Aleppo battle: Rebels burn Syria evacuation buses

[oberliner]

Source: BBC

Several buses sent to transport the sick and injured from two government-held villages in Syria's Idlib province have been burned by rebels.

The attack apparently halted the latest efforts to evacuate besieged areas.

Pro-government forces say people must be allowed to leave the mainly Shia villages of Foah and Kefraya for the evacuation of east Aleppo to restart.

State media said convoys began to leave Aleppo on Sunday but other reports said they turned back

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38358177

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Are these the good rebels or the bad rebels?

[pangaia]

1. Good question.

[shadowmayor]

2. Ruh Roh Raggy

This does not fit with the "approved" narrative.

[oberliner]

4. Every narrative appears to be a lie

It seems impossible to get reliable information about what is really going on.

[AngryAmish]

14. This is reliable about Syria

Every side there sucks. They are not like us.

[oberliner]

15. How does one respond to the questions then?

When people ask: How can we let this happen in Syria? What is the answer? What should we do to prevent it?

[AngryAmish]

16. Well, arming and supporting every side is something we should not have done.

Especially arming the cannibals. Bad move.

Something's happen over which we cannot stop. Mourn the dead and make sure no American blood and treasure is wasted.

We cannot win over there.

[redwitch]

3. Jesus.

Are there any good guys left?

Aid convoys, hospitals, and now evacuation buses, nothing is sacred.

[oberliner]

5. It seems like these are the bad rebels

The good rebels have condemned them for this.

[Devil Child]

6. There are no good rebels

Despite the narrative of noble democracy loving Western-values cherishing freedom fighters trying to liberate Syria from dictatorship, this is a falsehood no matter how much our media says otherwise. There are no good rebels and each faction (government included) involved in Syria has their hands covered in blood.

[oberliner]

7. Didn't Obama back the Free Syrian Army?

I thought they were supposed to be the good rebels.

[Devil Child]

8. US government backs the FSA

Direct support is being provided to the Free Syrian Army, New Syrian Army, and Syrian Democratic Forces. Other groups have been funded, for Example the CIA training and equipping Harakat Hazzm before they dissolved. There are countless other groups being indirectly supported by the US through Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and remaining Gulf States.

Again I assert there are no "good" rebels as even our cherished FSA has committed many human rights abuses or outright acts of terror. Civilians have been victimized, abused, killed by all rebel groups in addition to the Syrian government and their supporting factions.

[HoneyBadger]

11. Fish swim and rebels rebel

No guarantee that either with be with the same group tomorrow. Depends on what alliance or trade happens tonite.

[Lulu KC]

19. Thank you for explaining this

I have been too distracted to start looking at this in adequate detail.

[Devil Child]

21. you're welcome n/t

[Igel]

23. The Guardian, I think it was, had an article recently.

It was self-serving in its claim, but accepting it as fairly accurate has no current implications so it's a harmless claim to entertain.

The claim was simple: The rebels/etc. in Aleppo were good guys and ran things well; they'd planned for it in traditional revolutionary style, had people in place and when they marched in the Assad-folk were taken by surprise when the revolutionaries' allies turned away from Assad.

Then, perhaps 2 years later (2013 is the year mentioned, IIRC) Nusrah and other Islamists had moved in and wound up taking over. Part was because of internal conflict over the nasty-bad-nasty American support for some groups over others and the greed, corruption, and power-grasping that followed. Part was just Islamism. So that the bad Islamist guys not the good "liberals" were in charge.

So their claim is that there were good rebels. But not now. It's one of those "the revolution was subverted" narratives that are common when revolutions go astray and those who supported them need to continue to feel good about themselves and their goals or that of their forefathers. In 1991 Lenin was good, but others subverted the "good Lenin" (you know, the good Lenin that re-opened Kolyma, the worst of the tsarist prison camps, because he needed the gold and gems it would produce?). Same for a lot of other revolutions that go bad, from Angola to Egypt to Venezuela to Zimbabwe.

If it was The Guardian, it makes sense--The Guardian supported the rebels, but now that it's clear that they're just as bad as Assad The Guardian needs to guard its own but (and let's not quibble over that--perhaps they're worse, perhaps they're not quite as bad).

[Still In Wisconsin]

9. Just. Fucking. Why?

No words.

[AngryAmish]

17. Why? If there not enough civilians to hide among all the rebels will be raped and murdered

This will make Tamerlane's visit to Syria seem tame.

[democrank]

10. My heart breaks for all those trying to get out of that hell hole.

Seems as though nothing is too barbaric, too savage, too brutal, too horrific anymore.

[Wolf Frankula]

12. But. But. But.

These are the MODERATES. There are NO moderates in Syria. Time to get out completely.

Wolf

[WestSeattle2]

13. There are no "good guys" in this catastrophe

[oberliner]

20. That is one weird website with some seriously bizarre videos

Storm Clouds Gathering?

It appears to be one anonymous and paranoid dude.

[WestSeattle2]

22. He has plenty of company - including members of Congress

http://theantimedia.org/congresswoman-us-arming-isis/?utm_source=br&utm_medium=repost&utm_campaign=brsep

[Lulu KC]

18. I've gone over the edge

My first thought is that Syria is doing it and making it seem to be the rebels. Everything is upside down and inside out.