05 PM
Dec 2016

We can argue over whether she was given a fair shake (I don't think so, obviously), but other things being equal, I think it's acceptable to reward people who are qualified and have served well for a long time. That's how it works in the military, that's how it works in many professions, and that's how it works in a lot of parliamentary systems too.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
60. That's not how the American system works...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:36 PM
Dec 2016

And the party's national committee is not supposed to operate as an arm of one anointed candidate.

TwilightZone

(25,466 posts)
41. So, it was Obama's turn?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:06 PM
Dec 2016

Sure, why not.

Oh, wait, so that's not how elections work?

For that matter, was it Trump's turn? He's run a couple of times before.

That assertion is so ridiculous that I can't help but laugh. Not that people don't keep spitting it out.

LisaM

(27,802 posts)
85. You are completely missing what I am saying.
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 11:12 AM
Dec 2016

I am not saying that we have "lines" of people running for President. What I am saying is that being the most experienced and qualified person is being treated as a negative. I don't think it should be. It's not about having run before. It's about building a resume. I think a little more experience would have helped Obama at the beginning of his first term, actually.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
44. Biden was upset about THE MEDIA COVERAGE.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:18 PM
Dec 2016

THAT is what he feels was so "embarrassing" and damaging to our nation. He soft-pedaled his condemnation of course.

"Hillary Clinton was the single most qualified on the fact of it to run for president of the United States that we've had, period. It wasn't that she didn't have all these ideas. She did. But the press, you didn't cover it."



 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
22. Yeah, well, since she was so qualified and such a great candidate
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:32 PM
Dec 2016

why is it that we are (once again, after her SECOND attempt) inaugurating someone not named Hillary?

At what point are you going to be willing to admit the American people do not want Hillary Clinton as President?

JHan

(10,173 posts)
26. being disingenuous doesn't help you make your case..
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:45 PM
Dec 2016

the *people* clearly wanted her, our system with all its flaws, did not facilitate this happening....

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
32. Did more people vote for Donnie
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:53 PM
Dec 2016

or for Hillary? How can you say the American people didn't want Hillary when she got more votes. Its' the electoral college that did her in, not the American people. Biden didn't run because he was still grieving, not because of the petty bullshit reason you gave.

LisaM

(27,802 posts)
42. Well, she got more votes than everyone she ran against in every election she's ever run.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:09 PM
Dec 2016

It's not the American people, it's our outdated systems.

I'm still not totally against the concept of the Electoral College, though it's failed us miserably in two of the last five election cycles. I personally now think a more modified approach is to eliminate it, but keep the two Senate seats in each state. That delivers the small states extra clout. Maybe it's not enough - the issue certainly needs examination.

But, Hillary got more primary votes in 2008 - she released her super delegates and conceded.

Hillary hammered Bernie in the primaries (but it was "rigged", don'tchya know).

Hillary has a larger margin of popular vote victory than many sitting presidents did.

Do "the people" not want Hillary, or do we really need to examine our system a little more closely? I think the people did want her.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
61. Nope...no common ground for me on this...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:38 PM
Dec 2016

The Electoral College is a horrific anachronism and needs to go the way of "3/5th's of a person", "poll taxes", "land owning citizens only having the franchise" and other elements of the original, broken and outdated system in favor of a new system that understands times change, reality evolves and the concept of "small states" needing or receiving undue clout is neither healthy nor required for a functional country.

I am also sick to death of the idea that "urban" voters (ie. "non-whites&quot and the Democratic Party need to "understand" the angst of the "rural" voters (ie. "whites&quot . There is nothing to "understand" when people are unwilling to observe reality, unable to tell fact from fiction and are too petulant to admit that their fears of inadequacy are only cover for their inherently racist hearts and patterns of behavior. You do not change the rotten core of somethings and you do not justify amoral behaviors and beliefs to be polite and well-liked...you speak truth to power and idiots the same.

This country is heading to reckoning and a second Civil War, the outcome of which will not be a unified, single country but three adversarial ones - East, Central and West. The East and the West will have a hard time maintaining a contiguous land border, but perhaps one may emerge along the northern border (the Gulf Coast is a total loss). Personally, I like the West Coast...the people, the geography, the climate (for a few more years anyway), so I will try to relocate there before the war(s) and before I have to apply for entry or asylum from the hell hole that will become the Central States of America. The East Coast is also nice, but more congested and crowded in general...although it would easily be my "plan B" over staying in the CSA long term.

When the fighting starts again, those on the side of rational thought and modernity will have to accept the fact that sometimes the herd must be culled for the good of the many. The population centers and larger urban areas will either join together to combat the forces of idiocy that currently hold sway, or they will fall and become "former population centers"...ultimately, there is not a viable country that includes acquiescing to the whims of the morons that have elected Trump.

RIP America
1776-2016

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
71. The Electoral College needs to go the way of buggy whips... but, unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:23 PM
Dec 2016

No way the smaller states give up the unbalanced power they were unfairly given under the Constitution.

LisaM

(27,802 posts)
73. For many years, I thought it was a good thing. I don't want to seem hypocritical.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 09:01 PM
Dec 2016

I also think there is a real law of unintended consequences. Do I wish it didn't exist now? I certainly do. But I think the ramifications of outright eliminating it need to be examined and all the scenarios thought out.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
65. Because we've got a lot of idiots here who'd rather elect a "swagger"
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:49 PM
Dec 2016

without a brain, than a woman with one? Just a thought.

 

Ghost OF Trotsky

(61 posts)
67. More than once, in the corporate world
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:04 PM
Dec 2016

I have been, or known, the candidate who was by FAR the most qualified. And didn't get the job.

Happens. I feel her pain, at least somewhat.

Of course, in this case, we are ALL gonna be feeling a LOT of pain.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
10. No. He's blaming the press, not Hillary, and they would have treated him the same.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:21 PM
Dec 2016
"It wasn't that she didn't have all these ideas. She did. But the press, you didn't cover it."


You apparently have forgotten that Biden's son died -- that's why he decided not to run.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. A most trendy allegation all the cool kids use in place of an answer.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:26 PM
Dec 2016

A most trendy allegation all the cool kids use in place of a substantive answer supported by evidence. But you're very, very cool, so there's that.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. He was told no such thing. Two words. Neil Kinnock. Two more: Anita Hill.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:32 PM
Dec 2016

He HAS run--TWICE.

He got fewer votes both times than Ben Carson.

He did better as a bridesmaid than a bride. The oppo would have killed him.

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
29. I've heard Biden say why he didn't run, several times
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:47 PM
Dec 2016

... and on Colbert, he said he still believes it was the right decision for himself and his family. Why are you insulting him like this?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
37. So one case of cancer ends up costing us the free world.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:03 PM
Dec 2016

Probably caused by toxic exposure in Dumbya's war. And that's how it ends.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
45. Think how many thousands will die because of Cheeto Benito.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:22 PM
Dec 2016

There was no way the vulgar talking yam took PA from Joe from Scranton. Joe could have taken MI and WI, too. The saddest words of tongue and pen are these, "It might have been."

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
63. That's disgusting. So what would you say if he had run but lacked "energy" and "charisma"...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:44 PM
Dec 2016

...and "a good sense of humor" and all those other things that come with feeling well, when it fact he was still reeling from being gut-punched by the death of his beloved son?

Would you still feel we were somehow owed his candidacy or would you blame his loss on those absent qualities, and blame him for the oppo research into his 48 years of public life?

I was here at DU when certain members started dredging up all kinds of shit about his defense of Clarence Thomas and how we Democrats were supposed to hate and despise him because of that.

I love and admire Joe Biden, but I remember those posts all too well from supposed fellow Democrats.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
69. So who would you have had run who could have won the primary
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:21 PM
Dec 2016

and staved off the disaster that is about to envelop Western civilization?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
4. My guess is the DNC would have tolerated him only slightly more than Bernie.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:10 PM
Dec 2016

Of course, Sanders didn't give a shit about that.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
47. Actually, there was a point where the DNC was considering Joe over Hillary,...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:26 PM
Dec 2016

...as the "establishment candidate" when it looked like the e-mail issue was a detriment.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
99. It amazes me that the DNC even thinks in this manner, given Hillary's...
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:54 PM
Dec 2016

identity as establishmentarian to the point of undefeatability. Either the DNC knew the fragility of a Clinton candidacy, or it is deluded completely with its since of push-button control. Probably both.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
9. Martin O'Malley ran. He was progressive and had plans that actually worked.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:20 PM
Dec 2016

But Sanders supporters decided to go over the cliff after a guy whose plans were empty promises with no details behind them.

A guy who couldn't get through an editorial board meeting with NY editors.

A guy who never held a steady job until he was 40 years old.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
23. Our voting population wants free stuff and understandable rhetoric
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:34 PM
Dec 2016

That's what they want....bullet points.

Free College
Build a Wall
15 bucks an hour
Create more jobs
Free Healthcare
End Free Trade

None of that is/was going to happen, but nobody cares.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
28. And if you dare folks to inquire beyond the slogans.. you get a confused look.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:46 PM
Dec 2016

I'm done excusing voters.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
82. Why are those bad ideas?
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:22 AM
Dec 2016

Do you have any reason to think that less expensive college is a bad idea?

Why are you against more jobs or free healthcare? Countries like Canada seem to be doing okay (better than us).

This is just a fucking bullshit list conflating Trump with Sanders.

It isn't going to happen because Democrats are cowards and don't stand up for what is really important: the social safety net. Instead, they bow and scrape before their corporate masters.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
97. Bad ideas, no, lies, yes
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 12:01 AM
Dec 2016

Free college was a lie. A bold faced lie. Sanders campaigned on free college, not less expensive. The GOP on a good election day was still going to retain the House, it would have never been passed. Sounds good, but a lie on the campaign trail.

Free Healthcare, another lie during the campaign. At a minimum we would've been 4 years out from either of them being passed because of GOP control.

Trump and Sanders both lied during their campaigns, which is what the public wants.

If this was 2008, I wouldn't call them a lie, I'd be all for them, but this election was not going to be a wave for the Democrats and Hillary was the only realistic, pragmatic, non lying politician this season.

This is not a bash on Sanders, I actually like the ideas and his "fire"; but campaigning on these issues like they would actually happen is a disservice to the citizenry. Unfortunately, citizens want to be lied to.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. Because he though Clinton was the most qualified...?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:25 PM
Dec 2016

As he stated "Hillary Clinton was the single most qualified on the fact of it to run for president of the United States that we've had, period...."

DK504

(3,847 posts)
54. He wasn't "allowed"
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:11 PM
Dec 2016

The DNC drubbed him out of the idea very quickly when Hillary announced.

If he can't be President, can we have him for DNC?

woodsprite

(11,911 posts)
59. It's my understanding that he's going to be working on the Cancer Moonshot
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:32 PM
Dec 2016

Getting that off the ground and building a research coalition from his home here in Delaware.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
102. because he did nto want it to become Obama's VP vs Obama's sos
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 06:24 PM
Dec 2016

and you know that some, not all, some would have gladly turned the obama coalition against itself.

LisaM

(27,802 posts)
3. This headline needs editing - badly.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:09 PM
Dec 2016

He's not embarrassed by the actual campaign. He was embarrassed by what the media made of it.

LisaM

(27,802 posts)
13. By the headline, you'd think otherwise!
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:23 PM
Dec 2016

But don't let's get me started on misleading headlines.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
5. The MOST qualified .... "But the press, you didn't cover it."
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:10 PM
Dec 2016

If America goes to hell in that proverbial handbasket (of deplorables) over the next four hellish years, I will hold the Fourth Estate of Stenographers responsible.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
12. Clinton raised a billion dollars. She could have hired a marketing consultant
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:22 PM
Dec 2016

to figure out how to get through the noise.

No, she had her team and they failed.

You Media is what it is. Bannon figured out a way to cut through it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
17. She could have done precisely the same as Trump and acted like a bigot and misogynist...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:28 PM
Dec 2016

She could have done precisely the same as Trump and acted like a bigot and misogynist... as you said, Bannon did.

Response to JHan (Reply #31)

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
15. Hillary did a lot of tip toeing, tried not to step on others toes, there was not the same respect
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:26 PM
Dec 2016

Given to her. By the time four years passes some should be able to figure out why voting third party,Trump and not voting did not work out very well.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
33. I predict the left will continue to cannibalize itself in democrat incumbent years...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:54 PM
Dec 2016

it's now a tradition.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
78. Perhaps your vision of Democratic positions is not correct. I could say lots more but it
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 01:58 AM
Dec 2016

would be more of the same as some of the comments I read which is not correct.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
83. My idea of Democratic positions is to get behind the DNC nominee to prevent someone like Trump
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 10:57 AM
Dec 2016

from being elected rather than continuously bringing up RW talking points to disparage the DNC nominee.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
86. So saying the party has abandoned the working class is a "right wing talking point"?
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 12:15 PM
Dec 2016

Newsflash. Back when we were the party of the working class we controlled huge majorities in the House and Senate.

It wasn't until the Beltway kept repeating "This is a center-right country" and the Democrats brought in a bunch of "centrists" and then bought the idea of a vast fictitious "middle" that we started losing nationally. It got to the point where members of the party were claiming "the Left" was to blame for their own losses.

We've lost state legislatures and governors and STILL there is the likes of Harold Ford claiming to know what he's talking about.

Meanwhile, California didn't do the "sensible woodchuck" crap and Democrats OWN the place.

But by all means, trash the Liberal Base (which is growing, not shrinking) because it's considered to be an embarrassment.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
87. perhaps some research into the reason why southern states has change from Democrat to
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 12:34 PM
Dec 2016

Republican will explain why many offices are controlled by republicans, you may be surprised.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
88. No I wouldn't...
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 12:38 PM
Dec 2016

It's wedge issue politics and out and out racism/voter suppression.

LBJ said it best.

"There goes The South."

That doesn't mean we embrace what could be called "a winning strategy".

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
98. Well, I am not in that group but see post here which indicates they may be republican.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:58 AM
Dec 2016

This may be the answer as to why I believe in Democratic ideas are best.

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
52. Was it really the media 's fault ?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:57 PM
Dec 2016

I agree with Biden , not surprised he would say that at all .......

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
64. i don't.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:44 PM
Dec 2016

they aired trump 24/7. they pounded the propaganda drums against Hillary incessantly. they suck. badly.
not that they bear all the blame of course. a lot of people are stupid, ignorant, haters. the dnc did what they did. but yeah, it was the media's fault. and if the presidency of this nightmare is normalized, that will also be their fault.

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
70. everyone is entitled to their own opinion .......
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:22 PM
Dec 2016

My opinion is different than yours .......

One thing we do have in common are the issues ....... that is what we should be talking about and working on for the future of the party

One thing I will agree about the media ..... they should have been bringing up the " fake news " more . It is also good to see some push back from sponsors on fake news . I hope it continues .....

George II

(67,782 posts)
50. That CNN write-up is basically false. He didn't entirely say he was embarrassed by the "campaign"..
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:47 PM
Dec 2016

...he said this:

"Hillary Clinton was the single most qualified on the fact of it to run for president of the United States that we've had, period. It wasn't that she didn't have all these ideas. She did. But the press, you didn't cover it."

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
56. And the media coverage will be 180 degrees opposite of what he was trying to say.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:22 PM
Dec 2016

He tried to deliver a message about the media not covering her ideas and policy proposals.

They are writing about him supposedly being disappointed in her behavior.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
51. I'm with you, Joe. God bless you.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:50 PM
Dec 2016

I can't believe that someone who said "grab her by the p***y" is ELECTED PRESIDENT!!!

And a rank racist and Islamaphobe...

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
74. Most qualified candidate ever was Thomas Jefferson.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 10:13 PM
Dec 2016

Governor, secretary of state, ambassador, author of the Declaration of Independence, inventor, and more.

But other than that, what Joe Biden said was good.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
79. Corporate entities decide how a campaign is going to be covered. They give the marching orders.
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 02:52 AM
Dec 2016

We also have a well funded (Kochs) propaganda machine in this country that infiltrates every means of communication. The well paid people at the top belong to the 1% club, they're buddies, and stick together. All they care about are stock prices and profits. They don't give a crap about issues that affect the "bottom feeders".

Cha

(297,154 posts)
81. "Hillary Clinton was the single most qualified on the fact of it to run for president of the United
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 04:51 AM
Dec 2016
States that we've had, period. It wasn't that she didn't have all these ideas. She did. But the press, you didn't cover it."

bdamomma

(63,837 posts)
94. that is it ......... the press didn't report it
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 06:34 PM
Dec 2016

also they will normalize this shit, no way am I going with this crap.


We need these jerks like Conway to be challenged by our MSM (but no) cause they feel they can do and say anything. They are infringing their sick thoughts on us.

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