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Blue Shoes

(220 posts)
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 03:30 PM Dec 2016

Wisconsin recount is done, needs certification

Source: Washington Post

Wisconsin’s presidential recount has been completed and the state Elections Commission planned to vote Monday on certifying the results.

Republican Donald Trump’s margin of victory had decreased by just 25 votes with nearly all the ballots recounted. The final tally will be revealed once the recount is certified.

The recount began Dec. 1 after Green Party candidate Jill Stein requested and paid for it. Her attempts to get recounts in Michigan and Pennsylvania were blocked in court.

Stein suggested without evidence that voting machines in the three states could have been hacked.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-walker-says-wisconsin-recount-proves-legitimacy/2016/12/12/402c1222-c098-11e6-a52b-a0a126eaf9f7_story.html?utm_term=.8a5cd07e3889



No signs of major fraud. People were actually just dumb enough to vote for Trump.
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ananda

(28,859 posts)
3. No sign of major fraud -- says who?
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 03:32 PM
Dec 2016

And how did they recount this vote?

Not by hand. And not in the presence of
enough monitors to keep them from counting
Trump votes twice.

tenorly

(2,037 posts)
6. Exactly.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 03:41 PM
Dec 2016

It is, as Jill Stein put it, like going to the same doctor for a second opinion. Without a thorough, forensic check of the voting and tabulation devices, we'll never know what happened - which is just as Governor SKoch-sucker wants it.

Blue Shoes

(220 posts)
8. It was a hand recount to my knowledge
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 03:49 PM
Dec 2016

Also it says in the article 95% of votes were recounted, making it almost statistically impossible for Hillary to win. I think we just need to accept the fact people voted this way; for the dumbest candidate imaginable.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
10. Glad to hear you have so much faith in the hackable voting machines.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 04:14 PM
Dec 2016

The "recount" consisted of asking the same machines to repeat their results. Total BS. The purpose of electronic voting machines (and make no mistake, they were introduced for one and only one reason) is to provide a very hackable way to manipulate the vote.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
12. It's extremely difficult to hack machines not connected to the internet.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:36 PM
Dec 2016

The WI machines are not connected to the internet, or to each other. To manipulate them, someone would have to physically access them.

WI also has a standard post-election audit procedure, in which 100 precincts are chosen at random and carefully examined.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/25/recount-would-have-move-quickly/94417686/

UW-Madison's Burden said hacking Wisconsin's voting machines would be extremely difficult because they are not connected to the internet.

"They would have to go machine by machine around the state," he said of those who would try to manipulate the results.

Hacking of election systems is a genuine concern, but the results would be unlikely to be affected, Burden said. A more realistic risk is that hackers could steal personal information from voter rolls or deactivate the registrations of voters, he said.

scipan

(2,350 posts)
18. Software patches. The election information (loaded to each machine)
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:15 PM
Dec 2016

containing the candidates, etc.

scipan

(2,350 posts)
17. No, it was not a complete hand recount.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:11 PM
Dec 2016

Milwaukee County and Waukesha County, among others, just put the votes thru the optical scanners again.

Here is a list of the types of recounts by county from the Wisconsin Bd of Elections.
http://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/files/story/county_presidential_recount_cost_estimates_and_rec_85247.pdf

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
11. No, his primary goal (according to US intelligence) was to install Trump.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 04:15 PM
Dec 2016

He has so far succeeded.

He probably would have preferred we didn't catch on at all.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
13. This.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:40 PM
Dec 2016

A verification of a critical vote shouldn't cost an extra $3.5 million, especially if the same arcane county by county processes are used for verification. This comes on top of vote suppression tactics that reduced Black vote totals in Milwaukee County compared to 2012. If Dems and the whole left don't fight these tactics, they will be replicated in your state next. Already, Repugs have found and exploited weak links to get their tiny margins. Better keep up the fight!!!

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
15. To hell with Jill Stein.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 11:52 PM
Dec 2016

The bottom line is that her roughly 30k vote total exceeded Trump's margin of victory of approximately 22k.

Nothing she does now absolves her of what happens during the next four years.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
16. I cannot believe that such a disparate process did not result in more error
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 10:30 AM
Dec 2016

Did the precincts with more monitors find more errors?

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