HILLARY CLINTON: The 'epidemic of malicious fake news' is a 'danger' that must be 'addressed quic
Source: businessinsider
Oliver Darcy
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.........Let me just mention briefly one threat in particular that should concern all Americans, Clinton said at an event honoring outgoing Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid. Democrats, Republicans, and independents alike especially those who serve in our Congress.
Clinton said it was now clear the epidemic of malicious fake news and false propaganda could have real-world consequences.
This isnt about politics or partisanship, she said. Lives are at risk. Live of ordinary people just trying to go about their days to do their jobs, contribute to their communities.
Clinton continued: Its a danger that must be addressed and addressed quickly. Bipartisan legislation is making its way through Congress to boost the governments response to foreign propaganda and Silicon Valley is starting to grapple with the challenge and threat of fake news.
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Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-fake-news-trump-election-2016-12
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Perfect captioning.
3:52 PM - 8 Dec 2016
https://twitter.com/Bros4Hillary/status/806979891019161600
shraby
(21,946 posts)Fox News is the granddaddy of fake news, and was never adequately addressed because it also served as the propaganda arm of the GOP.
GreydeeThos
(958 posts)Rush Limbaugh has been polluting the AM band with disinformation for 25 years.
JudyM
(29,204 posts)TwilightZone
(25,428 posts)It opened the door for Facebook, et al, to become echo chambers for the chronically fact-challenged.
volstork
(5,399 posts)But who is "they?"
Who will/should be tasked with shutting down fox and conservative talk radio?
What actions can we as individuals take (other than boycotting sponsors) to hasten the demise of these poisonous institutions?
Nwgirl503
(406 posts)Limbaugh, Jones, Briebart, Infowars, Fox, 90% of the shit CNN and other networks spew. When these "sources" are the only source some people have, someone has to stand up and call it out. On a global level. Where are the nefarious backers Clinton supposedly had? For someone who had the reach she was supposed to have had, I'm disappointed that these outlets have had such control of the narrative.
certainot
(9,090 posts)in 1987, and the right started buying up all the loudest radio stations in the country and put guys like limbaugh on them.
talk radio is what made fox, and now trump, possible
they put carnival barkers on every corner and stump in the country yelling at liberals that their sisters were whores, their brothers thieves and their ideas treasonous. the left liberals dems responded by beginning a 30- year period of covering their ears and walking by, ignoring it while a few hundred dipshits hiding behind call screeners kicked our ass over and over.
fox is the visual icing on the lie turd pie of talk radio. it can't do the unnoticed unchallenged repetition needed to sell the alternate reality that made trump possible. take the millions of illegal voters lie. they've been using non existent voter fraud lies big time since 2000 to sell their voter suppression but ramped it up this summer to say 2mil illegal aliens were getting drivers licenses from obama and dems so they could vote. why the fuck doesnt the dem party know that and why didn't they respond to it. and even after the fact why didn't dems in media respond to trump and hacks repeating the lie with something like "well, limbaugh's been saying that for months but it's a lie" etc.
thirty years of that and now there's fake news on the internet? guess what- on nov 29 limbaugh assaulted net neutrality explaining trump needs to end it because it allows govt to control the internet!!! him saying it means trump is planning it. limbaugh's imbecile audience knows he means liberal big govt so they'll help by screaming at their reps when it comes up. he explained, like he did 20 yrs ago to deregulate media, that competition will lower prices! and they'll believe him because the left has no clue what those stations are screaming all day, don't care, give it a free speech free ride, and ignore it while it kicks their ass.
hillary called it a vast rw conspiracy and everyone laughed at her
and still there is no organized response, with purists hammering away on their tenth made-by-slave-labor computing device in 2 years complaining about how their reps lost track of some of their unicorns and hillary and bill tried to make more than civil service money, looking at the prospect of SS protection the rest of their lives from dittoheads who thought they were running a child sex slave opertation under a pizza joint.
worse than that probably 1/3 of the 1200 or so stations kicking our ass, many of the loudest ones, depend on our university sports to attract advertising!
if you know any activists, groups, newspapers at those universities send them this:
xxxxxxx
Your school is on a list of 88 universities at republiconradio.org that broadcast sports on 257 of Rush Limbaughs 600 radio stations. They could also be called Trump radio stations.
Your university is not only mocking its own mission statement, it is undermining the interests of most of its students, faculty, employees, and surrounding communities.
That makes your own school a legitimate place to protest any issue related to the Trump agenda.
Many of those relationships began prior to the 90s, before they all began broadcasting propaganda for one party. There is no reason for those schools not to start looking for apolitical alternatives immediately.
The school administration will claim that it does not make business decisions based on politics.This is a question all those schools need to ask: If a radio station went to KKK programming would the university still let its mascot be used to sell a KKK agenda?
Those stations weigh in on elections for university regents and selection of administration including presidents and chancellors - is there a conflict of interest?
All of those stations will continue to deny global warming, deny reproductive rights to women, excuse racism and homophobia, and promote and excuse the Trump agenda. Republicans want to privatize public education, social security, and the post office. Their policies will raise college tuition. They want to reverse gains in health care reform. They want to end net neutrality. Those stations will be cheerleaders for the next war, as they were for the last one.
The station pays a licensing company a fee and the school gets a part of that. The station then gets to use the school logos, mascot, and community standing to attract advertising revenue. It gets to declare things like 850 KOA, home of the Buffs,and Rush Limbaugh! Compared with TV licensing revenue talk radio stations pay very little.
Advertising revenue is used to fund station operating costs and pay for the national and local talk show hosts that broadcast from them most of the day.
Except for occasional innocuous programming all of those stations operate exclusively for the benefit of the Republican Party. They are coordinated with national and state GOP and their allied think tanks
If Trump would pay $1000/hr for a radio ad, 1200 nationwide stations x 15hrs/day x 5 days/week are worth about $5BIL/yr FREE for Trump. 255 x $75,000 = $19,125,000/WEEK FREE for Trump, or about $1BIL/yr endorsed by institutions of higher learning.
Those stations, licensed to operate in the public interest, are heavily dependent on the schools they parasitize and they all:
- deny global warming and science
- use public airwaves to sell voter suppression legislation
- use and excuse racism, misogyny, homophobia, and hate to divide communities
- work to deny reproductive rights for women and access to contraception
- fight environmental regulation, push fracking, and always support fossil fuel solutions over renewables
- fight to defund and privatize public education, attack teachers and work to lower their salaries, attack their unions, push voucher solutions and standardized testing, and obstruct efforts to lower student debt
- fight efforts to increase minimum wage
- undermine the economic and environmental interests of their communities
- use public airways to repeat propaganda that is demonstrably false and continue to lie after being corrected
- use public airwaves but use call screeners to exclude dissenting callers
How much revenue does the licensing company pay for radio broadcasting portion compared to the TV portion? Could donors make up the difference if there is a monetary loss? If there is a loss, how does it compare with the harm it is doing to its own principles, funding, students, and surrounding communities?
Are they violating their 501c3 tax exempt status? Heres the IRS rule for political activity:
Political activity. - If any of the activities (whether or not substantial) of your organization consist of participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office, your organization will not qualify for tax-exempt status under section 501(c)(3). Such participation or intervention includes the publishing or distributing of statements.
No university has a good excuse not to reexamine its relationship with partisan radio stations and look for apolitical alternatives. If an existing contract cannot be voided without penalty, can donors be found to cover it?
Any university, state or private, supporting Republican talk radio is shooting itself in the foot, demeaning its mission statement and professed goals and values, and harming its students futures.
Here is that list of universities ($1000 x 15hrs/day x 5days = $75,000/week):
ALABAMA 8 $600,000 Auburn 3, Alabama 2, Southern Alabama 2, Troy 1
ARIZONA 1 $75,000 Arizona St. 1
ARKANSAS 3 $225,000 Arkansas 3
CALIFORNIA 5 $375,000 San Jose State 2, USC 2, Fresno St. 1
COLORADO 4 $300,000 Air Force 2, Colorado 1, Colorado State 1
CONNECTICUT 1 $75,000 Connecticut 1
FLORIDA 20 $1,500,000 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2
GEORGIA 14 $1,050,000 Georgia 7, Georgia Tech 5, Georgia Southern 2
IDAHO 7 $525,000 Boise St. 4, Idaho 3
ILLINOIS 7 $525,000 Illinois 7
INDIANA 11 $825,000 Notre Dame 6, Purdue 4, Indiana 1
IOWA 5 $375,000 Iowa 4, Iowa St. 1
KANSAS 4 $300,000 Kansas St. 2, Kansas 1, Wichita St. 1
KENTUCKY 3 $225,000 Louisville 2, Kentucky 1
LOUSIANA 3 $225,000 LSU 2, La.-Monroe 1
MARYLAND 2 $150,000 Maryland 2
MASSACHUSETTS 1 $75,000 Boston College 1
MICHIGAN 19 $1,425,000 Michigan St. 11, Michigan 7, Western Michigan 1
MINNESOTA 4 $300,000 Minnesota 4
MISSISSIPPI 6 Mississippi St. 3, Mississippi 2, Southern Miss 1
MISSOURI 6 $450,000 Missouri 6
NEBRASKA 6 $450,000 Nebraska 6
NEVADA 1 $75,000 Nevada 1
NEW JERSEY 2 $150,000 Rutgers 1, Seton Hall 1
NEW MEXICO 3 $225,000 New Mexico 2, New Mexico St. 1
NEW YORK 7 $525,000 Syracuse 6, Army 1
NORTH CAROLINA 16 $1,200,000 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2
OHIO 10 $750,000 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1
OKLAHOMA 5 $375,000 Oklahoma St. 3, Oklahoma 1, Oral Roberts 1
OREGON 12 $900,000 Oregon St. 7, Oregon 5
PENNSYLVANIA 14 $1,050,000 Penn St. 11, Pittsburgh 2, Temple 1
SOUTH CAROLINA 4 $300,000 South Carolina 2, Clemson 2
TENNESSEE 7 $525,000 Tennessee 4, Memphis 3
TEXAS 16 $1,200,000 Texas A&M 9, Texas Tech 4, Texas 1, Texas Christian 1, Baylor 1
UTAH 1 $75,000 Utah St. 1
VIRGINIA 6 $450,000 Virginia Tech 5, Virginia 1
WASHINGTON 6 $450,000 Washington 5, Washington St. 1
WEST VIRGINIA 2 $150,000 West Virginia 1, Marshall 1
WISCONSIN 5 $225,000 Wisconsin 5
There is no excuse for any school to support Trump radio.
lancelyons
(988 posts)I agree with most of what you say.
I am also blown away that democrats have stood and watched as this fake news continues all around them being powerless to do anything about it.
Normal media outlets dont waste time checking in on these or giving them time so they just keep getting spread.
Its amazing that a person like Hillary who has done alot of great things in service of the community and country yet you would think she was almost the second coming of the devil. Obama was devil the past 8 years.
What are we going to do?
The one thing we can do is VOTE and speak out.
certainot
(9,090 posts)and if he gets in then we have to do whatever we can to get house and senate in 2 years.
dems have to go on the offensive, do something different - gotv isn't enough
trump rode rw radio into the white house and it will be instrumental for doing everything they plan
anything trump can be protested at those universities. if dems get those unis talking about dropping their support for trump radio the gop will freak out, media will notice, and trump will lose its most important weapon
dems will get house and senate
riversedge
(70,092 posts)They came and went--I did not hear anything about it on the tube but might have missed it. I was alarmed at the time. Seems it is under the radar but I am sure it will raise its ugly head soon.
....thirty years of that and now there's fake news on the internet? guess what- on nov 29 limbaugh assaulted net neutrality explaining trump needs to end it because it allows govt to control the internet!!! him saying it means trump is planning it......................
certainot
(9,090 posts)here's from limbaugh's nov 29 show :
it's such a bunch of bullshit but he'll keep working it for months and sell it like they did media deregulation, electronic voting, and citizens united
limbaugh:
And while net neutrality may not be front and center today, it's going to be once Trump's inaugurated and his FCC starts fixing the things Obama broke.
What's gonna happen is, sometime down the road this net neutrality thing is gonna blow up, and you're say, "Yeah, yeah, I know about that. Rush talked about that a couple months ago." That is gonna be your reaction to it. Now, I don't want to spend a whole lot more time on this right now, but it is key because what we do here is expose the left. We deconstruct them and expose them. They are ruining this country, and they're doing it under the guise of transforming it and "modernizing" it and ridding it of the baggage of the founding.
It's horrible what they have been doing, and they have been doing it at every level of government and society and culture.
Net neutrality is a big deal to the left because it puts the government in charge of the internet. It puts the government in charge of content. It lets the government choose what you can watch and what you can't watch and what you pay for it. And that's bogus. In the name of competition, they want to take competition away from the net. They're leftists. They lie to you about what they want to do. And some of...
Like these little tech bloggers may even be dupes. They may not even know what they're doing. They just think they do. So when they talk about net neutrality promoting competition, who knows; they may actually think that it does. But it doesn't.
Net neutrality rules are anti-consumer and anti-competitive. By definition, liberals don't believe in competition, and you know that. Competition is the root of all evil, as far as leftists are concerned, 'cause there are winners and there are losers, and the losers are sad and disappointed, and that's unacceptable. So everything must be the same. Nobody can have more than anybody else.
Nobody should be able to offer anymore than anybody.
Nobody should have to pay more than anybody else. Nobody should make more than anybody else. Everything is supposed to be the same. It's the only way it's fair. It's the only way feelings don't get hurt. So when circumstances like that exist, they call that anti-competitive. Anti-competitive means they can't afford it.
But you are gonna be hearing about this because Trump is going to get rid of net neutrality. His FCC is gonna broom it. And when that happens, you're gonna hear caterwauling like you haven't heard caterwauling, right along the lines I have been describing. And when it happens you're gonna be able to say, "I know about this. Rush told me about this all the way back in December." Actually, November.
tenorly
(2,037 posts)The rest is just babbling from an usurper installed by computer hackers and foreign dictators.
True_Blue
(3,063 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)the problem has gone on to the next stage thanks to facebook, where a pizza parlor in DC has been terrorized by people thinking Hillary is running a satanic paedophilic sex temple there. Think I am joking?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2016/12/04/d-c-police-respond-to-report-of-a-man-with-a-gun-at-comet-ping-pong-restaurant/?utm_term=.301e5ccab3cc
sorry to say, while I love free speech, Zuckerburg may need to be taken to the woodshed.
PSPS
(13,580 posts)He has full control over what appears on his product (Facebook.)
xor
(1,204 posts)It is also a difficult line when it comes to determining what is considered harmful enough to be a candidate to be censored. Since any large site like facebook needs to have an army of people reviewing posts (even more if every post is reviewed), that means there needs to be some sort of clear cut rules for determining what is acceptable and what isn't. When I try to think of ways I would approach such a problem, I find it very difficult to come up with satisfactory ideas that would be effective.
And even if facebook/twitter/whatever did come up with a perfect solution to these problems, then something else will pop up to cater to them. In fact that's why there are several similar sites to facebook and twitter that have become popular among those types (gab.com ?I think?) So in those cases the only options would be to compel the hosting companies or ISPs providing internet connections to shut such sites down, but I don't see that being a viable or even ideal option.
I think the real problem is the people. Us. Why are people so willing to shutdown all critical thought? Is it stupidity? Pure hatred for "the other side"? Are we not teaching people how to think logically? I think we need to figure that out more than anything else. Everything else is just bandaid that doesn't address the real issue.
LisaM
(27,794 posts)I think this particular piece of nasty took hold on those two sites, though I think Reddit ultimately took down the thread.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for what they are, both individuals and individual media, whenever they appear. Make their names synonymous with lies so that others know and would be embarrassed to quote them.
Those still watching CNN and MSNBC might start identifying those appearing there, for instance and posting them here. Shows that give the lies of interviewees national exposure without calling them out. Identify dishonest "lying heads." I've read that CNN has also fake news purveyors on payroll as part of playing to a wide audience. Not that they call them that, of course.
Identify conscientious media and individuals who can be recommended to others.
JudyM
(29,204 posts)impacts our democracy, not (directly) our health. Broadcast licensing needs more robust terms, if masquerading as a news source there currently are no consequences.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)If we let this go on, its enemies will destroy our democratic republic, only a matter of time. We know that now.
rurallib
(62,387 posts)that is if I understood what he said correctly.
Among sites that have been accused of being fake news have been sites like dailykos and talkingpointsmemo. So who will police what is and what isn't fake?
Giving power to somehow adjudicate what is and isn't fake to a Trump administration would be giving them the power to control information.
Now they will try to do that anyway by distorting systems that are in place now.
If we give power to somehow judge what is fake, good guys will not always be the judges. As we have seen, the American public can be manipulated to vote against their best interests all the time.
LisaM
(27,794 posts)it was pretty roundly scoffed at (the report). It was comparing apples and oranges.
Indydem
(2,642 posts)But it keeps getting circulated as fact. Despite the fact there is no evidence to support it.
Ex: MIHOP, 2004 Ohio Hack, 2016 WI/MI/PA hack, Siegelman, etc.
Look for it to get shut down.
xor
(1,204 posts)I'd even say that fake news and it actually being something that cause real problems is just a symptom of a much larger issue.
Before the election I read a story posted on facebook that said it was a smoking gun to prove Hillary Clinton and Podesta had discussions in which they admitted to creating ISIS and funding it directly. That's pretty much exactly what the headline said. They then posted a small excerpt from the wikileak emails in which they claim were from Clinton and Podesta. They highlighted a small portion of the text which discussed funding of ISIS, but it didn't really say what they claimed. Then if you read the entire email from the wikileaks site, it became even more apparent that it didn't say what the article claimed. And that's even if you accept wikileaks email dump as a valid source (I find it questionable)
Despite these fact, there were people just running with it. Tens of thousands of comments from people who did not analyze or validate the information they were being given. They just accepted it because it fit what they wanted to hear. Trying to point this out was futile because it was either ignored, or attacked with irrelevant nonsense unrelated to subject. The fact people are unwilling to step back and look at things critically is the problem, and will continue to be the problem even if some how magically got rid of all fake news site on the internet.
diane in sf
(3,913 posts)population only 'won' this election through strategic cheating in a few key swing states by the Republican party. We need to address crooked, defective, hackable machines, crooked election officials like that witch in Waukesha County, Wisconsin, voter ID laws, Cross-Check, gerrymandering, machine and polling place shortages in Democratic areas, shortening of polling times and dates, discarding of mail-in and provisional ballots, etc.
The Repugs are doing everything they can to steal elections and the Democrats have not addressed this, even after the two bush sElections. To me this is an inexplicable outrage.
Why will the Democrats not tackle this stuff???!!!!!???????!!!!!
You would think they don't care if they win.
They may not, but as one of the peasants who's going to need my Social Security and Medicare, I care a lot.
A 50 state strategy on the part of the DNC would be a good start on addressing state level election fraud.
Baitball Blogger
(46,684 posts)riversedge
(70,092 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I want rules against news media malicious lying.
riversedge
(70,092 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)and a radio station and made sure it was accessible to every tv and radio... and pushed to have them broadcast to Armed Services and on tvs in waiting rooms...
lancelyons
(988 posts)Fake news has been around since Rush Limbaugh and earlier including Fox News.
These guys have been peddling conspiracy theories and fake (unverified) news for years and have millions of Americans brain washed. In addition, Farleigh Dickinson University did a study and found that Feaux news viewers were less informed than folks that watched no news at all.
[link:http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/01/30/does_watching_fox_news_make_you_less_informed.html|
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)People just need to realize that Jason from Facebook isn't a reliable source.
Justice
(7,185 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)riversedge
(70,092 posts)I missed this yesterday.
Pope Warns Media Over Sin Of Spreading Fake News, Smearing Politicians
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pope-blasts-sin-of-fake-news_us_58484584e4b08c82e8892eb2
Spreading Disinformation is the greatest damage that the media can do.
12/07/2016 12:33 pm ET
Stefano Rellandini / Reuters
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Pope Francis speaks as he leads a consistory ceremony to install 17 new cardinals in Saint Peters Basilica at the Vatican November 19, 2016.
Media that focus on scandals and spread fake news to smear politicians risk becoming like people who have a morbid fascination with excrement, Pope Francis said in an interview published on Wednesday.
Francis told the Belgian Catholic weekly Tertio that spreading disinformation was probably the greatest damage that the media can do and using communications for this rather than to educate the public amounted to a sin.
Using precise psychological terms, he said scandal-mongering media risked falling prey to coprophilia, or arousal from excrement, and consumers of these media risked coprophagia, or eating excrement.
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I think the media have to be very clear, very transparent, and not fall into - no offence intended - the sickness of coprophilia, that is, always wanting to cover scandals, covering nasty things, even if they are true, he said.
And since people have a tendency towards the sickness of coprophagia, a lot of damage can be done.......................
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Cha
(296,868 posts)riversedge
(70,092 posts)Hillary Clinton calls fake news 'an epidemic' with real world consequences
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/politics/hillary-clinton-fake-news-epidemic/index.html?sr=fbCNN120916hillary-clinton-fake-news-epidemic1215AMStoryLink&linkId=32124804
By Dan Merica, CNN
Updated 8:00 AM ET, Fri December 9, 2016
How did 'pizzagate' inspire violence?
................"After a few weeks of taking selfies in the woods I thought it would be a good idea to come out," Clinton joked. "And I am very grateful to Harry for inviting me to be part of this celebration."
Clinton heralded Reid, who is retiring after first being elected in 1986, as a man who never lost his touch with his hard-scrabble home in rural Nevada.
"No matter how high he rose here in Washington," Clinton said, "he never lost touch with the people and values he grew up with back in Searchlight."
Correction: An earlier version of this story incorrectly reported that Hillary Clinton spoke with the owner of Comet Ping Pong. They have not spoken.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)I wish people weren't so juvenile and petty, but...